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Old 06-30-2012, 11:25 PM   #1
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Mewtwo UPN Pokemon World Championship Tournament

FOR THE BATTLE LOGS!!!
FOR THE TEAMS!!!!
FOR THE TOURNAMENT BRACKET!!!!


So, after the great success of the Monotype tournament, and the UPN Tournament, I figured it might be a good time for use to have another one of these. Since it has been circa four months since the last tournament and probably quite a bit longer since the tournament's heyday, it should be appropriate.

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UPN POKEMON WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP TOURNAMENT!!!

Since Serebii's reveal of the teams of each Gym Leader and Champion in the Black 2 and White 2 Pokemon World Championship, I though that we could have our own little tournament to not only kick off the release of Black 2 and White 2, but to also boost the battling atmosphere because there are so little people nowadays battling.

Here are the teams of each Gym Leader and Champion, courtesy of Serebii.

Now, as you can see, each team contains a good mix of competitively useful Pokemon such as Ferrothorn and Excadrill to some really poor Pokes likes Unfezant and Heatmor. Since a lot of this is going to be up in the air, I think it would be up to you guys to decide some of what of the rules are, since I have a few ideas.

Here are a few of the concrete rules though:
1. You have to use the Pokemon on the team. For example, no Espeon for Red since he doesn't use an Espeon in the tournament. This also means that quite a few Gym Leaders like Roxie and Byron get some nice additions to their groups.
2. Standard PO rules: Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, Specie Clause, Self-KO Clause, Item Clause.
3. This should go without saying, but Chili/Cress/Cilan count as different Gym Leaders despite having the same gym.
4. Abilities and EV's are up to your choosing. If, however, we see that a Pokemon is going to be too powerful with a chosen ability(like Sand Rush Excadrill), then it is going to banned from the start.



Now, here are the things you guys get to pick:
1. Who should we use for teams? It is going to RNGed of course, possibly Livestreamed by someone who can do it or Skyped, but, out of what pool? Should we Champions first and then open the entire pool up? Or should it be picked out of the some-odd 53 Gym Leaders and Champions in the beginning?
2. Do you guys want to use the sets that the Gym Leaders and Champions use themselves(despite them being somewhat poor), or, do you want to pick your own sets? I say the former is easiest because you don't ever have to worry about breaking the item clause, but, it also makes it easier to see your opponent's(and your) sets.
3. Round Robin, or a Double Elimination tournament? A Double Elimination tournament gives you a second chance at getting the crown if you lose, but, a Round Robin allows you to fight each and every person, though, it may get ungainly if it grows to big.

We are going to use PO(since it makes it easier to record and save the battles), and, use the Replayer because it is a pretty cool gift.

Before we start, there is going to be some Pokemon banning rules:
Garchomp is NOT banned if not in Sand. If your team has Sand in it somehow, use Rough Skin.
Excadrill with Sand Rush IS banned. Straight. Use Sand Force or Mold Breaker.
Drizzle + Swift Swim IS banned. There is a team that has Kingdra and Politoed on it.
Speed Boost Blaziken IS banned. Despite FW's (wrong) moaning, it will be banned. Use Blaze.
If the Dream World ability is not released(except in the case of banned Pokemon), then don't use it.

Pinch berries are not banned because they are technically released through Join Avenue.

