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Old 02-20-2016, 08:37 AM   #1
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Galvantula EU my! Referendum Discussion Thread

So, Britain will be voting on whether to stay in the EU or not, the contest happening on June 23rd.

What should we do? Why should we stay/leave? How will you vote?

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Old 02-20-2016, 08:47 AM   #2
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I'll be voting to stay in.

Because if Mr Cameron says Scotland can't survive on its own, what chance does the UK have ditching Europe and trying to strike it out on its own? We'd just end up a shittier little America.
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Old 02-20-2016, 03:37 PM   #4
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I'll be voting to remain. Northern Ireland would be worse off without the EU, especially as it provided a lot of funding for the peace process. I agree that it needs considerable democratic reform however.

However, my biggest reason for doing so is that if we stay, the Daily Mail may spontaneously combust.
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The theory behind the EU is a mixture of cute and cool. The EU in practice is a smaller, just-as-ineffectual UN at best, a horribly corrupt, dangerous machine at worst.

I think Britain ought to remain a part of a European Union. I don't think you guys should stay a part of this EU.
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Old 02-23-2016, 07:25 PM   #7
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I'll be voting to stay. The EU's initial purposes were (so far as I know) to force a continent that had been at almost constant war since the Roman Empire to resolve its differences diplomatically in future, and particularly to counter nationalism after it caused two world wars. Add in that it's the best way for us to wield any significant influence on the world anymore and I think those goals are - in the absence of a better solution - well worth keeping the EU for, regardless of the fact that it does have numerous major problems.
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Old 02-23-2016, 10:56 PM   #8
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We discussed this in my international politics class yesterday. We all laughed at Boris. Even the Americs know he's stupid.

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Old 02-24-2016, 05:22 AM   #9
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The problem is he really isn't. The buffoon thing is likable public persona, he's got more political savvy than almost any other British politician today. Alongside Gove (who while not holding much sway with the public is well known to be really bright) and that's a really potent pairing on the Leave side.

(Even Trump isn't actually stupid so much as crazy and racist).
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If Britain withdraws from the EU, does Scotland withdraw from GB?
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Old 02-26-2016, 07:17 AM   #11
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It'd be a step in that direction but not a straight up one therefore the other. For one thing how much more pro-EU than the country as a whole Scotland is gets exaggerated. Secondly there's the question of whether enough of sort of people who really care about it are also people who voted No last time but could be persuaded. A lot of pro-EU voters will already have voted leave. Others will be firm unionists. Polling also puts support slightly down from what polling did at referendum time (albeit both put it above the actual Yes vote in the referendum because people get more reluctant to change in the ballot box).

Short version; a leave vote doesn't guarantee an independence win, and the SNP knows a second failed referendum would kill it for a generation so won't risk it until they're damn sure.
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I'm a little late to the discussion, but I'm definitely voting for us to stay in. I feel like the benefits membership of the EU provides the UK with vastly outweigh any negatives. A lot of the arguments for leaving feel kind of outdated, irrelevant, or unnecessary.

Or just straight xenophobic, really.
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lol. Not on the distribution list, but I'll be voting that way. Mainly because the Leave campaign sounds like a pile of shit and uncertainty with wayyy too much hypothetical benefits and too many almost definite drawbacks. Plus they have a bunch of idiots leading the campaign.
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Old 06-04-2016, 12:48 PM   #15
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Not long to go now! How are people feeling?

I've been spending a good clutch of weekends/evenings pounding pavements trying to muster support for Remain, it's interesting hearing why different people want to stay/leave. London seems to be leaning heavily in favour of staying. What about your patches?
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Old 06-04-2016, 05:08 PM   #16
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idk. I think the general consensus up my way is 'Stay' because of varying reasons, mainly because when it comes down to it, people don't want to risk the worst-case scenario if we leave.

Personally, firmly in the Remain camp because leaving the EU is political suicide. And possibly actual suicide.
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Old 06-07-2016, 07:22 AM   #17
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I'm somewhat convinced we are going to vote Leave. This may well be because I've been back up north for maybe a day or so and already basically everyone I know wants to leave EU, but still. It'll be interesting to see how things go. I think we should stay but should also be badgering arseholes until the EU as a whole is rebuilt from the ground because the current iteration needs a hell of a lot of work to actually function in the way it should.
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Not to say that we definitely won't leave, but leave had a similar lead in the polls during the immediate run-up to the Scottish independence referendum too. Remain won than by about 10 percentage points. People tend to be more heavily status quo when actually casting their ballots. The Remain side is the one with the turnout problem so it's actually advantageous to them in a close referendum to appear slightly behind whilst registration is still open and then deploy their big guns alongside a "don't let us sleepwalk out by not turning up!" line.

The campaign by both sides has been completely awful though.
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Yeah the actual campaigning has done very little to actually explain to me what the points for and against are. I am basically voting off personal belief because I'm not even sure either campaign has actually informed me.
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See, most people I know think that the Leave campaign's somewhere between 'a bit unnecessary' and 'completely fucking stupid'. Nobody knows what the fuck's going to happen if we leave, but chances are we'll be no better off outside than inside.
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Old 06-07-2016, 12:34 PM   #21
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Both sides have been pretty crap it must be said.
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I am thoroughly sick of the discussion, it's been the same few pathetic points of rhetoric thrown at us for months.
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Both sides are running the shitty old Project Fear mentality.

Personally I'm voting to Leave because I frankly don't trust the words of a raving madman like Cameron.
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>raving madman
remind me who's backing the leave campaign again
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That is fairly hilarious it must be said.

But there are some actual crazies backing Remain so. My favourite is people who want to leave so that we can have mkre control of the border but deny that there would be any material impact on getting across the border.
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