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Old 08-31-2013, 03:45 AM   #1
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Dragonair UPN's For Fun Metagame!

Have you ever wondered what would happen in a tier where Delibird, Dragonair, Ivysaur, Gastrodon, Machoke, and Camerupt would look like? Like to play competitive Pokemon but can't stand the OU metagame? Well, not sure how much we can help here, but you can get a fresh start here. New to comp and need an easy way to slip in without being torn asunder by an already established meta? This might just be for you. Want to help out with testing and analysis writing? Come in! This is..


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Now, the question might erupt, "Why did you guys make a new thread?" Well, Kin and I discussed it for a bit and came upon a couple of conclusions. For one, we wanted a better looking thread than the last one, which was really more of a brainstorming thread than anything else. Second, we wanted to make it more community friendly, in that any one would be welcome to come in and discuss. Thirdly, we felt that many of the decisions that had come about in the previous thread were done with no real testing. And fourth, this is going to finalize the metagame in a sense. We know what we want out of it. So, now that the brainstorming is over, we can get on with a professional looking thread.

These are the Pokemon at the moment that are allowed in the FF metagame.

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I know people have bitched and moaned they want a "true" whitelist, so fine, I can do that.

Bulbasaur
Ivysaur
Charmander
Charmeleon
Squirtle
Wartortle
Caterpie
Metapod
Butterfree
Weedle
Kakuna
Beedrill 
Pidgey
Pidgeotto
Pidgeot
Rattata
Raticate
Spearow
Fearow
Ekans
Arbok
Pikachu
Sandshrew
Nidoran-F
Nidorina
Nidoran-M 
Nidorino
Clefairy
Vulpix
Jigglypuff
Wigglytuff
Zubat
Golbat
Oddish
Gloom
Vileplume
Paras
Parasect
Venonat
Diglett
Meowth
Persian
Psyduck
Golduck
Mankey
Growlithe
Poliwag
Poliwhirl
Abra
Machop
Machoke
Bellsprout
Weepinbell
Tentacool
Geodude
Graveler
Ponyta
Slowpoke
Magnemite
Farfetch'd
Doduo
Seel
Dewgong
Grimer
Shellder
Haunter
Onix
Drowzee
Hypno
Krabby
Voltorb
Electrode
Exeggcute
Cubone
Lickitung
Koffing
Rhyhorn
Horsea 
Seadra
Goldeen
Seaking
Staryu
Magmar
Magikarp
Ditto
Eevee
Flareon
Porygon
Omanyte
Kabuto
Dratini
Dragonair
Chikorita
Bayleef
Meganium
Cyndaquil
Quilava
Totodile
Croconaw
Sentret
Furret
Hoothoot
Noctowl
Ledyba
Ledian
Spinarak
Ariados
Chinchou
Pichu
Cleffa
Igglybuff
Togepi
Togetic
Natu
Mareep
Flaffy
Ampharos
Bellossom
Marill
Sudowoodo
Hoppip
Skiploom
Jumpluff
Aipom
Sunkern
Sunflora
Yanma
Wooper
