10-25-2011, 08:53 PM | #1 |
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Rozen Maiden
Sakurada Jun was once praised as the smartest boy in school. But Jun quits going to school altogether after something traumatic happens to him. Lonely and depressed, he spends his days and nights at home, browsing the Internet and purchasing random items of the Occult. One day, he completes an order form for a wind-up doll and places it in his desk drawer as instructed. Soon afterward, a large wooden chest appears in his bedroom. He checks his desk drawer but the order form he had placed in there moments before has vanished. Jun opens the wooden chest and discovers Shinku, a beautiful doll dressed in crimson. She comes to life and tells Jun that she is the fifth Rozen Maiden, the fifth in a line of dolls crafted by Rozen, a legendary master craftsman who lived nearly a century ago and was seeking to create the perfect doll: Alice. Shinku informs Jun that none of Rozen's works ever achieved the perfection he sought in Alice. However, each Rozen Maiden has the potential to become Alice if she wins the Alice Game. Jun soon discovers that the Alice Game is a dark, deadly ritual in which the dolls must destroy one another and claim one another's Rosa Mystica - the magic which embues the dolls with life. The doll who acquires all of the other Rosae Mysticae will become Alice. But is perfection worth the price? When Jun's life is threatened by one of the dolls partaking in the Alice Game, Shinku offers Jun an ultimatum: either he can die or else he can become Shinku's medium, the magical reservoir which provides a Rozen Maiden with magical powers, and she will save him. Jun's reluctant acceptance marks the beginning of his service to Shinku, a service which will end either with her death ... or with his. Rozen Maiden is an enchanting tale which explores the meaning of what it is to be imperfect and shows us how the quest for perfection may be what either drives us or destroys us. |
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Disclaimer: this list was written based on the anime version only. It was written based on Season 1 only. It was also written so as to minimize spoilers even for Season 1.
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Note: scores have been updated to October 2011 standards and impressions. Plot: 8/10. For only twelve episodes, Rozen Maiden does a remarkable 9/10 job at developing the plot (which largely ties into the characters). However, for a series as a whole, I would want to give it a 8/10, simply because they do not resolve a scene they show at the very beginning of the series. Characters: 9/10. Sadly, there aren't many characters. However, this series is only twelve episodes long so what do you expect!? Half of the episodes are "meet a new character", and all twelve episodes involve massive character development. Several facets of "womanhood" are symbolized by each of the Rozen Maidens, and it's done very well. Animation: 10/10 for when it aired, 8/10 or 9/10 for 2011. "I have not seen a series with such beautiful character design and background/setting design since .hack//SIGN," I wrote back in 2005. "We get to see Jun's apartment, Jun's school, Jun's dream, Hina's dream, Suigin Tou's dream, and Shinku's dream, among other locales. The characters offer even more wonderful design, in hair, clothes, and accessories." All of this is still true. What Rozen Maiden may now lack in technical detail, it more than makes up for in artistic quality. Music: 8.5/10. When I first saw the series, I gave this a 7/10 and felt that aside from a few battle tunes the soundtrack was overall ho-hum. Yet this cannot be correct as Rozen Maiden's OST is probably one of my most-listened to or most-hummed in the shower soundtracks ever. Particularly memorable tunes include Bara no Jubai (one of the songs that plays in many of Shinku's battles against Suigin Tou), Alice Game (Suigin Tou's "theme", if you will), and Shukuteki (another of the songs that plays in many of Shinku's battles against Suigin Tou). But then there are also the other memorable songs from Rozen Maiden: the ones that come to us from the comedy side of things. Songs like Jaaku na Takurami (from the infamous episode "Die Treppe") and Kanshaku (Hina Ichigo's "theme", if you will) are just as unforgettable. Replay Value: 7.5/10. Sadly, while Rozen Maiden is a great show, so much of its appeal relies on the answers to certain mysteries, and once you know those ... well .... That stated, the series is still quite pleasant to re-experience, particularly if you really enjoyed it the first time around. Overall: 9/10. A fantastic series with a few flaws. One of my favorite series I've ever seen. It's not for everyone; but for those for whom it does resonate, it'll resonate strongly and have you scrabbling for Season 2.
