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Old 11-25-2012, 10:23 PM   #26
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Zeppeli, 50-50. It was sudden for the anime but you've said it yourself that the anime is on hyperactive overdrive, covering in one episode what HxH would cover in five. But Dire? No way. That really caught me by surprise (though I knew he was fucked the very moment he cut in line; what I'm saying was surprising, thus, was the very fact that he cut in line!). Further surprising was that Straights lived. You always expect paired characters to live together and to die together. Quite strange that Dire died yet Straights lived.

Expect the unexpected, huh?

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JoJo's belle is Dio in disguise!

Speedwagon is a balogna sandwich!

Tonpeti's a woman!
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:31 PM   #28
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Proving once again that fans of muscular shounen heroes and fans of sandbox lolis are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

One thing that strikes me as impressive with this fan video, given how seamless a lot of the video edits are, is that he must've only just made it. Skip to 3m43s once you've seen the latest episode and then watch for 3m47s. Most of the footage in the video came from much older episodes but that bit right there at 3m47s came from this week's episode, meaning this video wasn't finalized until only a few days ago. And given that it appeared on NicoNicoDouga and then on YouTube both on November 24 (yesterday, Saturday, the same day JJBA airs), that's pretty fucking impressive. Perhaps the guy had already made 95% of the video and just inserted a random scene from the latest episode? But like, why do that? If you assume he wasn't trying to psych people out and that he just made the video when he made it using the footage he had on hand at the time, including that scene, then it means that whoever made this video made it in the last 36 hours or so. Damn impressive imo.
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:08 PM   #29
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It looks like this week is the final episode of Phantom Blood.

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Old 12-02-2012, 06:03 PM   #30
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Episode 09:
Yeah, Doppel. Your spoiler ...

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... definitely rendered what should have been an insanely epic plot twist rather ho hum and expected. ^^; I realize you couldn't have known that I knew what Dio's future costume looked like, but still. ^^; I trust/very much hope you'll keep even the whisper of future spoilers to yourself. You say Arc 1 isn't as good as the later arcs. Well, let's hope you're right! 'Cause while Episodes 1 thru 8 were okay, Episode 9 had the potential to be fucking mindblowing. (HOW MANY HEROES DIE ONLY NINE EPISODES IN?) I would have liked to have experienced that for myself. I'll just have to hope Arcs 2 and 3 are even better and I remain unspoiled on them.

Worst of all, your spoiler's path of destruction continues. ^^; 'Cause while I might've ordinarily assumed that Jonathan Joestar did epically thwart Dio, thanks to you I know that he didn't. Well, thanks to Wikipedia and my DS game I knew Dio wasn't dead ^^;, but thanks to you I can surmise that he was successful in getting JoJo's body.


Okay, no more shame, my friend. That spoiler was never meant to spoil me or bbb and I forgive you for it. So let's talk cool stuff.

1) The title of this episode is still interesting even after I've already finished the episode. Does it mean "the last Ripple ever?" or does it only mean "Jonathan Joestar's last Ripple"? Time will tell. Doppel did kind of hint that in the future people struggle with vampires and that I was wrong to knock the Ripple, so I would surmise that this may well be the last Ripple we see for a long while. But what then does that mean for Tonpeti and Straights? Did they not pass on their knowledge to the next generation? And if they did, why have they not sought out Joseph Joestar and taught him the Ripple?

2) Speaking of Joseph Joestar, it'll be interesting to see what his deal is. As well as his adopted brother / sister's! (Please don't tell me one or the other of them is Dio Part II! )

3) Awwwwwww, does this timeskip mean that Speedwagon's an old man now? ^^;

4) I wonder why Erina chose to stay in America rather than return home to Britain. O_o The Joestars were only honeymooning in America: it wasn't as though they were moving!

5) lol @ how calm Erina was all episode.

6) Honestly it was kind of cool how in spite of his megalomania Dio still was able to afford JoJo so much respect.
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Go back and listen to Joseph's introduction very carefully. Sound like someone we know?

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I can't wait until Part 3. It'll be voice actor porn.
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Well, when I first heard it (pre-any posts tonight) I thought:

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He sounded an awful lot like Dio

But I didn't say anything 'cause I wanted to give it a second listen later and I was sure that that couldn't be right. Right now I'm taking a quick break on SAO Ep22 so it'll have to wait, but yeah, I'll check it out.
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Old 12-02-2012, 07:49 PM   #33
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To comment on something earlier, BBB didn't read my spoiler and was genuinely surprised by Episode 9. I'll do my best to shut up about the big twists now that I know you two could be privy to stuff I don't know you're privy to.