Quagsire
Murkrow
Misdreavus
Unown
Girafarig
Pineco
Dunsparce
Snubbull
Granbull
Shuckle
Sneasel
Teddiursa
Slugma
Magcargo
Swinub
Piloswine
Corsola
Remoraid
Octillery
Delibird
Houndour
Phanpy
Stantler
Smeargle
Tyrogue
Smoochum
Elekid
Magby
Larvitar
Pupitar
Treecko
Grovyle
Torchic
Combusken
Mudkip
Marshtomp
Poochyena
Mightyena
Zigzagoon
Wurmple
Silcoon
Beautifly
Cascoon
Dustox
Lotad
Lombre
Seedot
Nuzleaf
Shiftry
Taillow
Wingull
Pelipper
Ralts
Kirlia
Surskit
Masquerian
Shroomish
Slakoth
Vigoroth
Nincada
Shedinja
Whismur
Loudred
Exploud
Makuhita
Azurill
Nosepass
Skitty
Delcatty
Mawile
Aron
Lairon
Meditite
Electrike
Plusle
Minun
Volbeat
Illumise
Roselia
Gulpin
Swalot
Carvanha
Wailmer
Wailord
Numel
Camerupt
Torkoal
Spoink
Grumpig
Spinda
Trapinch
Vibrava
Cacnea
Cacturne
Swablu
Altaria
Seviper
Lunatone
Solrock
Barboach
Whiscash
Corphish
Baltoy
Lileep
Anorith
Feebas
Castform
Kecleon
Shuppet
Banette
Duskull
Dusclops
Tropius
Chimecho
Wynaut
Snorunt
Glalie
Spheal
Sealeo
Clamperl
Relicanth
Luvdisc
Bagon
Shelgon
Beldum
Metang
Turtwig
Grotle
Chimchar
Monferno
Piplup
Prinplup
Starly
Staravia
Bidoof
Bibarel
Kricketot
Kricketune
Shinx
Luxio
Budew
Cranidos
Shieldon
Burmy
Wormadam - G 
Wormadam - S 
Wormadam - T 
Mothim
Combee
Vespiquen
Pachirisu
Buizel
Cherubi
Cherrim
Shellos
Gastrodon
Drifloon
Buneary
Lopunny
Glameow
Purugly
Chingling
Stunky
Bronzor
Bonsly
Mime Jr. 
Happiny
Chatot
Gible
Gabite
Munchlax
Riolu
Hippopotas
Skorupi
Croagunk
Carnivine
Finneon
Lumineon
Mantyke
Snover
Glaceon
Phione
Snivy
Servine
Tepig
Pignite
Oshawott
Dewott
Patrat
Watchog
Lillipup
Herdier
Purrlion
Liepard
Pansage
Pansear
Panpour
Munna
Pidove
Tranquill
Blitzle
Roggenrola
Boldore
Woobat
Drilbur
Audino
Timburr
Tympole
Palpitoad
Seismitoad
Throh
Sewaddle
Swadloon
Leavanny
Venipede
Whirlipede
Cottonee
Petilil
Basculin
Sandile
Krokorok
Darumaka
Maractus
Dwebble
Scraggy
Yamask
Tirtouga
Archen
Trubbish
Garbodor
Zorua
Minccino
Gothita
Gothorita
Solosis
Duosion
Ducklett
Swanna
Vanillite
Vanillish
Vanilluxe
Deerling
Emolga
Karrablast
Foongus
Frillish
Joltik
Klink
Klang
Tynamo
Eelektrik
Elgyem
Litwick
Lampent
Axew
Cubchoo
Beartic
Shelmet
Stunfisk
Mienfoo
Golett
Pawniard
Rufflet
Vullaby
Heatmor
Deino
Zweilous
Larvesta
Chespin
Quilladin
Fennekin
Braixen
Froakie
Frogadier
Bunnelby
Fletchling
Fletchlinder
Scatterbug
Spewpa
Vivillon
Litleo
Flabebe
Floette
Skiddo
Gogoat
Pancham
Furfrou
Espurr
Meowstic
Honedge
Doublade
Spritzee
Aromatisse
Swilix
Slurpuff
Inkay
Binacle
Skrelp
Dragalge
Clauncher
Helioptile
Tyrunt
Amaura
Aurorus
Dedenne
Carbink
Goomy
Sliggoo
Phantump
Pumpkaboo
Gourgeist
Bergmite
Noibat

THE ABOVE IS A COMPLETE(GASP) WHITELIST. IF IT IS NOT UP THERE, ITS NOT ALLOWED.