So, for those of you who are interested at a quick glance what each Gym Leader is getting, check only here for the info:
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Cilan: Simisage/Ferrothorn/Serperior/Jumpluff/Whimsicott/Lilligant/Maractus
Chili: Simisear/Camerupt/Heatmor/Darmanitan/Arcanine/Magmortar/Emboar
Cress: Simipour/Crawdaunt/Samurott/Azumarill/Slowking/Seismitoad/Golduck/Floatzel/Basculin
Cheren: Stoutland/Porygon-Z/Cincinno/Lickilicky/Castform/Bouffalant/Zangoose/Lopunny
Roxie: Scoliopede/Toxicroak/Garbodor/Crobat/Drapion/Amoonguss/Seviper
Lenora: Wacthog/Cincinno/Braviary/Sawsbuck/Kangaskhan/Lickilicky/Audino/Clefable/Dunsparce
Burgh: Leavanny/Vespiquen/Crustle/Heracross/Accelgor/Durant/Escavalier
Elesa: Zebstrika/Ampharos/Luxray/Emolga/Eelektross/Stunfisk/Galvantula
Clay: Excadrill/Flygon/Krookodile/Seismitoad/Mamoswine/Golurk/Claydol
Skyla: Swanna/Jumpluff/Drifblim/Mandibuzz/Archeops/Braviary/Unfezant/Swoobat
Brycen: Cryogonal/Beartic/Vanilluxe/Weavile/Dewgong/Walrein
Draycen: Haxorus/Druddigon/Hydreigon/Flygon/Altraria/Salamence
Marlon: Jellicent/Carracosta/Starmie/Quagsire/Cloyster/Wailord/Alomomola/Mantine
Brock: Onix/Golem/Kabutops/Tyranitar/Aerodactyl/Rhyperior/Omastar/Relicanth
Misty: Starmie/Seaking/Lanturn/Jellicent/Lapras/Quagsire/Blastoise/Golduck/Slowbro
Lt.Surge: Raichu/Electrode/Magnezone/Electrivire/Jolteon/Lanturn/Ampharos
Erika: Vileplume/Venusaur/Cradily/Exeggutor/Tangrowth/Abomasnow/Bellosom/Victreebel
Janine: Venomoth/Weezing/Nidoqueen/Crobat/Roserade/Tentacruel/Ariados/Arbok
Sabrina: Alakazam/Metagross/Exeggutor/Slowking/Espeon/Sigilyph/Hypno/Mr.Mime/Jynx
Blaine: Arcanine/Ninetales/Charizard/Magmortar/Flareon/Rotom-H/Rapidash
Giovanni: Rhyperior/Hippowdon/Garchomp/Krookodile/Nidoking/Nidoqueen/Gliscor/Golem/Marowak/Sandslash
Falkner: Pidgeot/Crobat/Aerodactyl/Honchkrow/Xatu/Swellow/Fearow/Dodrio/Noctowl
Bugsy: Scizor/Shuckle/Heracross/Pinsir/Armaldo/Yanmega/Forretress
Whiney: Miltank/Blissey/Tauros/Ambipom/Ursaring/Lopunny/Clefable/Wigglytuff
Morty: Gengar/Mismagius/Banette/Dusknoir/Chandelure/Frosslass/Sableye
Chuck: Poliwrath/Machamp/Hitmontop/Hitmonchan/Hitmontop/Conkeldurr
Jasmine: Steelix/Magnezone/Forretress/Skarmory/Metagross/Lucarilo/Mawile
Pryce: Mamoswine/Jynx/Dewgong/Cloyster/Lapras/Weavile
Clair: Dragonite/Kingdra/Altaria/Salamence/Druddigon/Garchomp
Roxanne: Probopass/Armaldo/Cradily/Aggron/Carracosta/Golem/Relicanth
Brawly: Hariyama/Scrafty/Medicham/Breloom/Machamp/Meinshao/Hitmontop/Heracross
Wattson: Manectric/Magnezone/Electrode/Rotom-W/Ampharos/Plusle/Minun/Raichu
Flannery: Torkoal/Camerupt/Chandelure/Magcargo/Blaziken/Houndoom/Magmortar
Norman: Slaking/Spinda/Kecleon/Ambipom/Boufflant/Staraptor/Exploud/Zangoose/Castform/Sawsbuck
Winona: Altaria/Sigilyph/Pelipper/Gyarados/Swellow/Skarmory/Tropius/Honchkrow
Tate: Solrock/Xatu/Bronzong/Reuniclus/Gallade/Claydol/Chimecho/Grumpig
Lisa: Lunatone/Xatu/Bronzong/Gothitelle/Gardevoir/Claydol/Chimecho/Grumpig
Juan: Kingdra/Walrein/Crawdaunt/Whiscash/Relicanth/Politoed/Huntail/Gorebyss
Roark: Rampardos/Probopass/Archeops/Sudowoodo/Crustle/Onix/Golem/Relicanth
Gardenia: Roserade/Tropius/Carnivine/Breloom/Cherrim/Tangrowth/Leafeon/Torterra
Fantina: Mismagius/Drilblim/Spiritomb/Dusknoir/Jellicent/Rotom/Gengar
Maylene: Lucario/Infernape/Toxicroak/Machamp/Medicham/Gallade
Wake: Floatzel/Empoleon/Ludicolo/Lumineon/Gastrodon/Poliwrath/Quagsire/Gyarados
Byron: Bastiodon/Excadrill/Bronzong/Magnezone/Aggron/Forretress
Candice: Froslass/Abomasnow/Weavile/Glaceon/Mamoswine/Glalie
Volkner: Electrivire/Luxray/Raichu/Rotom-S/Rotom/Jolteon/Electrode
Blue: Aerodactyl/Exeggutor/Gyarados/Alakazam/Arcanine/Machamp
Lance: Dragonite/Salamence/Kingdra/Hydreigon/Haxorus/Flygon
Steven: Metagross/Aggron/Excadrill/Archeops/Cradily/Armaldo
Wallace: Milotic/Sharpedo/Walrein/Ludicolo/Swampert/Starmie
Cynthia: Garchomp/Spiritomb/Togekiss/Lucario/Roserade/Glaceon
Alder: Volcarona/Conkeldurr/Reuniculus/Krookodile/Chandelure/Braviary
Red: Venusaur/Charizard/Blastiose/Pikachu/Snorlax/Lapras





