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Old 08-17-2017, 05:06 PM   #3926
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That doesn't make sense though because there isn't even any evidence that the alt-right exists outside of the internet. I don't count the KKK/Neo-Nazis as the same entity because I think they're too stupid to have any political views beyond "WHITE POWER" or how to manipulate the internet in the same way as the alt-right does.

You've got a loosely associated, amorphous voting block with vaguely defined ideals that doesn't hold any tangible districts or land, it seems to me that it would be pretty easy to wipe away their representation like what happened with the Pirate Party in Sweden.

The folks who helped Trump get into power were blue-collars in the Rust Belt, which is a much more well-traded demographic than "alt-right" and doesn't have as much association with racism.

THOUGH, I have photographs of Confederate flags being flown here in Minnesota. So who knows?

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Old 08-18-2017, 02:19 PM   #3927
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And just like that, Steve Bannon is fired.

If Trump has shown any dedication at all to his presidency, its toward Twitter.
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Old 08-18-2017, 08:52 PM   #3928
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That doesn't make sense though because there isn't even any evidence that the alt-right exists outside of the internet. I don't count the KKK/Neo-Nazis as the same entity because I think they're too stupid to have any political views beyond "WHITE POWER" or how to manipulate the internet in the same way as the alt-right does.
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Old 08-19-2017, 08:08 AM   #3929
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I'm not old enough to view that video.

I knew what it was anyway even when the title was blocked - you are that predictable - and it's like you didn't even read the bit of my post you quoted -

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I don't count the KKK/Neo-Nazis as the same entity...
Moronic ancap internet trolls != neo-nazis/KKK.
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Old 08-19-2017, 08:16 AM   #3930
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Dopple if you truly believe Alt-Right beliefs are kept solely to the internet and are not legitimately held by people who actively participate within the political sphere of things then I don't know what to say. Do you truly believe all of the people who subscribe to the kinds of things Breitbart and Alex Jones put out there are just internet trolls?

Not to mention quite a few tenets of what the Alt-Right believe in (racial segregation for one) are very similar if not identical to the kinds of beliefs that Nazi and KKK members hold to.
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Old 08-19-2017, 08:33 AM   #3931
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Dopple if you truly believe Alt-Right beliefs are kept solely to the internet and are not legitimately held by people who actively participate within the political sphere of things then I don't know what to say. Do you truly believe all of the people who subscribe to the kinds of things Breitbart and Alex Jones put out there are just internet trolls?
Alt-right beliefs are not the same as the "alt right" as a so-called movement. Because if the movement truly exists, there is no consistency in whatever ideals it holds dear beyond racism. Even the classic stereotype of anarcho-capitalism doesn't apply to all of them since many are too stupid to understand it.

Alt-right is less Tea Party and more Occupy Wall Street.

I would prefer to deny alt-right exists and just identify these people for what they are, namely racists.
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Dopple.

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Hey the dude on the phone at the 9 minute mark went to my high school. I'm so incredibly proud. I guess that's what he's doing these days.
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no worries, i'm sure i'll be banned again soon.

mods, any way i can vet posts to you via pm so i know what's on the naughty list? ty
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Old 08-27-2017, 12:19 PM   #3936
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Old 08-27-2017, 02:00 PM   #3937
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racism (rāˈsĭzˌəm)►
n. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
n. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.


I don't think one race is superior to others, but everything is racist now so
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Here's an idea

You know that thing you were doing before? Yeah?

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That was generalized criticism of an ethnic group. Not racism.

That said, depending on what you think, that might be considered just as bad. But I don't think people should be published for their thoughts either, since one possible alternative is action. That's sort of the point of having a debate subforum and talking about things (diplomacy). Would you rather people act on attitudes like "I hate XXX" rather than talk it over? That is how we get things like the Pulse shooting.

YMMV depending on the subject matter too. Consider, there is probably someone out there who thinks "I find American girls ugly". I personally don't have much of a reaction to this statement, although it's really no different in generalizing than "American girls are sluts" or "I find black girls ugly", which are a lot more offensive.

All three are personal opinions that might drive action without even being acknowledged. An HR manager might pass over a newly wed woman or a black girl for a job because these thoughts operate in the back of his mind, even if he's not even aware of it.

I tend to make eye contact with girls I find more attractive than with girls I don't. Why - because you want to look at the pretty face more! Without discussion, you might be leaking these behavioural tells in the real world and inadvertently offending a perceptive person. Better to offend here than out there, right?
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That was generalized criticism of an ethnic group. Not racism.

That said, depending on what you think, that might be considered just as bad. But I don't think people should be published for their thoughts either, since one possible alternative is action. That's sort of the point of having a debate subforum and talking about things (diplomacy). Would you rather people act on attitudes like "I hate XXX" rather than talk it over? That is how we get things like the Pulse shooting.

YMMV depending on the subject matter too. Consider, there is probably someone out there who thinks "I find American girls ugly". I personally don't have much of a reaction to this statement, although it's really no different in generalizing than "American girls are sluts" or "I find black girls ugly", which are a lot more offensive.