Now, for the clauses and the rules:

Species Clause: You are only allowed one Pokemon of each specie on a team. This one is pretty standard.
Sleep Clause: Only one Pokemon at a time can be put asleep, ignoring Rest. We do have a couple of sleepers in the tier and letting them run rampant is not fun.
Item Clause: We are running a modified Item clause. It was discovered that only being allowed one item on a team was very restrictive and made it so many of the Pokemon would never to be used. So, we are allowing you to have two of each item. This allows for some variety while not restricting team choice heavily.
Evasion Clause: Pokemon may not have Double Team or Minimize. We want a skill metagame, not a luck metagame.
OHKO Clause: No OHKO moves.
Moody Clause: Moody is broken and we all know this.
Shell Smash + Baton Pass: This is tentative, but we do have one Pokemon who can do this and I'm not in the mood for this to become a thing.

Sand Veil and Snow Cloak at the moment is NOT banned.

Reason being is that Hail needs all the help it can get at the moment and its gives Sand a little more strength against Sun. Plus, another reason to say no to Gligar.

All previous bans from the old FF thread are being undone with the creation of this thread. The reason being is that with the new Pokemon in the tier the metagame might change completely, and a few of those bans were done without any real testing involved. Future tests will probably happen if we manage to generate some interest.

Finally, all the FF analysis's that were done before, basically Ivysaur and Charmeleon, are being redone to reflect new changes in the metagame.

So, what's our motto? Have some fun people!

Hey look, people!

BlazeVA: blazeVA
Ethereal: gloomtail
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Tyoyo: Tsoyo
Celebi151: FlashFusion
swampertforever: Sir Swampy
Shuckle: TsuckTsubo
Escalion: Escalion
redpanda15: redpanda15
firewater: firewater
Kindrindra: Kindrindra
Sneezey: Sneaze


And guess what? Battle replays are going here!


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The first FF battle, Sir Swampy faces Blaze, master of Sun in a weather off of epic failportions! Mostly on my part.

Shuckle versus Sir. Swampy: Shiftry, meet Herdier. He might just be better than you!

Haymez versus redpanda: Magcargo versus the world for the coveted spot of SHELL SMASH SUPERIOR

Sheddy is annoying: Haymez versus the Blazes of Fury!

Haymez versus Blaze Part 2: Golbat is the anti-stall and the stall, otherwise known as Schrodinger Stall, and Banded Dusclops works well against offensive teams.

redpanda versus Swampy: The Scorching sun dries out the sand and blows it away in the wind.

The Shipwrecker wrecks Haymez with the sheer power of Shelgon!

The powerful Anchor of Murasa, Machoke, takes a few chunks out of Haymez's vessel.

Haymez finally goes Titanic on Murasa!

Dooood Piloswine is everywhere. At least it is cool to see some Hail around.

Piloswine gets Light Screen? WUT. Anyways, another chilling victory for redpanda.

Octillery is a cool sight, and Herdier breaks more skulls.

Sun on Sun. Sounds like weird kicky sex. But this is Pokemon lads!

Sneaze has an awesome team, and hazards are pretty damn powerful.

Machoke can carry, Exploud can wallbreak, but Vigoroth can sweep.

Sun falls to the new kids on the block. Missy is extremely good.

Escalion versus Blaze: Why Audino is quite good, facing two spinners and a Shedninja, and goddamn Butterfree you scary.

Shedinja: Easy to deal with when you know it, a bitch when you don't.

Everyday he's Throhing.

Hail confirmed for haxiest weather.

Remember Zweilous? He's backkkkkkkkk......

So, I've finally managed to get a good spinblocker.

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Old 08-31-2013, 06:41 AM   #2
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I want to join in! This looks fun!

Where can I sign up?

I'd love to use Shuckle.

Oh, by the way. Since you have already imposed a blanket allowance on NFE's, do you mind removing all NFE's from the list? It makes it easier to see which fully-evolved Pokemon are allowed instead of always reverting to a NFE by default.
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Old 08-31-2013, 06:47 AM   #3
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Quick question: Would this be all on Pokemon Showdown? Because this seems, well, fun, but my Computer access periods are smaller than my 3DS access time.
The fact that Hippopotas is allowed makes me want to play this, and the existence of Camerupt sweetens the deal.
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Old 08-31-2013, 06:55 AM   #4
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I made a team. It's the kind of team that would only work in FF.