Above all, have fun folks!

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Old 06-30-2012, 11:43 PM   #2
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I'll sign up, but I'm going on vacation for three weeks. So if I would hold things up, I wouldn't mind being scratched. Now, for your points of discussion...

1. I think it should be an RNG from the whole pool of trainers. Example, person number one might get Cynthia, while person number two gets Juan, and person number three gets Bugsy, and so on.

2. I'd say pick your own sets. It lets people be more creative that way, and would stop people from getting crappy movesets that might cost them a match.

3. Double Elim. Round Robin has been shown in the past to be slow, and not get finished. I'd say double elim would make it faster, and more likely for everyone to get their battles finished.
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Old 06-30-2012, 11:52 PM   #3
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3. Double Elim. Round Robin has been shown in the past to be slow, and not get finished. I'd say double elim would make it faster, and more likely for everyone to get their battles finished.
No. You've been around for two tournaments in recent memory. One was coordinated by me, was a modified Round Robin format with strictly enforced deadlines, and was successfully over only 14 days after it began. The other was coordinated by LC, was also a modified Round Robin format but with loose to non-existent deadlines, and wound up being a disaster in which only two of seventeen participants even managed to fight all of their matches. The moral of the story is therefore not that Round Robin does not work but that that the coordinator plays an important role in the success or failure of his tournament and that strictly enforced deadlines are key.

If you want to do double elimination, by all means go for it. That is a tried-and-true format and it was the format of choice of Loki's OU tournament back in Summer 2010. But don't write off the Round Robin format as a failed format.
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Old 07-01-2012, 12:00 AM   #4
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I'm rusty as shit but this seems fun. Sign me up.

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Old 07-01-2012, 12:09 AM   #5
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Since we got some interest brewing, let me post who is signed up:

-Blaze
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Also, as a minor point for those who don't know, we will be in the UPN channel on the Pokemon Online servor.
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Old 07-01-2012, 12:26 AM   #6
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Uh hey sure I guess.
I can't be here from the 22nd-29th, though.
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Old 07-01-2012, 02:24 AM   #8
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Old 07-01-2012, 02:29 AM   #9
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Hmmm...

Why not, I have PO.
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Old 07-01-2012, 08:21 AM   #11
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Old 07-01-2012, 08:44 AM   #12
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I'll give it a shot. Hopefully this starts after Tuesday when I get home.
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Signups are going to continue for the rest of the day. The tournament will start on Monday, but, Tdos can start of Tuesday.

Now, on the matter of importance:

We have only had one vote from Phoopes, so, if you guys can answer the questions that would be great. You can edit your post if you want to reduce thread size.

Also, would anyone be able to skype/Livestream the RNG rolls for Monday? Tht would be a great help.

I am also going to edit into the main post the roster for each trainer.
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Old 07-01-2012, 01:31 PM   #16
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I'm in. However I will be gone most of next week. I'll have PO with me, I just don't know how much access I'll have.