On Dio and Jonathan,

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Jonathan was the only Jojo who Dio held in any esteem, because of their history and how resilient Jonathan was. In spite of that, Dio never feared Jonathan, and that's something to keep in mind in the future.

Also of note, Speedwagon says Dio was bad to the bone, and that's virtually true, but a big part of it was his upbringing. Had he been raised by George Joestar from the beginning, Dio might have turned into merely a ruthless businessman, driven by ambition, rather than a sadistic, apathetic megalomaniac.
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Old 12-07-2012, 09:19 PM   #34
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Hope you all like Battle Tendency.

I watched the episode already, it was everything I could have hoped for. It's a little less camp than Phantom Blood, but no less shocking than PB's finale. I'm most hopeful for BBB because he likes stuff like this. We'll see!

I didn't see the new OP, though.
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:01 AM   #35
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Oh holy god damn episode 10 kicked ass.

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The new JoJo is a much better character than I first thought he would be. So fucking insane.

Also with Speechwagon gone, maybe we won't have as much annoying stating the obvious!


Lets hope things don't degrade after the first episode of this part. I really enjoyed the first two episodes of the first part, but things just got meh after that.
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:05 PM   #36
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I think bbb's level of excitement and Doppel's level of suspense about our forecasted excitement combined to get my hopes up too high for this episode. I felt the episode was okay ... but not epic, nothing near as great as Episode 3 of the series was. It was good though, with loads of surprises that I was thankful weren't spoiled this time!.

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I could not pick out that Joseph Joestar was Sugita Tomokazu last week, not in a million years. But this week, it was impossible not to recognize him the moment he opened his mouth. Very interesting. And the fact that they cast him this early to play JoJo means that whoever they're saving for JoJo #3 is even better. That's crazy. But perhaps not so crazy, for Joseph demonstrates that not all JoJos are alike in personality and Sugita is a very good fit for Joseph Joestar given what we've seen so far. Joseph bears a lot in common with Sakata Gintoki (Gintama), another character voiced by Sugita, so perhaps that was why he was hired on for this part and passed over for JoJo #3 who, judging from Doppel's excitement about that story arc, promises to be the definitive JoJo.

lol @ Smokey. hahahaha So we've traded REO Speedwagon for Smokey Robinson. Interesting.

JoJo's scenes with the pig police officer and with the shark-toothed pig mafia guy in the restaurant were okay. Both pigs were bad on the eyes though. ^^; But JoJo kicked their asses so it's all good.

JoJo's scenes on the airplane and with the mafia boss in the restaurant were funny.

Speedwagon's scene in Mexico at the archaeology site and Joseph's scene at the very end with the tommy gun were WHAT THE HELL unexpected and awesome. Let's take them each in turn.

First, the Aztec or Mayan ruins. It's pretty crazy that Straights turned on us. Did not expect that, not at all. The guy in the tree looks eerily like Jonathon Joestar but lord knows who or what he's meant to be. Assuming he isn't Dio, it'll be interesting to see Dio cross paths with the guy later since I assume that the guy in the tree is "the original vampire lord" and should thus surely be superior to Dio in power and technique, you'd think. Wondering if Straights is to be the primary villain for this story arc, given that he's a mask-created vampire, just like Dio, and not a vampire-created vampire underling, like all the lesser vampires we saw serve Dio in the first story arc. Kind of hard to imagine Straights serving Dio since one would suppose them to be equals, or might even suppose Straights to be Dio's superior since he knows all about the Ripple and has 70+ years of life experience compared with Dio's ~20 or so. (Unless of course Dio has been doing some crazy shit of his own these past 50+ years. ) And speaking of Ripple knowledge, yeah, that seems like it could be a big problem for JoJo #2. While it's cool that Joseph is shown to be a natural-born prodigy with the Ripple, if Straights knows all there is to know about the Ripple then it stands to reason that he can use that knowledge against Joseph, forcing Joseph to acquire some new talent or skill by which to defeat Straights and other vampires.

Second, the tommy gun scene with Joseph and Straights. That was pretty crazy. I don't know why JoJo didn't recognize Straights considering the episode had given us the impression earlier on that JoJo knew Straights, Tonpeti, and the others, but maybe he only ever heard tales of them from Grandma Erina. *shrug* Likewise, the only way Straights should've known who JoJo was was if they'd met before since next to no one in New York knows yet who Joseph is. But whatever. Putting aside their initial unsureness of one another's identities, it was cool to see JoJo bust out that machine gun and just go to town on Straights. He demolished that restaurant! And then, perhaps best of all, he tells Straights, "Look, I know that that didn't kill you, but it wasn't meant to. That was just my way of telling you that I am going to make you pay, you punkass bitch, for what you've done. Prepare yourself." Dayum.