All three are personal opinions that might drive action without even being acknowledged. An HR manager might pass over a newly wed woman or a black girl for a job because these thoughts operate in the back of his mind, even if he's not even aware of it.

I tend to make eye contact with girls I find more attractive than with girls I don't. Why - because you want to look at the pretty face more! Without discussion, you might be leaking these behavioural tells in the real world and inadvertently offending a perceptive person. Better to offend here than out there, right?
In this "debate" sub-forum, you're allowed to say that Donald Trump is literally Hitler and wants to kill all non-whites but not that perhaps some groups are different than others, be it due to genetics, culture, or both.

It is what it is, and while it gets people like James Damore fired, it really Streisand Effects up the alt-right numbers, so thanks, I guess.
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You know that thing you were doing before? Yeah?

Just don't!

You know how you pretend to moderate a debate forum while being a touchy midwit? Yeah?

Just don't!

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In this "debate" sub-forum, you're allowed to say that Donald Trump is literally Hitler and wants to kill all non-whites but not that perhaps some groups are different than others, be it due to genetics, culture, or both.

It is what it is, and while it gets people like James Damore fired, it really Streisand Effects up the alt-right numbers, so thanks, I guess.
The saddest thing about you, even sadder than the fact that you spent your twenties pretending to be a pedophile on a pokemon forum, is the fact that you actually believe this was a logical post.

I'd type another long post where I'd explain that I compared Trump to Hitler in that their rises to power were stupendously similar and used much of the same rhetoric; where I'd point out that I merely said he is an extremely racist and bigoted man(with quite a lot of proof), not to mention surrounds himself with literal white nationalists, not that he "wants to kill all non-whites"; where you didn't say "people of some groups are different to others" but instead decided to say "BLM are terrorists" and even admitted that the alt-right movement, which you claim to be a part of, supports white nationalism...

But really, I already tried a long post, and you didn't even read it. You simply refused to.

I'd like to say that if you paid as much attention to life and those around you as you do to try to explain why white people have any more right to America than any other social group, you'd realise the errors of your thinking; you'd understand the suffering of your fellow man (which go much further than "Oh God, I got banned on that same pokemon forum because the mods thought I was racist."). But I'd be wrong, wouldn't I?

I mean, who are you accusing of being against you, anyway? Is it deoxys, the guy from Kentucky who hates drama more than anything else and definitely is more invested in this forum than most people? Is it Jerichi, the guy from Georgia who knows...is it six? seven? different languages, works in immigration, is currently in Osaka, and I'd wager, definitely knows racism when he sees it? (Or homophobia for that matter, but I digress.)

Have you ever stopped to consider just why it is that everyone on this, well...majority-white Debate forum thinks your actions are going over the line?

But hey. Maybe at the end, that's the difference between you and me. Maybe in a comically childish way, if you're the alt-right on this forum, then I'm the anti-fa. Waging a pointless, childish war, getting banned from the thread, getting bad PR from all sides.

But the difference is that when people I respect tell me I'm wrong, you know what I do?

I fucking listen.
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I think if anything is going to get you a debate forum ban at this point, it's going to be blatant disrespect and you know why.

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I dislike outrage culture from the liberal left as much as any alt-righter does, and being pretty blunt, more than one of your statements have been outright racist and worthy of the response they garnered. You actively espoused the notion that adding latino genes to the White American gene pool was somehow dragging the gene pool down. If that's not blatant "one race is superior" rhetoric then I guess anything less than "all blacks are monkeys" isn't.

Which is fucking absurd.

I agree that on some points you may have been targeted for having a conservative viewpoint rather than anything specifically outrageous but when you identify with tenets of the alt-right that I read on the link you yourself submitted, I can't say you're anything other than a racist bigot looking for a fight where you can paint yourself as the victim.
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But the difference is that when people I respect tell me I'm wrong, you know what I do?

I fucking listen.
I can respect the opinions of others without changing my own mind.
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I dislike outrage culture from the liberal left as much as any alt-righter does, and being pretty blunt, more than one of your statements have been outright racist and worthy of the response they garnered. You actively espoused the notion that adding latino genes to the White American gene pool was somehow dragging the gene pool down. If that's not blatant "one race is superior" rhetoric then I guess anything less than "all blacks are monkeys" isn't.

Which is fucking absurd.

I agree that on some points you may have been targeted for having a conservative viewpoint rather than anything specifically outrageous but when you identify with tenets of the alt-right that I read on the link you yourself submitted, I can't say you're anything other than a racist bigot looking for a fight where you can paint yourself as the victim.
Point taken on the first paragraph, but I guess my follow-up question to you is "Are all races equal?". Which, of course, has a ton of baggage, but if you think that race A is better than race B at X but worse at Y, the races can be "equal" but maybe you don't need X as much as you need Y.
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Mozz was banned for a number of reasons last month and now he is back here with us. So now I want to post here and say what I expect from not just Mozz but everone else here.

