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Old 06-12-2012, 06:55 PM   #76
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I hate Evolite. That's why I always have a Knock Off Pokemon.
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Old 06-12-2012, 07:19 PM   #77
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All it takes is one ounce of misclick, and it GG. Even Pory can't take +6 Extremespeed.
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Okay, bear with me for a minute. My damage calculator isn't working, so I did this one by hand. This formula is for maximum damage that +6 Linoone with Jolly nature (which is the standard), 252 Attack EV's can do against Eviolite Porygon2 with 176 Defense EV's and a Bold nature. Here's the formula, taken from Serebii.net...

Damage = ((((2 * Level / 5 + 2) * AttackStat * AttackPower / DefenseStat) / 50) + 2) * STAB * Weakness/Resistance * RandomNumber / 100

Damage is the number from damage output. Level is the attacking Pokemon's level. AttackStat is the attacking Pokemon's attack stat, attack power is the base power of the move being used, defense stat is the defending Pokemon's defense stat, STAB is the same type attack bonus, weakness/resistance is whether something is weak, neutral, or resists an attack, and random number is a random number between 85 and 100.

Now that that's out of the way, let's fill in the numbers.

Damage = ((((2 * 100 / 5 + 2) * 956 * 80 / 439) / 50) + 2) * 1.5 * 1 * 100 / 100

Presumably, Linoone is at Level 100, so I filled in the 100 there. With 252 Attack EV's and a Jolly nature, at +6 Linoone's attack reaches 956. ExtremeSpeed has 80 base power. With 176 EV's and a Bold nature, Porygon2's Defense stat is 439. STAB is present here, so that's why there's the 1.5. Porygon2 is neutral to ExtremeSpeed, so the damage is multiplied by 1. Your random number is 100 to get the most possible damage out of this as possible. Now let's solve.

Damage = ((((2 * 100 / 5 + 2) * 956 * 80 / 439) / 50) + 2) * 1.5 * 1 * 100 / 100

Damage = ((((200 / 5 + 2) * 956 * 80 / 439) / 50) + 2) * 1.5 * 1 * 100 / 100

Damage = ((((42) * 956 * 80 / 439) / 50) + 2) * 1.5 * 1 * 100 / 100

Damage = (((40,152 * 80 / 439) / 50) + 2) * 1.5 * 1 * 100 / 100

Damage = (((3,212,160 / 439) / 50) + 2) * 1.5 * 1 * 100 / 100

Damage = ((7,316.99317 / 50) + 2) * 1.5 * 1 * 100 / 100

Damage = (148.339863) * 1.5 * 1 * 100 / 100

Damage = 222.509795 * 1 * 100 / 100

Damage = 222.509795

Now, the set that I always use is 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 SpD with Bold nature. This puts Porygon2 at 374 HP. So...

222.509795 / 374 = 0.59494598

Meaning that at the very maximum, +6 Linoone's ExtremeSpeed will do about 59 or 60% to the standard set. Now I'm not gonna show all the work like I did for the maximum damage output, but here's the minimum damage output is 189.133326.

189.133326 / 374 = 0.50570408

Minimum damage output here is around 51%. Meaning that you're going to be 2HKO'ing Porygon2. However, that's with only 176 EV's in Defense. If we're running a purely physically defensive set, (which does happen often enough to be wary of it) you're either going to have a guaranteed 3HKO, or only a small chance of 2HKO'ing Porygon2. That's a far cry from "not being able to take +6 ExtremeSpeed."

So one on one with the pure physically defensive set, Porygon2 is going to be getting two hits in with either Thunderbolt or Ice Beam. That's an obvious 2HKO on a Pokemon with weak defenses at 75% HP in the best case scenario, once we account for Belly Drum and Sitrus Berry.


tl;dr My personal preference for Porygon2 would get 2HKO'd by ExtremeSpeed, but other variants would get 3HKO'd, and thus beat Linoone 1 vs. 1 with Thunderbolt or Ice Beam.