So yeah. It was a good episode. But ... not my favorite JJBA episode yet. That honor still belongs to Episode 3, I think.
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Something I should make a note of - Kinoko Nasu and ZUN grew up reading Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and incorporated some of the ideas they liked from JJBA into their games. Some things are more obvious than others, but I'm not going to lampshade them because after the screenshot catastrophe even pointing in the right direction might be too much.

I will just say, though, that if you look at overlapping concepts between say ZUN/Nasu's work and Araki's, you may be able to infer correct analogies by comparing the relationships in the respective works.

The truth about the guy in the rock-

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He's a "vampire god", comparable to Nasu's True Ancestor. A living vampire who is much more powerful than the undead variants that humans become after using the stone masks. The vampire god race consumes human-made vampires for food, which is interesting given the origin story of the 27 Dead Apostle Ancestors claims that they were originally intended as food for the True Ancestors!

Vampires like Dio are more comparable to a Dead Apostle Ancestor, and Dio's servants are more like the fodder vampire/zombie/ghouls seen in Tsukihime.

The differences are True Ancestors are spirits, while the vampire god race are a highly evolved form of human, or they may be a different but similarly shaped organism. The other difference is that True Ancestors have to suck the blood of a person to make them a DAA, whereas the vampire gods have to use stone masks to turn humans into vampires.


Click the above either if a) you are confident in your theory or b) after that information is revealed in the anime. It'll be either next week or the week after. I didn't mention names or any story role.
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Where did you learn that either ZUN or Nasu cared about JJBA? Is this a pet theory of yours based on perceived similarities, or is there an actual source you can link us to? I ask because it's kind of an odd pairing, ZUN and Kinoko Nasu. ^^; I don't normally think of Touhou and the Nasuverse in the same minute.

Really at a loss for how the guy in the tree rock (whatever ) could be alluded to by considering Touhou. The best I can desperately come up with is that ZUN is fond of creating youkai, kami, etc. who govern or herald various entities, e.g. Yukari is the youkai of dimensions, Letty is the fairy associated with the coming of winter, Rumia is the youkai associated with darkness, and so on. So like, I guess you could be trying to say that that dude is like "the patron saint of all vampires" or something? But I dunno.

You mention Nasu and it takes me in a slightly different direction. I immediately think of Arcueid Brunestud, locked in chains in Castle Brunestud on the moon, damned to an eternal (that ends up being not so eternal? ) slumber. So like, perhaps that's what the dude in the rock-tree is. Perhaps the Mayans/Aztecs/whomever created these stone masks that could turn people into vampires ... and perhaps that dude was like their chieftain (in which case he'd be like TYPE-MOON the character) or their top knight (in which case I guess he'd be more like Arcueid). So it could be that he's a nice guy ... but he sealed himself away, or was sealed away by allies, because he was struggling with his vampiric urges. Or something.

But I doubt both theories. With regards to the latter, there's no reason really to expect that the guy is good. I would sooner think of him as a Roa than as an Arcueid, and I only consider the Arcueid angle because you say to consider the Nasuverse. With regards to the former, it seems sort of silly to me that he would be "the patron saint of all vampires." Clearly no one remembers who he is nor does the world seem to be running rampant with vampires who might worship the guy. And it seems kind of odd that the patron saint would be sealed away in stone while lesser beings, like Dio, get to run amok and wreak havoc on human villages with their amateur vampire powers.

I'm probably way off base what you're trying to get me to think of but w/e. I'll find out next week. ^^; (Watch it be something like "the Hourai Elixir, Talon! DUUUUUUUUUUH~!" )
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Where did you learn that either ZUN or Nasu cared about JJBA? Is this a pet theory of yours based on perceived similarities, or is there an actual source you can link us to? I ask because it's kind of an odd pairing, ZUN and Kinoko Nasu. ^^; I don't normally think of Touhou and the Nasuverse in the same minute.
ZUN and Nasu never acknowledged it in an interview or anything (I think this is a code), but a fellow on Arlong Park pointed out to me that folks in the doujin community (especially in eroge) pull ideas from other media all the time. Rance, for example, is a parody of a series called Y's, and Muv-Luv draws a lot of inspiration from Gunparade March, which had just come out. That stupid Shingeki no Kyojin manga/upcoming anime was ripped off of MLA, and that had an acknowledgement in the manga's anthology.

