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Old 08-06-2016, 11:30 AM   #76
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Regular Aggron is actually kind of mediocre.
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Old 08-06-2016, 03:36 PM   #77
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Regular Aggron is actually kind of mediocre.
Yes but we encountered this problem last time. Having the nerf only kick in when it mega evolved was seen as an issue although I guess it could work. I think we should at least give Mega Aggron the nerf and if there are complications we come back here and work out how to fix it.
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Old 08-06-2016, 06:15 PM   #78
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Clearly the nerf should kick in if the Aggron in question has its Mega Stone equipped as opposed to kicking in when it uses said stone.
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Old 08-06-2016, 11:50 PM   #79
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That's actually by far the easiest solution I can see. Damn, who would have thought all it would take for Zelphy to have good ideas is for him to leave?


I will say most of the mons being brought up in these posts 1000% do not need any help. Not gonna go into huge detail unless people really want me to but I feel most of these are harmful to balance of the mon in question or simply unnecessary.
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Old 08-07-2016, 02:48 AM   #80
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I'm sorry but that is kinda a massive kick in the dick to regular Aggron in the few situations where one would actually want to use it. Frankly if you use any type energy before Mega and then proceed to, it shouldn't be ratios or whatever crap people seem to want to suggest. You used what you used.
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Old 08-07-2016, 03:24 AM   #81
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I'm sorry but that is kinda a massive kick in the dick to regular Aggron in the few situations where one would actually want to use it. Frankly if you use any type energy before Mega and then proceed to, it shouldn't be ratios or whatever crap people seem to want to suggest. You used what you used.
This is true since if your Aggron can mega evolve, you are running a pretty big risk not mega evolving since you have two 3x weaknesses your opponent could hit. I would be fine with Mega Aggron getting the nerf and leaving it off regular Aggron, however if it turns out there is problems we will likely have to drag it back in here.
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Old 08-07-2016, 05:08 AM   #82
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I feel like it's worth mentioning that we didn't give Psychic familiarity to Venomoth not because 'we gave it to Butterfree' but because it's a Pokemon that absolutely has no need for it. It is already a very strong pick and being quite blunt about it I'm not sure Venomoth deserves it based on anime appearance although I could be wrong, whereas Butterfree has been shown using some sort of Psychic move in if I remember most appearances and blatantly needs the help.
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Old 08-07-2016, 05:13 AM   #83
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Yes but when is anyone that isn't tl1 or 2 going to use butterfree? Venomoth is at tl3 and could probably play up against 4 and 5's if used well. We have given Familiarity to plenty of things that havent needed the help.
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Don't forget Butterfree's total lack of attack power.
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Can we please give Mega Absol like, a Mantine/Gilgar-esque gliding ability, if we're still for some reason opposed to outright flight? The thing has huge bloody wings all of a sudden it should be able to do something with them.
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Can we please give Mega Absol like, a Mantine/Gilgar-esque gliding ability, if we're still for some reason opposed to outright flight? The thing has huge bloody wings all of a sudden it should be able to do something with them.
Are they actual wings or are they aesthetic? Anime evidence is needed
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Old 08-07-2016, 03:43 PM   #87
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Old 08-07-2016, 03:45 PM   #88
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Sorry why would we give Mega Absol flight?
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Old 08-07-2016, 03:47 PM   #89
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Sorry why would we give Mega Absol flight?
Mostly because it has wings.
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Sorry why would we give Mega Absol flight?
Iunno why do we allow Dunsparce to fly more than a couple feet off the ground?

I'm just saying it should be at least able to glide to some extent, even if not incredibly well.
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Old 08-07-2016, 03:51 PM   #92
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Dragonair can fly in the anime tho
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Old 08-07-2016, 03:55 PM   #94
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Yeah I mean this is it isn't it. Mega Absol hasn't flown in the animé. So.

Why would we give it flight?

(Or gliding or whatever.)

If you want to extend into wider reasons such as why do we give anti grav to Dunsparce (which has been shown to fly) or Dragonair (which has been shown to fly) then we can do. Hell we can talk about Buizel (which has, for some reason, been shown to fly) if you like.

Does Mega Absol actually need the help? No. Does anything in game or in Pokédex actually imply that it can fly? No. Does Mega Absol have actual bonefied these have been shown to be wings wings? No.

Why would we give it flight?
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Old 08-07-2016, 03:56 PM   #95
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At most the gliding will be added length to jumps. None of the "basically flight" gliding of Mantine and Gligar
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Yeah I mean this is it isn't it. Mega Absol hasn't flown in the animé. So.

Why would we give it flight?

(Or gliding or whatever.)

If you want to extend into wider reasons such as why do we give anti grav to Dunsparce (which has been shown to fly) or Dragonair (which has been shown to fly) then we can do. Hell we can talk about Buizel (which has, for some reason, been shown to fly) if you like.

Does Mega Absol actually need the help? No. Does anything in game or in Pokédex actually imply that it can fly? No. Does Mega Absol have actual bonefied these have been shown to be wings wings? No.

Why would we give it flight?
So we can kill Lugias. Duh

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Maybe instead of gliding it could have midair maneuvering Mario style?
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Old 08-07-2016, 04:00 PM   #98
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Idk ASB is weird we're definitely more conservative on gravity than the animé where it doesn't really hinder anyone from doing... anything.

I don't particularly care whether we give Mega Absol flight I just don't thing we should set the precedent of giving it to things because they look a bit like they have flying apparatus.
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Old 08-07-2016, 04:00 PM   #99
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Lugia squash puny Absol

(Also did we not kill Buizel helicopter tail?)
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The difference there is that Buizel is mediocre and probably could stand to get the thing it has been shown in the animé to do. Where Mega fucking Absol is one of the best Pokémon in the entire game and has not been shown to levitate at all.

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