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Old 11-06-2014, 06:11 PM   #1251
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Well one would assume that the opponent is only using whatever move you interrupt because they hope to gain something from it, so interrupt effects stop them gaining whatever they hoped to gain from it.

I don't object to your idea outright but they do do more than you give them credit for.
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Old 11-06-2014, 06:45 PM   #1252
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Yeah, Bulldoze totally needs a buff, right after we make Secret Power ranged again.
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Old 11-06-2014, 06:46 PM   #1253
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I wasn't speaking of things like Bulldoze that throw off aim or something like that, because they don't outright prevent moves from being executed, just to clarify.
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Old 11-06-2014, 06:50 PM   #1254
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I wasn't speaking of things like Bulldoze that throw off aim or something like that, because they don't outright prevent moves from being executed, just to clarify.
Bulldoze outright prevents moves from being executed by interrupting them.
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Old 11-07-2014, 07:55 AM   #1255
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Not all the time it doesn't.

Interrupt moves are, as Concept says, more useful than you give them credit.
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Old 11-08-2014, 01:41 AM   #1256
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Does "Bide if [typed] move comes" happen when the ordered to Bide Pokemon hear the opposing trainer's command, or see the opponent doing stuff that triggers the Bide? I'm in a bit of a tough position where this happened and I'm very much stuck.
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Old 11-08-2014, 11:43 PM   #1257
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How much control does a Pokemon have over the tendrils of Giga Drain once they're shot out? Would they be able to redirect their path slightly, or after their released do they simply go straight?
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Old 11-09-2014, 08:19 AM   #1258
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They'll go towards the target like any other move.
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Old 11-09-2014, 09:00 AM   #1259
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I guess what I'm trying to say is would a Pokemon that's not a Grass type be able to bend the tendrils around an object about the same size as the target akin to a Pokemon bending their vines to hit something around an object, or do they have a straight trajectory towards the target?
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Old 11-09-2014, 09:41 AM   #1260
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They're not going to be able to manipulate the attack to make it follow a foe, if that's what you mean. They might move to get a beetter line of sight but they won't be manipulating Giga Drain itself.
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Old 11-10-2014, 06:24 AM   #1261
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Does "Bide if [typed] move comes" happen when the ordered to Bide Pokemon hear the opposing trainer's command, or see the opponent doing stuff that triggers the Bide? I'm in a bit of a tough position where this happened and I'm very much stuck.
I wouldn't expect pokemon to pay much if any attention to what the opposing trainer is saying. For the record, I also wouldn't consider bide fast enough to be used to react to any but the slowest incoming moves in that fashion.
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Old 11-10-2014, 06:16 PM   #1262
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Can Swagger be successful if the victim can make out the red glow, but not the provocative movement?
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Old 11-10-2014, 09:20 PM   #1263
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I'd say it's less likely to succeed.
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Old 11-11-2014, 12:54 PM   #1264
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So like, the list in this thread hasn't been edited since 2010...perhaps fix that? :3
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Old 11-11-2014, 01:44 PM   #1265
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It's a tad out of date, will update. Dunno why it's claiming 2010 though, it contains several badges for gyms which didn't exist until late last year (Kairne's for one).
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If a Poison type uses Sludge Wave while they have Double Team clones active would their clones fade? Not sure how the whole STAB thing works with duel-type moves.
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Old 11-11-2014, 07:50 PM   #1267
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So would like an LO to look over the latest round since there were some... pretty heated discussion in Skype Chat over this.

Thanks in advance!
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Old 11-11-2014, 07:51 PM   #1268
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I personally really hate the strict interpretations of types when it comes to these kinds of things and think that these kinds of orders should probably never succeed.

But that's my opinion.
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Old 11-11-2014, 10:37 PM   #1269
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If a Poison type uses Sludge Wave while they have Double Team clones active would their clones fade? Not sure how the whole STAB thing works with duel-type moves.
I'd say probably.
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Old 11-12-2014, 03:00 AM   #1270
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I personally really hate the strict interpretations of types when it comes to these kinds of things and think that these kinds of orders should probably never succeed.

But that's my opinion.
Jeri apologies for butting in here but Sneaze's argument which I kinda agree with was that if a pokemon sees its opponent reaching for the ground it's going to panic and think it's a Ground attack.
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Old 11-12-2014, 08:28 AM   #1271
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That's waaaaaaay too exploitable and opens up a whole other can of worms.
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Old 11-12-2014, 08:31 AM   #1272
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Honestly I feel it's a can of worms that has been opened a few times now and instead of actually being addressed everyone just waits for them to slither back in so they can put the cap back on. Frankly, if it looks like a duck and it sounds like a duck, it should be assumed to be a duck, and in the case of defensive orders that are "if x type" the 'mon is not a walking encyclopedia and should probably execute said orders if they feel even remotely like what's about to happen might fulfill that if.
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Old 11-12-2014, 08:45 AM   #1273
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I'm just gonna post the other side of this, or at least my said, just so both ideas are here to Jeri's response. The way I see it, a simple kick at the ground, or motion towards it, isn't clear enough to give off a Ground move signal. In fact, I'd just have the Pokemon with the conditional order become confused because it isn't sure, not using Bide in this certain case, and having a delay on his other maneuver. My reasoning on this is while yes, there are many Ground moves that have a motion towards the ground, there are also many moves with this same motion that aren't ground types, like Mud Slap and and Natural Gift. To my understanding, a Pokemon won't initiate a conditional until it is 100% sure. In this case, it isn't sure, so there'd just be a somewhat large delay before it enacts the next part of its orders. I agree that the Mon isn't a walking encyclopedia, but having it simply become confused and delayed unless it sees the obvious glow or physical substance in the case of water moves, is currently considered a fair interpretation by some.

Once again, just want to put out there another interpretation of the current situation before a decision is made.

Edit: Is Sludge Wave rideable, and can liquidish Pokemon, like Grimer and Muk, ride this wave? Just want to get this officially recorded somewhere.
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Old 11-12-2014, 08:53 AM   #1274
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This wasn't even the main point of contention.

The main point of contention was whether a Pokemon is intelligent enough to interpret those orders, and decide whether or not to use Bide. Either it's smart enough to know the attack will fail and not use Bide, or it's dumb enough to not know that the move will fail and unable to tell what it is in advance so it'll use Bide (or not), or it's dumb enough to wait things out and realise that the conditions didn't trigger and go for the other if condition.

There needs to be some bloody consistency.
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Old 11-12-2014, 09:23 AM   #1275
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Yeah my point is less "we should let 'lolkicktheground' work as a thing" and more "it's a bloody Sand Attack (at the time, Ground type) and most 'mon aren't that intelligent from what we've been saying for some time now, so clearly it's not going to instantly know it won't work" especially with sigs and such existing, 'mon shouldn't be knowing the outcome of a move before it actually happens.
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