In the same sense, JJBA draws off of Hokuto no Ken, which was inspired by Hong Kong wuxia...and so on. Where there's an origin, there's a root!

You'll recognize the Nasu/ZUN when you see it. It'll be really obvious.
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Well okaaaaaaaaaaay, but this now sounds more like a case of you seeing a similarity between JJBA and Touhou/Nasuverse than of them directly drawing inspiration from JJBA. ^^;

As for the doujin community pulling ideas from other media all the time ... that's true, but that's because the vast majority (easily over 50% and probably more like 80%+) of paper doujinshi and still a large fraction of homemade CGs (10-20%) are parody works. Hyouka porn. Touhou porn. Kaiji porn. Maple Town porn. ;p (Yuki: Noooooooooo! ;-; ) And they absolutely will make references to other things in there, like ... I've seen several doujins where suddenly out of friggin' nowhere there's Fukumoto-style artwork in the final panel. NO EXPLANATION, no warning, just suddenly BAM!, Akagi/Kaiji/Fukube staring me in the face. Or like, speaking of Kaiji, there was one doujin I read once which was an original piece but which clearly was making references to Kaiji's Bog arc (the main character was a buxom woman named Ichijou; she worked for a mafia boss who bore some resemblence to Hyoudou; and in one cell there was a picture of one of the mafia underlings wheeling out the grill from the end of E-Card; beyond that, no other noted similarities). So on and so forth. But to say that Fate/stay night would lift elements straight off the pages of JJBA is ... well, I'll have to see it to believe it.
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I watched the episode earlier, but I was too enamoured with the ice cream to remember to talk about it.

It's still good! Although I have some reservations about how certain members will take to certain things. We'll just have to see.
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Finally got to see the latest episode. Umm ... ^^; ... very entertaining but yeah ...

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I just can't buy Straits's suicide. Unlike Bruford, who had been noble in life and became a vampire-minion only after death without his consent, Straits turned evil in life, pursued the power of the stone mask and its vampirism, and even spoke of planning to enjoy his newfound vampire powers only after he'd eliminated Joseph. So like, what the hell, man. What the hell that he just up and loses the will to live like that. So not buying it!

Also, what the hell was up with the grenades? While I like that Joseph is cunning, what I can't accept is that this man went dining with his manservant, having no clue he'd be getting into a fight tonight, and yet somehow he just so happens to have ten grenades on him. Ridiculous.

Aside from that, the developments were good. Liked the cute blonde journalist. Liked JoJo's fights. Like that Speedwagon managed to survive somehow. Like that this German asshole seems like Dio somewhat. Like that the plot continues to move along at a very gracious clip. Even liked the new OP! (Though the old OP is better. :p)

Doppel, do you suspect that this arc will end in about six more episodes, similar to the last one's pacing?
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I just can't buy Straits's suicide. Unlike Bruford, who had been noble in life and became a vampire-minion only after death without his consent, Straits turned evil in life, pursued the power of the stone mask and its vampirism, and even spoke of planning to enjoy his newfound vampire powers only after he'd eliminated Joseph. So like, what the hell, man. What the hell that he just up and loses the will to live like that. So not buying it!
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Straights tried to use the ripple as a last resort, but it ended up self-destructing him, so he was all "oh...well at least I die pretty".

You might say, "why didn't he experiment with the ripple beforehand?" but it was a Catch 22. Straights didn't test the limits of his body after becoming a vampire, he immediately went to kill Joseph, who he saw as his greatest threat. But even attempting to use the ripple once would have killed him instantly, because the ripple will rend any vampire body, including the one it came out of.


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Also, what the hell was up with the grenades? While I like that Joseph is cunning, what I can't accept is that this man went dining with his manservant, having no clue he'd be getting into a fight tonight, and yet somehow he just so happens to have ten grenades on him. Ridiculous.
This and the predicting what other characters will say are the two points of Joseph I figured would have the most potential to annoy someone. Either Joseph narrates what his enemy is about to say, or he puts the enemy in a situation where they'd go "oh dear, I've un-expectedly found myself dead!".

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The big difference between Joseph, Jonathan and other Jojos is that Joseph is weaker relative to the enemies he has to go up against. Here, we saw Straights at a superior level of power to Dio; he's using Dio's ultimate attack as an opening move, has ripple immunity, and is going against an untrained ripple user. But Joseph was able to outsmart him to win. Joseph will repeatedly find himself in situations where he has to think outside the box to survive.