That's probably the most math I'll do all summer. Feel free to call me out on any mistakes, but looking over it, I don't think I made any errors.
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All it takes is one ounce of misclick, and it GG. Even Pory can't take +6 Extremespeed.
I love Linoone too, but Pory can take a +6 Espeed. In fact, I think that might of been what was sweeping my team.
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I love Linoone too, but Pory can take a +6 Espeed. In fact, I think that might of been what was sweeping my team.
http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Knu...VA--2012-05-16

Can anyone explain this then?

For some reason, the vid is gone and I don't have the log, but my linoone OHKOed a Porygon 2.
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http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Knu...VA--2012-05-16

Can anyone explain this then?

For some reason, the vid is gone and I don't have the log, but my linoone OHKOed a Porygon 2.
Maybe it was offensively EVed, or something?

Also, it's possible the Porygon 2 wasn't running an Evolite.
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Maybe it was offensively EVed, or something?

Also, it's possible the Porygon 2 wasn't running an Evolite.
IDK, its all possible.
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Daisy's bird team is really good. I rage at all of my misclicks that match. >>;

Also, Altaria is very good Blaziken counter. Proven.
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Old 06-13-2012, 06:46 PM   #83
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Daisy's bird team is really good. I rage at all of my misclicks that match. >>;

Also, Altaria is very good Blaziken counter. Proven.
Except her Blaziken does not have Stone Edge, which is pretty dangerous for Altaria.

Against 252/0 Altaria, LO Adamant 252 Stone Edge it does 90.4% - 106.8%. OHKO with SR. This is bulky Altaria.

Against 0/0, it does 110% - 129.9%. Guaranteed OHKO.
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I'd like to point out the Stone Edge wouldn't have mattered seeing as it was dead before it could use a move.
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I'd like to point out the Stone Edge wouldn't have mattered seeing as it was dead before it could use a move.
Oh, I see.......did you get to +2?
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Nope. Wasn't even +1 due to switching in purely to KO Blissey. The point with Blaziken (or any other 'mon) is to not reveal you have a counter to them at all, so they don't set up too horribly since they don't tend to think they need to.
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I am really surprised by this...because Daisy KNOWS Altaria and would have used Protect.

Weird.
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Except Altaria doesn't use Protect and instead Earthquakes, because I don't run Protect in my build Altaria.
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My Blaziken DOES have Stone Edge, it just missed and then my poor Supernova got KO'd by Earthquake xd;

But I think I won that battle anyway, right? I don't remember xd; *shakes fist at both Chansey AND Blissey*
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Except Altaria doesn't use Protect and instead Earthquakes, because I don't run Protect in my build Altaria.
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My Blaziken DOES have Stone Edge, it just missed and then my poor Supernova got KO'd by Earthquake xd;

But I think I won that battle anyway, right? I don't remember xd; *shakes fist at both Chansey AND Blissey*
Ah...so it was a hax kill.

Bad sneezy for making seem more important.
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You won through the magic of confusing a +2 Dragon Dance Altaria until it beat itself to death. All I had left to beat was your Xatu.
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Every time the last person leaves a channel on P-O, the channel closes. You have to recreate it by typing in the name and joining. When you do, you'll see that the server still remembers OP permissions, the greeting message, things like that; however, it resets all of the toggle switches (so you have to manually re-establish inviteonly, etc). I think the reason they do this is to keep the channel list from getting too unwieldy.
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I am considering returning to PO.

just a quick question.

they haven't banned Sandstorm in OU yet, right?
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just a quick question.

they haven't banned Sandstorm in OU yet, right?
Not at all. Just Exadrill.
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Old 06-15-2012, 06:17 PM   #96
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Not at all. Just Exadrill.
And Garchomp.

Yeah, all weather is useable in OU. Politoed, Tyranitar, and Nintetales are all OU. Hippowdon, Abomasnow, and Snover are BL. Hippopotas is UU.
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FW, the entire reason they ban these powerful weather sweepers is so they don't have to ban the weather itself.
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FW, the entire reason they ban these powerful weather sweepers is so they don't have to ban the weather itself.
but, but, Excadrill and Garchomp aren't broken. ;-;

...no, stop it me, don't get into this shit now.

anyway, that's good- I can't use my old sand team for that and a different reason (it got wiped when my computer crashed/did weird shit) but I'm happy now.
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