UPNetwork  

Go Back   UPNetwork > Independent Forums > PASBL > Referees Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-03-2017, 10:40 PM   #5676
Sneaze
I'm sorry, Talon :(
 
Sneaze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Sigs Hell
Posts: 5,682
Send a message via Skype™ to Sneaze
Quote:
Originally Posted by GX Prodigy View Post
Can dive be used to hit a levitating pokemon? As in diving under the water and coming out of the water with momentum to strike a levitating pokemon? Also, the pokemon using dive is a Water-Type.
Depends on both 'mon in question but either way it won't do full damage.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GX Prodigy View Post
Ok, would supersonic lose its effect if a pokemon is underwater? I am asking since sounds are muffled when underwater.
If used by the 'mon below water, not really. If used by the 'mon above water, depends on the depth of the water but usually only a small amount.
__________________
Wild Future - FizzBy
PASBL - Ghost Grass Gym Leader - Dragon Elite Four


Daisy wins at life for making this Battle Cut
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerichi View Post
Whatever Sneasel says is right
Sneaze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2017, 11:00 PM   #5677
GX Prodigy
Cascade Badge
 
GX Prodigy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 484
Is there a place where the flight ceilings of most pokemon are listed? If not, then can I get an estimate on the flight ceiling of "normal levitators" such as Bronzor, Bronzong, Staryu-line, Tynamo, Uxie, etc.

Edit: Nvm, found it here in glossary and terms, or is there a more updated place?
__________________

Last edited by GX Prodigy; 03-03-2017 at 11:11 PM.
GX Prodigy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2017, 01:07 PM   #5678
Sneaze
I'm sorry, Talon :(
 
Sneaze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Sigs Hell
Posts: 5,682
Send a message via Skype™ to Sneaze
Glossary is correct on that.
__________________
Wild Future - FizzBy
PASBL - Ghost Grass Gym Leader - Dragon Elite Four


Daisy wins at life for making this Battle Cut
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerichi View Post
Whatever Sneasel says is right
Sneaze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2017, 11:35 PM   #5679
Jerichi
本✚能
 
Jerichi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: 蒸気の波の中
Posts: 14,533
Specific Pokémon (levitators specifically) will also have flight ceilings listed in SCs if they deviate from the glossary.
__________________


気紛れを 許して 今更なんて思わずに急かしてよ
もっと中迄入って あたしの衝動を 突き動かしてよ

asbwffb

[jerichi]
Jerichi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2017, 01:42 PM   #5680
GX Prodigy
Cascade Badge
 
GX Prodigy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 484
Does Foresight negate the vision reduction effect of Smokescreen and Smog?
__________________

Last edited by GX Prodigy; 03-05-2017 at 08:50 PM.
GX Prodigy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-05-2017, 10:07 PM   #5681
Snorby
Snackin'
 
Snorby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 2,719
That- for some reason- comes down to discretion. Man, foresight really should be rewritten "among other effects" is stupidly vague. I'd definitely have it work that way though.
__________________

Click on Fawful for my ASB squad summary. Other links coming soon.
Snorby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2017, 10:07 AM   #5682
GX Prodigy
Cascade Badge
 
GX Prodigy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 484
Due to the fact that Light Screen reflects light based moves (with reduced effects and power) how would it interact with Foresight?
__________________
GX Prodigy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2017, 10:21 AM   #5683
Mew The Gato
Smile
 
Mew The Gato's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,702
Foresight covers the entire arena, it is not aimed at anything in particular. Light Screen would not really make a difference, I would say.
Mew The Gato is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2017, 10:55 AM   #5684
Snorby
Snackin'
 
Snorby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 2,719
Yeah light screen doesn't effect foresight given you aren't targeting the opponent with foresight that'd be like a screen affecting a flamethrower targeted to melt ice in the arena.
__________________

Click on Fawful for my ASB squad summary. Other links coming soon.
Snorby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2017, 02:03 PM   #5685
Sneaze
I'm sorry, Talon :(
 
Sneaze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Sigs Hell
Posts: 5,682
Send a message via Skype™ to Sneaze
That said I would probably make its reflective qualities have some minor effect, such as inducing the Foresight effects on the user for a round or two.
__________________
Wild Future - FizzBy
PASBL - Ghost Grass Gym Leader - Dragon Elite Four


Daisy wins at life for making this Battle Cut
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerichi View Post
Whatever Sneasel says is right
Sneaze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2017, 05:08 PM   #5686
GX Prodigy
Cascade Badge
 
GX Prodigy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 484
Quote:
Mismagius (Ghost): Mismagius will usually stay in the ethereal state but can switch to solid if required. Mismagius levitate by default. Mismagius use chants and spells to augment its abilities. At the cost of slightly more energy and more charge time, Mismagius can increase the strength and potency of their mind-altering attacks (e.g. Confuse Ray). They can be poisoned
What does this mean? Do they naturally have a 10% boost? Are moves that increase stats more effective (meaning slightly higher boosts)? I just need a little clarification.