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Thoughts: a few short quasi-essays
WARNING: The contents of this post must not be read unless you have already completed the series. Under no circumstances should you expand the spoiler tags unless you've seen all three seasons. "Spoiler" really does mean spoiler! ^^; Essay 1: On the Dominant Theme of the First Season Spoiler: show Essay 2: a small blurb about how the romance in Rozen Maiden is very ehhhhhhhh (Note: thankfully, this is all but done away with in Season 2.) Spoiler: show
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Oh, it's only 12 episodes? Sounds good, maybe I'll go ahead and check it out then- wait, there's three seasons? =x
Sousei Seki sounds familiar for some reason.... *opens artwork folder to find it was the username of a GaiaOnline character request she drew* Well, that was random.
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Ouverture is the third, but I may have blotted my memory of it, because I can't recall any details.
Souseiseki has the same CV as Kokoro from Remember11. Aside from being tomboyish, her super feminine sister is way more appealing and famous. Suiseiseki is the source of the omnipervasive meme, "desu". I like Suigintou. Talon likes her because she's got this seductress act going on, but deep down she's such a pure soul, it's hard to not like her over the snooty Shinku. I remember Talon once posted this picture of Suigintou in a state of anxiety/uncertainty and was all "look at her! ;_;". Yeah, I did.
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So, I've decided to embark upon the adventure of catching up with all things Rozen Maiden. With regards to the original manga, I've only ever read as far as Volume 4. I tried to start from the beginning some time last year or the year before that but I got busy with school-related things and put it back down. I've never read any of the reboot. I decided the other day to change that.
Goal 1: to read all of the original series. Goal 2: to read all of the chapters that are out so far for the reboot. I intend to do things in order, but excitement has gotten the better of me ^^; and so I admittedly have already read the prologue chapter and the first chapter of the reboot. I gotta say, this is interesting stuff. More than one "Oh my God! " or "Holy shit! " escaped from my lips while reading this. While I'm not ordinarily a fan of alternate universes or alternate timelines, I'm certainly willing to overlook it in this case since Peach Pit felt (for reasons I still don't know myself, having never finished the manga nor read spoilers) that they couldn't tell the story they wanted to tell given the limitations of the very universe they'd written in the original story. And besides, the idea of alternate universes or timelines is certainly something that could arguably be said to have tied in to Rozen Maiden from the very beginning, what with the nature of the N-fields and LaPlace's Demon and all. Still, I gotta say that it's very fascinating how in the reboot ... Spoiler: show The chapter ends on a ridiculously exciting cliffhanger. Makes me that much more eager to finish the original manga and to then catch up with the reboot. If you're looking for something to watch, here's a friendly nudge to check out Rozen Maiden. It may not be a perfect series , but it's one of my all-time favorites, one that's very near and dear to my heart as a result. P.S. Spoiler: show P.P.S. CAN'T WAIT TO MEET REBOOT SUIGIN TOU.
