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Old 06-18-2016, 02:05 PM   #76
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Yes, we could argue that the top four trainers dont need it either for E4. This is a want.
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Old 06-18-2016, 02:40 PM   #77
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There are like 800 pokémon. You do not need Megas to run a gym.
By this logic, may as well not let gym leaders use Mega's at all. You should really give actual discussion instead of just saying "this is bad" because that's kind of useless.

Also. Clearly you guys are forgetting about the Water type, which is far more versatile than the Dragon-type in Pokemon selection, with arguably fewer crippling weaknesses. Also, easiest arena advantage. And the move-pool argument doesn't hold, due to there being a lot of good water types with titanic pools. Did I mention variety? I would claim that the ability of using either M-zard or M-amp would not break Dragon gym. But that's just from my limited experience.
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Old 06-18-2016, 02:52 PM   #78
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Hi everyone.

We already fought about this once before and we really don't need to fight about it again.

There is no pressing need to have off-type Megas exist in Gyms and bending rules to make it less broken starts to push the point of Gym themes.

So sorry, no, we're not changing it.
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Old 06-18-2016, 02:53 PM   #79
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Can you quote a reason for why it wasn't allowed in the first place? Because that's not really addressing what makes it bad. I'd like something a little more explicit.
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Old 06-18-2016, 03:00 PM   #80
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The biggest issue is that you can end up dragging Pokémon in that don't carry the type, which is really bad for balance. Even if they might gain it through Mega Evolution, allowing it forces us to go in and break another rule for balance.

If we allow it and don't change anything, you can end up never Mega Evolving it and have an off-type Pokémon in your Gym squad. If we allow it and force them to Mega, it significantly changes the mechanic of Megaing. The cleanest solution that prevents balance issues or creating new, special mechanics for Gyms that toy with a core mechanic is to just ban it straight out.

Type Gyms have plenty of useful Pokémon that you can build a solid squad with. You do not need type-added Megas to run any Gym.
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Old 06-18-2016, 03:05 PM   #82
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Not the rental, the mega portion lol
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Old 06-18-2016, 03:06 PM   #83
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Type Gyms have plenty of useful Pokémon that you can build a solid squad with. You do not need type-added Megas to run any Gym.
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Old 06-18-2016, 03:06 PM   #84
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Yes, we could argue that the top four trainers dont need it either for E4. This is a want.
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Old 06-18-2016, 03:10 PM   #85
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And I have no reason to grant you the want.

The E4 is an entirely different ballgame. We limit ourselves to a set team of 6 that is publicly posted which allows you to effectively strategize against it. I don't mind bending the rules a little there since it gives the E4 members at least a bit of a leg up in a situation that is otherwise tipped heavily out of their favor.

So we're going to stop talking about this because it's an unproductive conversation.

I'm sorry you can't have your Charizard X in your Dragon Gym but there are two other perfectly feasible Gyms that 'Zard can fit into.
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Old 06-18-2016, 03:20 PM   #86
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The biggest issue is that you can end up dragging Pokémon in that don't carry the type, which is really bad for balance. Even if they might gain it through Mega Evolution, allowing it forces us to go in and break another rule for balance.

If we allow it and don't change anything, you can end up never Mega Evolving it and have an off-type Pokémon in your Gym squad. If we allow it and force them to Mega, it significantly changes the mechanic of Megaing. The cleanest solution that prevents balance issues or creating new, special mechanics for Gyms that toy with a core mechanic is to just ban it straight out.

Type Gyms have plenty of useful Pokémon that you can build a solid squad with. You do not need type-added Megas to run any Gym.
Thank you for expanding on your response; I'm not really upset with that decision, and honestly I pretty strongly agree with it. I was mostly unhappy with the fact that there wasn't a lot of discussion beyond "let's not do this" from everything I saw. Much appreciated!
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Old 06-30-2016, 11:31 PM   #87
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Can we please take the majority of the infatuation stuff out of the Attract descript and put it in a separate thing like a status while clarifying different things: effects, how it dissipates, and what factors go into how it sticks.

Also if we can find a way to make a little more decent than what it is that would be great. But Infatuation is confusing for many people so I figured I should bring this up.
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Old 07-01-2016, 03:31 AM   #88
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Old 11-16-2016, 02:25 PM   #89
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Can we please make Realistic matches exhibition only?
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Old 11-16-2016, 06:39 PM   #90
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I support this. We've made exhibs an actual thing now, and Realistic really fits into that kind of description.
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Old 11-16-2016, 06:57 PM   #91
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I shall now post in an LO thread saying I don't like the idea.
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Old 11-16-2016, 09:33 PM   #92
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If it allows death to exist, I support this change.
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Old 11-21-2016, 10:15 PM   #93
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It is now finally conclusively proven that they can possess anything.

LOs have the power of approval or disapproval, so no Rotom-House, and we have sig court for slipups.

I'm not seeing it in the rules so it may have been resolved and unbanned while I wasn't paying attention, but I think it's time for custom formes. You choose the type and you give it 1 move of that type. Easy and standardized.
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Old 11-21-2016, 10:42 PM   #94
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Old 11-24-2016, 07:05 PM   #95
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Suggestion to open a thread, akin to the one on exhaustion, dedicated to the realistic debate At this point, I feel there should be an intelligent community-wide discussion on the matter, seeing as how divisive it is proving to be. IMO, there's little point in delaying it further, unless there's going to be explicit confirmation that the system as it stands is not and will not change in the near future.
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Old 11-24-2016, 07:54 PM   #96
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The only real divisive aspect of it is people trying to piss me off. Make realistic exhibition only, maintain that TL1/2 trainers may not participate in them, make them only able to be referees by B grade referees. Ban death. Done.

Most of the debate wasn't even really in serious tone. It only got serious when I decided to indulge a little. At least that's how I read it.
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Old 11-24-2016, 09:59 PM   #97
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But Cibbir, you're not an LO =]
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Old 11-24-2016, 10:32 PM   #98
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I'm sorry Connor but I do strongly oppose the idea of Realistic being Exhib only. It really is one of those things where if we make that the case 90% of Exhibs will end up being just that because people want to be edgelords and brutalize opposing 'mon. I honestly think we just need to better train people on Realistic and allow it to be a proper thing in the right place and time. It makes certain things just that much more and frankly we've been at a stage for a while now where people know that Realistic isn't "I'm going to chop off your leg" and have it work every time. That said, I'm completely with you on the death bit. It's just completely unlikely to even happen anyway and allowing it is just a way to have people try to force it.

Honestly just make it a part of the ref test and call it a day, and if we come to Evals just make sure to test anyone coming up towards B (or A in the new system) on a short test of things for Realistic and make a judgement call. It's really not that hard.

Speaking of grades and such, what's going on with that bit where we add the S grade and split up C?
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Old 11-24-2016, 10:53 PM   #99
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Let's avoid clogging this thread by going to The thread where you nerds were supposed to talk about that literally months ago.
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Old 11-25-2016, 05:09 AM   #100
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If we are that bothered about Realistic I am willing to go away and write some sort of a more up to date guide (even though honestly for the most part Kuno's is genuinely okay). It would be a back burner project since I have other shit on my plate right now and I'd like to prioritise the Reed write up over that, but I'm willing as much as I have come to dislike Realistic.
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