Also, I vote double elimination.
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Now, here are the things you guys get to pick:
1. Who should we use for teams? It is going to RNGed of course, possibly Livestreamed by someone who can do it or Skyped, but, out of what pool? Should we Champions first and then open the entire pool up? Or should it be picked out of the some-odd 53 Gym Leaders and Champions in the beginning?
2. Do you guys want to use the sets that the Gym Leaders and Champions use themselves(despite them being somewhat poor), or, do you want to pick your own sets? I say the former is easiest because you don't ever have to worry about breaking the item clause, but, it also makes it easier to see your opponent's(and your) sets.
3. Round Robin, or a Double Elimination tournament? A Double Elimination tournament gives you a second chance at getting the crown if you lose, but, a Round Robin allows you to fight each and every person, though, it may get ungainly if it grows to big.
1. All trainers, it's more fun that way.

2. God no. Fuck that, I want to use good stuff.

3. Round Robin, I like that style more.

Also, not sure if I saw it, but would we have to stick with the same team of six every match? Some trainers have 10 different Pokémon, some only have six - could we make sets for every Pokémon allocated and mix them around (like the monotype - use six out of a set nine), or are we stuck with the same team? I'd prefer the former, as the ones with only six are the champs - who already have good teams.

EDIT the first - Ice and Dragon trainers too, my bad. Not much choice there.

Also also, if you desperately need somone to RNG I can do it over Skype tonight if no-one else can.

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Oh yeah, forgot...

I can Livestream an RNG of it tonight, if you need somebody. That way everybody can watch.
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I'm interested if it's not too late.

but sadface on nerfing sand.
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1. All trainers, it's more fun that way.

2. God no. Fuck that, I want to use good stuff.

3. Round Robin, I like that style more.

Also, not sure if I saw it, but would we have to stick with the same team of six every match? Some trainers have 10 different Pokémon, some only have six - could we make sets for every Pokémon allocated and mix them around (like the monotype - use six out of a set nine), or are we stuck with the same team? I'd prefer the former, as the ones with only six are the champs - who already have good teams.

EDIT the first - Ice and Dragon trainers too, my bad. Not much choice there.

Also also, if you desperately need somone to RNG I can do it over Skype tonight if no-one else can.
You can rotate Pokemon. For examply, Cilan can use both a Maractus and a Serperior on one team, but replace Serperior with Simisage tge next team.

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I can Livestream an RNG of it tonight, if you need somebody. That way everybody can watch.
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whoever can do it. I might not be around but I will try to make it.

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I'm interested if it's not too late.

but sadface on nerfing sand.
Sand can be one of the most dangerous weathers, and I am trying only to make it easier for teams who my have no way of beating Sand Rush Excedrill or Sand Veil Garchomp. Plus, Rough Skin is arguably better anyways, and you can still use Sand Rush on Excedrill.
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Old 07-01-2012, 06:36 PM   #21
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Probably best if Phoopes does it tbh, Livestream's easier to let other people watch than Skype. Plus I'm probably going to bed soon.

>Sand

Only teams that have a Sand Streamer are Brock (Tyranitar) and Giovanni (Hippowdon). Giovanni has a Garchomp, but the only way Sand Rush Excadrill's going to be a problem is if someone draws Clay, Steven or Byron and goes up against either of them. Probably best to ban it anyways.
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Old 07-01-2012, 07:17 PM   #22
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I need to get PO again. Needles to say, pin me up on this thing.

EDIT alpha: might I suggest when signups close, a PM system is set in place where one can PM their first choice of person to the director (in this case, Blaze), and if they are the only one to request a certain champ or GL, they get the person from the get-go. That might make it a little easier, because that way, some people can get a niche favourite. Just my $0.02
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Old 07-01-2012, 07:35 PM   #23
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I like Kairne's suggestion, especially considering there are some super shit teams (like Brock) and some super great teams (like Dragon Champs).
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Old 07-01-2012, 07:42 PM   #24
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The only issue would be that everyone would ask for those teams and we'd end up RNGing anyway. I like the idea though.

Edit: also, which version of PO would we use? B2W2 or BW?
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Old 07-01-2012, 07:51 PM   #25
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B2W2 would be appropriate.

It'd also be a good way to usher everyone into the new metagame. Not that it's -that- altered. Well okay I guess STEALTH ROCKS ERYWHERE AGAIN.
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