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So, I've re-read Volumes 1 thru 3 and am now embarking into novel territory for me with Volume 4. I thought I'd offer a few thoughts and a ton of artwork before I press on. The manga is quite similar to and yet at the same time quite different from the anime. This is because of several factors. One, the anime and manga have different canons and do some things completely differently. Two, the anime and the manga sometimes have the exact same events (cel-for-cel) but they don't present them in nearly the same places. Like, the anime may depict it in Episode 12 (series finale) but the manga presents it way earlier in like early Volume 2. Then, vice versa, the manga doesn't do something until mid-Volume 3 but in the anime it's like Episode 5. Three, there are also quite a few things that both not only do identically but even present in the same order. Obviously, I knew all this already from back when I first got into Rozen Maiden in 2005, but I feel it's worth bringing up just because of how frequently I noticed it. It's very, very fair to say that the anime is more like "inspired by the manga Rozen Maiden" than it is to say that it's "a television adaptation of the manga Rozen Maiden." Everyone's favorite villain Suigin Tou is back and oh is she glorious. I've uploaded a lot of samples for you to check out. Major major spoilers have been edited out by me, but I'd still advise you to only click if you're not super-duper mega-spoiler averse. Suigin Tou pics: Spoiler: show In the third picture (it's a very slender column and easy to miss in this post, so be sure to spot it between Pics 2 and 4!), I really like how Peach Pit was able to convey the creepiness and doll-ness of these dolls. With just a few curvy lines and Suigin Tou's head already rotated 90 degrees, they give you this perfect mental image of her head quickly swiveling around to lay her eyes on Jun. It's creepy, it's awesome, it's Suigin Tou at her best. (You can see the very next page, actually, in Sample Image 4.) In the sixth sample image, you can see an example of Suigin Tou looking deranged. The anime did a good job of this, too, but they didn't do it nearly as often as the manga seems to. When she looks like this, it's pretty blood-curdling. Still, my favorite Suigin Tou is when she's either looking badass-sexy or just beautiful in general. For the latter, look to the very next picture (Sample #7). For the former, look at Samples #9, 10, and 11. Ten and Eleven were so awesome, in fact, that the animators took these exact cels and transplanted them into a different scene in the anime. While the context was changed, the badassery was not. Damn, she's one awesome villain. There are some other things Peach Pit drew pretty well that I thought I'd share. For the most part, I find Peach Pit's artwork to be very lacking. Very lacking. ^^; But there are some things they drew that are pretty nice. Expand this second spoiler box to see those: Other Nice Pictures: Spoiler: show So anyway, now I press on into Volume 4.
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A few months ago, I made it all the way towards the end of Volume 5 before putting the series back down, not because I was bored (quite the contrary! ) but because I wanted to make this post first. Well, I never did. ^^; And even tonight, I'm feeling a bit lazy regarding it. So ... I'm just going to focus in on the bits I want to most. But I guess first, some general recap stuff (to facilitate comparisons with the anime).
Volume 4 more or less polishes off the last of the Season 1 material. We'd already been tapping into Season 2 material in the previous volumes, but Volume 4 gives us closure for all the stuff we saw in the first season of the anime. Spoiler: show Volume 5 then comes along and it is grand. If you're a Rozen Maiden fan, this is the volume. The first chapter of the book is, without a doubt, my favorite Rozen Maiden manga chapter to date. So you can probably guess which chapter it is ... Spoiler: show After this chapter, we have the classic Season 2 comedy episode where Suisei Seki and Hina Ichigo do various things around the house, many of them well-intentioned, that end up causing a lot of property damage. It's great to see how so many of the awesome visuals from the anime were originally envisioned by Peach Pit themselves and were part of the manga. Later on in Volume 5, we finally learn the truth about why Jun became a hikikomori. It's quite different from the anime version and it would have surprised me more had I not known about it since like 2005 or so. ^_^; I think the anime's version is more beneficial for people in real life, that is to say I think that Anime Jun is a more relatable character for more people IRL than Manga Jun is, but I think Manga Jun's reason for becoming a hikikomori is more convincing and it also better fits his role in this story. Finally, one of the last things I saw in the manga before putting it down was ... Spoiler: show Yeah, sorry readers and sorry future self that this post isn't quite as good as the previous one. ^_^; But I'm eager to start reading the books again and so-- *sees the time* 2 o'clock!? D: Oh man. >_< I guess it's time for bed then. =\
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Manga came first, right? From how your were talking in the third post above this, you left an impression that the manga depended on the anime, rather than the other way around.