Quote:
Mismagius (Ghost): Mismagius will usually stay in the ethereal state but can switch to solid if required. Mismagius levitate by default. Mismagius use chants and spells to augment its abilities. At the cost of slightly more energy and more charge time, Mismagius can increase the strength and potency of their mind-altering attacks (e.g. Confuse Ray). They can be poisoned
Would the SC cover Calm Mind and Psywave. Also, since Psybeam can confuse the target, would it be included as well?
__________________
GX Prodigy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2017, 05:28 PM   #5687
Snorby
Snackin'
 
Snorby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 2,719
The first sentence is a preface to the second one- its effect is stated in the second sentence. And it wouldn't affect calm mind nor would it affect the damage for Psybeam or Psywave. It would probably make Psywave's mental disorientation and Psybeam's confusion (if they occur) more potent. That's about it.
__________________

Click on Fawful for my ASB squad summary. Other links coming soon.
Snorby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2017, 05:56 PM   #5688
GX Prodigy
Cascade Badge
 
GX Prodigy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 484
However, the second part of the SC says

Quote:
"At the cost of slightly more energy and more charge time,'
Does that mean that in order for Psywave and Psybeam to have more potent effects, Mismagius would need to add more energy to the move? I'm asking because otherwise what you stated about the disorientation and confusion being more potent wouldn't apply and the potency of those moves would be the same as every other pokemon using those moves.

~~~

So Mismagius' SC only reliably works with Confuse Ray?
__________________
GX Prodigy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2017, 06:12 PM   #5689
Snorby
Snackin'
 
Snorby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 2,719
It's an optional thing- use it as normal or up the energy for stronger effects, your choice. Missy is stupid good as is the SC is mediocre for a reason
__________________

Click on Fawful for my ASB squad summary. Other links coming soon.
Snorby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2017, 06:50 PM   #5690
Sneaze
I'm sorry, Talon :(
 
Sneaze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Sigs Hell
Posts: 5,682
Send a message via Skype™ to Sneaze
There actually is precedence for upped damage on Psywave and such but is like, minor damage. It's mostly upping the disorientation and confusion.

There is also precedence for chanting allowing more control on Psywave ring count. Lots and lots of it.
__________________
Wild Future - FizzBy
PASBL - Ghost Grass Gym Leader - Dragon Elite Four


Daisy wins at life for making this Battle Cut
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerichi View Post
Whatever Sneasel says is right

Last edited by Sneaze; 03-10-2017 at 06:55 PM.
Sneaze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2017, 07:28 PM   #5691
Snorby
Snackin'
 
Snorby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 2,719
Oh yeah ring count makes sense. Kinda iffy on the damage I probably wouldn't boost it myself but I suppose I wouldnt say it's wrong *shrug*
__________________

Click on Fawful for my ASB squad summary. Other links coming soon.
Snorby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2017, 01:58 PM   #5692
GX Prodigy
Cascade Badge
 
GX Prodigy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 484
Are ghosts resistant to Confuse Ray? Is the move considered a curse?
__________________
GX Prodigy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2017, 02:12 PM   #5693
Trot Away
Espurrvasive
 
Trot Away's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Where I really don't belong.
Posts: 1,724
Ghost's are NOT resistant to confusion unless it's strictly stated or already have something that helps with preventing it. It's not a Curse either, but a mind-altering status.
Trot Away is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2017, 02:15 PM   #5694
Snorby
Snackin'
 
Snorby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 2,719
It is not a Curse. I probably wouldnt give ghosts any special resistance to it.
__________________

Click on Fawful for my ASB squad summary. Other links coming soon.
Snorby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2017, 02:40 PM   #5695
Mew The Gato
Smile
 
Mew The Gato's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,702
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snorby View Post
Oh yeah ring count makes sense. Kinda iffy on the damage I probably wouldn't boost it myself but I suppose I wouldnt say it's wrong *shrug*
Ring count is directly proportional to damage, though -- each ring deals light damage.

That said, I would not have it boost damage, either.

Last edited by Mew The Gato; 03-12-2017 at 03:35 PM.
Mew The Gato is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2017, 04:19 PM   #5696
Snorby
Snackin'
 
Snorby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 2,719
I'm aware, but that's completely different. I meant you shouldnt be giving psychic moves a 1.1x power boost because that'd be pretty stupid. More control over Psywave Ring Counts is very different from that.
__________________

Click on Fawful for my ASB squad summary. Other links coming soon.
Snorby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2017, 10:21 PM   #5697
GX Prodigy
Cascade Badge
 
GX Prodigy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 484
What is initiative?
__________________
GX Prodigy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2017, 12:06 AM   #5698
Mew The Gato
Smile
 
Mew The Gato's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,702
Initiative is just a head start on orders, which allows the Pokemon to start with its moves before the opponent. The Pokemon who receives orders first usually carries them out first, yes? This phenomenon is known as initiative.

Initiative is not insurmountable, though. Energy difference, priority moves, etc. can diminish the effects of initiative.
Mew The Gato is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2017, 12:08 AM   #5699
TheKnightsFury
Volcano Badge
 
TheKnightsFury's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 3,003
To add onto what Mew said, you also generally lose initiative when you switch going first, which is sort of there as a drawback to help prevent constant switching.
__________________
TheKnightsFury is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2017, 12:54 AM   #5700
Snorby
Snackin'
 
Snorby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 2,719
You also lose initiative if you mega evolve.

It's one of those things that's so vaguely codified that you'll scarcely find two refs that ref it as having the exact same impact on move order. Some people make it have virtually no effect unless literally everything else equals out, some people make it a primary influence on move order. I'm inclined to say that the entire spectrum there is correct considering the complete lack of codification. Not that that's a bad thing. It's good to have some things that keep reffing an art rather than a science.
__________________

Click on Fawful for my ASB squad summary. Other links coming soon.
Snorby is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation
Go Back   UPNetwork > Independent Forums > PASBL > Referees Forum


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:25 PM.


Design By: Miner Skinz.com
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.