To Mozz, you're posting here and it's like you're trying to bait people to respond to you. There is nothing wrong with asking what is and isn't allowed, but why not just PM one of the mods or something instead of asking here? Now I know Im guilty of shamelessly posting whatever on my mind but you should be aware that many people here disagree with you here. Have some tact. In regards to what is and isnt allowed, the first rule is always civility. That's not just being nice to the person you are replying to but even how you say things. Try not to be condescending or passive aggressive to people. Next up is what you actually say. The post above mine by Mozz talks about races being equal but that's a delicate topic you know. Please be mindful of what you say and how you say it.

In regards to everyone not named Mozz, you all need to stop "taking the bait". A lot of the reactions to him posting aren't conducive to discussion. The civility rule applies even if you are in the majority.
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Point taken on the first paragraph, but I guess my follow-up question to you is "Are all races equal?". Which, of course, has a ton of baggage, but if you think that race A is better than race B at X but worse at Y, the races can be "equal" but maybe you don't need X as much as you need Y.
This isn't a very elegant way to put it, and it sounds really offensive. "superior" is loaded language and not very useful considering people have different values and may not consider mutually exclusive trade-offs. Women might have a preference for "huge" guys, but large size has a negative correlation with lifespan. So which is better, large or small?

What you say has some truth at a fundamental level, though. There are more targeted ways of phrasing it and context also needs to be considered.

An example would be Native American populations and their genetic predisposition to diabetes. Even if you strip away poverty (which is heavily correlated with obesity) Native Americans get type II diabetes at far higher frequencies at younger ages. It happens even with non-obese patients.

The effects are devastating, and the epidemiology I see is comparable to an infectious disease like plague or smallpox, where everyone has it and is suffering from it. Genetics are the #1 risk factor here, even more than modern diet and exercise. Because how it is, you need to be extremely active and eat what is basically a paleolithic diet to NOT get diabetes at a young as a Native American.

I'm not even talking about "ethic groups" like the different tribes of Native Americans, I'm saying anyone with a common ancestry stating from the immigration event over the Bering Land Bridge has this predisposition. I just see it way more on reservations.

Part of the problem is "inbreeding" as it were, or the tendency of natives to not marry people outside of their tribe. At best, this keeps the genetic predisposition intact - at worst, strengthens its effects by selecting for it over a high number of generations. Even more worrying are "superfamily" effects where there are two huge families and members marry one another in alternating generations. That is, someone from Family A marries Family B, then the child of Family A marries the child of Family B.

If you goal was to cure the world of diabetes, the simplest and least painful option would be to basically eliminate Native Americans as an ethic group, by having them breed with non-natives and completely assimilate into cosmopolitan America.

Yes, that still qualifies as genocide. It doesn't involve any killing, but you are still wiping out an ethic group and its culture.
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This isn't a very elegant way to put it, and it sounds really offensive. "superior" is loaded language and not very useful considering people have different values and may not consider mutually exclusive trade-offs. Women might have a preference for "huge" guys, but large size has a negative correlation with lifespan. So which is better, large or small?

What you say has some truth at a fundamental level, though. There are more targeted ways of phrasing it and context also needs to be considered.

An example would be Native American populations and their genetic predisposition to diabetes. Even if you strip away poverty (which is heavily correlated with obesity) Native Americans get type II diabetes at far higher frequencies at younger ages. It happens even with non-obese patients.

The effects are devastating, and the epidemiology I see is comparable to an infectious disease like plague or smallpox, where everyone has it and is suffering from it. Genetics are the #1 risk factor here, even more than modern diet and exercise. Because how it is, you need to be extremely active and eat what is basically a paleolithic diet to NOT get diabetes at a young as a Native American.

I'm not even talking about "ethic groups" like the different tribes of Native Americans, I'm saying anyone with a common ancestry stating from the immigration event over the Bering Land Bridge has this predisposition. I just see it way more on reservations.

Part of the problem is "inbreeding" as it were, or the tendency of natives to not marry people outside of their tribe. At best, this keeps the genetic predisposition intact - at worst, strengthens its effects by selecting for it over a high number of generations. Even more worrying are "superfamily" effects where there are two huge families and members marry one another in alternating generations. That is, someone from Family A marries Family B, then the child of Family A marries the child of Family B.

If you goal was to cure the world of diabetes, the simplest and least painful option would be to basically eliminate Native Americans as an ethic group, by having them breed with non-natives and completely assimilate into cosmopolitan America.

Yes, that still qualifies as genocide. It doesn't involve any killing, but you are still wiping out an ethic group and its culture.
I've seen interesting research showing how more "ancient" peoples (non-white South/Central Americans, Native Americans, Polynesians, Africans) respond much worse to modern diets than whites and Asians, but IANA evo biologist or whatever.
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reposted from discord but in the interest of steering away from inflammatory topics like race

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