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The manga came first but:
1) My experience was anime before manga; and 2) Only the first four volumes' worth of material came out before the first season of the anime. Then some more material came out between Season 1 and Season 2. Then Season 2 ended. And then, some time later, so did the manga. So like I mentioned in last night's post, the manga was able to start borrowing ideas from the anime starting around Volume 5 -- and the first clear example is ... Spoiler: show It's a case of the adaptation influencing the original which then influences the adaptation and results in the two converging. Of course, the two remain divergent (and continue to diverge) on a number of important plot points, so in the end I'd still say what I said a few months back: the Rozen Maiden anime is more of a "based on / inspired by the manga" than it is a strict visual adaptation of the manga from print to television.
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So, after days of dilly-dallying and stalling, I finished Book 5 off the other day (I had only had one chapter of original content remaining) and started on Book 6, barely scratching the surface before putting it down for the day. Then today, I pushed myself to pick it back up -- what it is with me and being so lethargic when it comes to reading, I just don't know! ^^; -- and I absolutely loved it. I ripped through all of Book 6 (minus the first little bit, half or so of the first chapter) and all of Book 7 just now. A lot of the surprises I already knew about from years and years ago, but a lot of the finer details were news to me and there were even some original surprises still left in store.
I've only got the final, super-thin Volume 8 left to read; and with the way things were developing towards the end of Volume 7, I can already begin to anticipate the possible causes for the fans' disappointment with how the series came to an end. I think that if I were among their number back in 2006, 2007 and I were reading the manga as it came out in Japan that I too would be pissed that it was already ending, just when things were starting to get interesting and when we had so many unanswered questions still, but since I've known the ending to this manga was controversial and poorly-received ever since '07, and since I've been so very starved for new Rozen Maiden content all these years, and since I am such a huge dork-fan of the series, I've positively loved every single cel of these last two volumes. The scene at the bottom of the Sea of Consciousness (Phase 34): Spoiler: show The best team ever continues being awesome: Spoiler: show Oh wow, I've already written so much. @_@ ^^; I should try and wrap the other huge points up quickly then. And then I'll finish off discussing the art. The Seventh Doll: Spoiler: show So what's happening with Jun?: Spoiler: show Canaria: Spoiler: show Remaining pictures & commentary on artwork: Be sure to check out all the artwork in the spoiler boxes above as well, but here's a dump for the other pictures. Comments'll follow below. Spoiler: show Could keep writing more but it's been like 45 minutes now since I started writing this post. @_@ Time for me to take a well-earned break ...and polish off this wonderful manga! I'll offer final thoughts on the original series once I do.
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Read Chapters 41 and 42 Thursday evening but was interrupted by friends; and just finished Chapter 43, the final chapter of the original Rozen Maiden, just now. "WOOOOOOOOW ... " is what I said as I finished it. What kind of "wow" was it? Well, open the spoiler box to find out. But be warned! I'm pretty much spoiling the end of the original series for you. You should not click if you haven't seen the animes yet, intend to read the manga some day, etc.
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The chapters in the original series were labeled as "phases" while those in the second series are called "tales." I re-read Tales 00 ("How To Make a Girl") and 01 last night as well as reading Tales 02 and 03 for the very first time. I would have read more but I had to get to bed early and have been out all day today. In brief, the two things I have to say are:
1. It was glorious! -and- 2. It's not right to call this a reboot. I don't know where or who I heard that from, but from what I've read of the second series so far, this is in no way, shape, or form a reboot of the franchise. It's not even a sequel. What it is is a direct continuation from where we left off at the end of Phase 43. Yes, there is some (only some! two chapters' worth of material at best!) intervening material that happened Rozen Maiden series 1 : Rozen Maiden series 2 :: The Fellowship of the Ring : The Two Towers Just as Tolkien divided the material for those two books into a first half and a second half, so too, it would seem, did Peach Pit divide their story into two halves: a first half called "Rozen Maiden" and then a second half also called "Rozen Maiden". Just as you would never insist that The Two Towers is a reboot of the LotR franchise, so too am I now raising my eyebrows mega-heavily at those who misled me into thinking that the new Rozen Maiden manga was a reboot of the Rozen Maiden franchise. To explain what I mean more explicitly than this will require spoilers so ... spoiler tag away! Spoiler: show I will probably post again later today or tomorrow with some awesome Suigin Tou artwork. Some of it is weeks old that I've been meaning to share, others less old, and at least one is from a discovery last night. But before I end this post, that does remind me of one final thing to mention: the artwork in the new series is much improved. I'm not sure how much of an IRL hiatus the artist took between drawing Phase 43 and drawing Tale 00, but holy cow did she become better at drawing during the interim period. The manga's still got Peach Pit's characteristically scratchy or sketchbook-looking drawings but they're much improved over the actual scribbles that passed for drawings in many of the earliest chapters' cels. Some of even the most mundane cels here have been really quite pleasant to absorb with the eyes. Will want to share more eventually. For now, try this and this. As you can see with the thumbnail above, Peach Pit's artwork here really doesn't seem to scale well when you shrink it. ^^; I think it's because so much of their artwork is line-based rather than form-based.