If you don't mind me asking, how am I supposed to find people again?
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Old 08-31-2013, 09:31 AM   #5
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I love this idea! Good job guys!
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So I've just come up with a team plan. All I can say about it is that I'm glad this team is on my B2 cartridge, as it means that you guys won't have to meet it on PS.
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I'd love to join in on this too, but I have zero competitive experience. I just watch a shitload of stuff on YouTube, that's it. So I would appreciate a bit more info on the how and what and where I have to go to join in
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No, I'm excited as this is a new and weird thing that will actually make me want to battle.
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Hrm, this actually looks quite interesting. To lazy to read the list of allowed stuff in detail to try and teambuild, so I'll do that later.
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Oh, by the way. Since you have already imposed a blanket allowance on NFE's, do you mind removing all NFE's from the list? It makes it easier to see which fully-evolved Pokemon are allowed instead of always reverting to a NFE by default.
Also, since you guys have got some basic stage 'mon instead of first stage for 3-stage families, I think you should just specify all the NFEs banned in the tier (Chansey, Gligar, Wartortle, etc.)
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PEOPLE!

Anyways, we can do this on PS, PO, whatever you wish I guess. I don't have any FF teams on my B2 cartridge so......

And, on NFEs, I guess we could do that in all honestly. Seems like effort and I feel like many people will miss out on some of the better options(like Hippopotas for example), but if you guys feel like we should do that than that's okay.
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Spoiler: a blacklist will be much shorter than a whitelist. A whitelist you were already self-admittedly too lazy to complete as you rushed this thread out the door because squee banner art.
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Never said that I was too lazy to do it. Many NFE's were not on the list because the Pokemon on the list were ones I thought were going to be somewhat good. It's why you don't see Phanpy anymore, cause honestly its stats look really bad. Same thing with Darumaka.

But, I've cleaned it up now. Many of the basic stages are taken out besides some of the best ones.

And I'm on for any battles today if people wish. Just got to crock together a team.
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Well, since no-one bar me is going to make a team on cartridge, I might as well jump onto showdown and make the team there :P
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Guess it's Showdown for me too. If I can figure out how making a team works there (never done that so :P) than I'll probably have something tomorrow
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First battle replay, courtesies of yours truly:

The thralls of sun strike again!

Highlights of the battle:

Vulpix outstalling a Slowpoke in the sun
Ivysaur and Vullaby going down in epic combat.
Heatmor being a BOSS and shooting his Fire Blasts.
Dragonair being the Queen of set-up, and ultra-bulky Magnemite.
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First battle replay, courtesies of yours truly:

The thralls of sun strike again!

Highlights of the battle:

Vulpix outstalling a Slowpoke in the sun
Ivysaur and Vullaby going down in epic combat.
Heatmor being a BOSS and shooting his Fire Blasts.
Dragonair being the Queen of set-up, and ultra-bulky Magnemite.
What I want to know is why the hell didn't I switch in Slowpoke on Heatmor :{
Hindsight!
Although yes, Dragonair is a brilliant set upper if you let her - I couldn't deal with it due to stupid stuff like not having HPIce, Taunt, or Whirlwinders at that point.

And honestly, now I think about it, Duosion doesn't really fit in to the team well. I need to replace him, but I don't know who to add in his place.
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Darumaka is better than you think he is. That is all.

I'm ready for some games too :3
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I thought Herdier was strong. Now I know Herdier is strong.

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I was a little disappointed to see that he didn't lead with Hippo - though for some reason I thought Maractus was immune to Sand. Her place on the team is in jeopardy because of that; Cacturne (or cacnea if cacturne's not allowed) might end up being a better option thanks to sand something and in cacnea's case an eviolite.
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I just finished my team. They bring the HEAT *hint hint*
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In which Magneton Sits on a Rain team, among other things.
Oh, and apparently Hydration. Who knew?
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I remember reading over the old thread and thought it would be fun. I'd like to try it one time Blaze!
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How do you battle people? Is it just "Battle me!" or some other thing
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