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It should be longer, by maybe 2-3 episodes. This fight was a lot shorter in the manga, but it was a lot clearer animated.
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Surprisingly (?), MyAnimeList is reporting that JJBA is scheduled for 26 episodes. This could just be a typical case of people listing in the denominator the confirmed number of total episodes thus far and by no means be proof that JJBA is only going to be 26 episodes long ... but you'll note that they don't tend to do that for television adapations of long manga series. Like Hunter x Hunter. Or like Magi. Neither of these have a denominator value for their episode count. But JJBA does, and that number is 26. So I wonder ...

Story Arc 1: Episodes 1-9
Story Arc 2: Episodes 10-?? (perhaps 16 or 17?)
Story Arc 3: Episodes ??-?? (perhaps 17 or 18 thru 26?)

And then that's it. Animate us up through what is apparently the most famous arc ... and then re-license the rights to animate the series if it proves profitable. I wonder if that's David Animation's plan. Guess we'll see.
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During commercial breaks, there's a segment where a guy named "Josuke" starts reading Shounen Jump manga, and it's meant as a promotional piece for the serial the original JJBA aired in. There is a "Josuke" in the current JJBA arc, Part VIII - Jojolion. The voice actor was confirmed to be the official CV for "Josuke", so it's safe to say that Part III will be animated at the very least, if not a bit further than that.

If I were to rank the parts,

7 > 3 > 2 > 1 > 4 > 6 > 5

Given that, after Stardust Crusaders I'm probably going to drop Jojo for like a year until SBR gets animated, then marathon the parts I didn't like so much.
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Old 12-20-2012, 11:06 PM   #46
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Hnmmmm.

Btw, I do like the look of the new sidekick (?) in the OP. He looks like ... a good Dio? O_o But he looks like a lot of fun.

And speaking of the new OP and stuff it hints at, ...

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Combined with us going to Mexico, is that some Navajo or Mexican Indian fashion I see Joseph wearing? Is his mentor going to be a Native American, I wonder? (Not asking you to tell me. XP Just thinking out loud for your amusement.)
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Old 12-23-2012, 02:48 PM   #47
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Hahaha, I just discovered something amusing. Don't open this until Part V of JJBA!

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Giorno Giovanna is voiced by Daisuke Namikawa. This brings some closure to something that bugged me during Phantom Blood. I heard Jonathan Joestar's voice and though, "he sounds like Ichijou from Kaiji!" but it turns out I was wrong, he wasn't Ichijou. But he's a really similar voice.

Well, here we go with Giorno, Dio's son with Jonathan's body, who is voiced by Ichijou. Yes, Daisuke Namikawa is Ichijou! What a nice twist, I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought that the two voices were similar, and the casting almost certainly reflects Giorno's parentage.
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Episode 12 was okay.

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Santana seems like a cross between a superbeing and a primitive one. Makes him interesting, I guess, but ill-suited for the role of a long-term villain. Hopefully he sheds that primitive streak soon or else.

Lots of censorship this week.

Joseph didn't have too many great moments this week. Cactus fight was okay but I didn't like that the Nazi was so easily defeated when he was someone capable of pursuing a motorcycle on foot across long distances. Fugly oglers fight was just a dumb scene in general. Finally the Ripple Hair fight was ... umm ... ^^;

Oh, how I've missed Grandpa Speedwagon's play-by-play commentaries!

Santana's absorption ability is pretty formidable, and an interesting answer to the question "What is the logical extreme of vampiric devouring?"

Carlos Santana. There, I said it.

Hoping the next episode will develop all of the new main characters more.
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:34 AM   #49
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Here's something curious.

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This video is from 1980, and the young man is a 20-year old Araki Hirohiko. The main he meets at the beginning is none other than Osamu Tezuka! Araki was one of the rising stars of manga back when the community of manga-ka was so small, Araki got to meet the movers & shakers of the first and second generation of manga-ka at this small celebration. Quite remarkable, I'd say.
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Episode 13 was pretty good and felt like a double feature's worth of content. God bless this series' pacing.

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Doppel, does sunlight merely return a Pillar Man to stone? Once turned to stone, does he require blood all over again to be freed?

Stroheim definitely earned our respect this week for his bravery and sense of duty. He may not have been admirable for lack of good morals or wisdom, but respect him we can.

I see what Doppel meant about Joseph having to think outside the box. His lack of training showed this week, but he made up for it time and again with brilliant ideas. Letting himself get absorbed to do a Ripple from inside? Fooling Santana into picking the well by making it seem like he didn't want Santana to choose the well? Well done, Joseph Joestar.

More Pillar Men in Europe?

Still no sign of JoJo's blond sidekick.
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