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Through Chapter 05. Chapters 04 and 05 were so, so good. So so good! Man. What treats for fans of the franchise. What absolute treats. Discussion below. Boatloads of in-paragraph hyperlinks so be sure to look for them as you read. About the dolls: Spoiler: show About Jun: Spoiler: show
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Through Tale 11. The reboot that wasn't really a reboot continues to not be a reboot in any logical sense of the word as things get really exciting. Too much has happened to discuss in too specific of details or to share images of, but I'll offer some thoughts:
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;_; ... so ... I'm on Tale 21 right now and ... starting last chapter, the group who had been translating these from English to Japanese quit ... and some Russian /b/tard whose only grasp of English is broken chanspeek picked up where they left off. >.< Let me give you some example speech bubbles ...
"I don't want you to return me Rosa Mystica." ("They're always after me lucky charms!" >.<)By the /b/tard's own admission, his English isn't very good. So I'm 100% not making fun of him, I swear. I'm just ... frustrated that this is the only copy of the manga I am able to find. Can't find a better English translation, can't even find a raw. The only thing I can find is this P.O.S. translation. No offense to you, Mr. Russian Dude. ^^; I know you were just trying to help people out. That was very kind of you. But ... your English is so bad that I think I'd just as soon put the manga on hold if this is what it's come to. I think I'll skip ahead five or so chapters and see if someone new is translating it. Then I'll skip ahead five or ten more and check once again. If it's still the Russian /b/tard, then I guess my Rozen Maiden adventure ends here for now. If the Russian's work was only on Chapters 20 and 21 (oh please please please please please let it be so! ), then I'll finish reading his translation of 21 and move on. EDIT: It looks like he may have quit some time around Tale 25 or so, it's hard to tell without getting spoilered and I don't want to get spoilered. Anyway, going to try and keep going for now but ... this is getting fucking ridiculous. I'm getting pissed off now. I mean ... "Well, D I Y?" (I have no clue what he means by this. "Well, do it yourself?" doesn't make any sense in this context. Was he trying to say "Suit yourself?" I have no way of knowing. Don't fuck around with acronyms when you can't even use them correctly. -.-)Ugh. Again: I'm not harassing the guy for his inability to speak in fluent English, I'm just ... this translation is so poor that it's ruining my experience with the story. I'd much sooner read it raw than read it in this faux English.
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Through Tale 27. Really intrigued by where the ladies are taking the story, with good news and bad news abounding. Can't even go into it without spoiling people so ... into the spoiler box! But before I do that, first things first: the poor English translations continued into Tale 23. Then in Tale 24, it was still done by the same group but the quality had much improved. Then from Tale 25 forward, it doesn't even show any sign of who it was done by, and the English is just as good as it was originally. So I'm quite pleased once again. Good English translations are back in business!
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:o ... :o ...
Season 1 Episode 01 reply: Spoiler: show Wish I could say more but you've only just watched the first episode. Will be a lot easier to discuss stuff once you've at least seen through Episode 03. I'll go ahead and take this opportunity though to share some of that artwork I'd been meaning to share for a bit now. The first one is by one of my favorite eromanga artists. Really lovely, really well-drawn. The second one strikes me as something of a Gasai Yuuno reinterpretation of Suigin Tou but I like it in spite of that because of how wonderfully the artist drew her wings. The third one is one I've shown a few people before on Pixiv but I recently rediscovered it and I really quite like it. (It's a bit large though!) The fourth one I went ahead and censored the thumbnail because it's a Season 2 end-of-series spoiler but I didn't feel like putting it into a spoiler box. Don't click it if you haven't seen the first two seasons yet! Otherwise, yeah: very pretty. The artists are 冬扇, KzcJimmy, ねこみち, and 藍·Hallelujah, respectively. As for me, expect a manga update some time later today or tomorrow. The good news is, I finally got my hands on some nicely-scanned Japanese raws. The bad news is, the raws only go up through Tale 31, the English scanlations through Tale 36, and the manga itself is at around Tale 42 right now. Screwdom on all three fronts then. ("Not up to Japan," "Not up to Japan," and "Even Japan doesn't have closure yet. -.-") But I'm excited to read what awaits me in the final stretch of currently-available chapters. A huge cliffhanger plot twist met me at the chapter I last ended on.
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Through Tale 37 and a bit of the way into Tale 38 as well.
The shit is really hitting the fan in the Rozen Maiden world, both IRL and in-universe. First, IRL. Word on the street is that Rozen Maiden is in danger of not getting renewed for publication in Young Jump Magazine if it doesn't get a decent amount of votes in the next issue's postcard poll. Apparently it's been ranking at or near last place for the past few months and is in danger of getting axed completely. It'd be a shame if this happened. The plot arc Peach Pit has been writing for the past few years (Tales 26 thru present) clearly was meant to be the second-to-last major plot arc and set us up for one final plot arc involving the remaining key players. At the same time, it's so big in and of itself that if they had to make it the impromptu series finale, then they could. And that's what worries me. Not that it wasn't meant to be the series finale but that it both wasn't meant to be the series finale and yet could be rewritten into a series finale of sorts if they had to. I'd just as soon the series get cancelled in the middle of a plot arc, the girls get glum, the series goes into hibernation for a year or two, and then somebody picks it back up someday and they pick up where they left off. Now, as for how the shit's hitting the fan in-universe ... Every single picture I thought to share and possibly place outside a spoiler box, I then said, "You can't. You just can't. You'll spoil them." But some really awesome stuff has happened since I last posted. Some of it good, some of it bad, but all of it a big deal. Spoiler: show I ended up reading Tale 37 raw first because I had run out of English scanlations ... then it turned out the English scan for 37 came out, like, two days ago. So I went ahead and got it and ... discovered that the person who's been English translating Rozen Maiden for the past ten chapters speaks worse Japanese than I did in 2006. -.- Needless to say, I was upset. But I'm more concerned for my fellow Rozen Maiden fans. I debated all evening long as to whether or not I should say anything to them on Desuchan. I'm thinking that maybe in a few months' time, if I still have Internet access and am doing okay, I will volunteer to help QC this project. For now, I'm just going to try and put the frustration of the English rewrite-translations out of my mind, go back and read the chapters I already read in English now raw instead, and press forward with the raws.
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At your request, I watched through episode 03. As battle royales go, this is pretty weird. And I say this after watching a show where people do battle with cell phones.
Episode 02: Spoiler: show Episode 03: Spoiler: show I should mention some of the music in this show is very nice. I'm sure there's one sentimental piece I thought was particularly beautiful. The animation is understandably lower-budget, which is a shame because the some of the manga illustrations are really gorgeous. Depending on how much I like the story, I may or may not check out the manga just for the art. Can't say I'm typically a fan of goth-loli fashion, but dem ribbons and frills.
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05-26-2012, 01:45 AM | #24 |
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I watched the first season some time ago when /a/ was first obsessing over it, but I don't remember enough of it to go into much detailed discussion. It was weird, but in a good way.
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05-26-2012, 03:45 AM | #25 |
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That must have been in 2004, Muyo. o_O
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