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Old 04-17-2016, 12:14 AM   #1576
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ooh windy powers. Also i was suggesting keyboardkind for someone else I use bookkind. not that it is against the rules to doube up on strife specibus or anything
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Old 04-17-2016, 01:10 AM   #1577
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Old 04-17-2016, 04:00 AM   #1578
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Jeri and I had a nice conversation about how I would be a Prince of Blood, which fits pretty well and the couple of quizzes earlier on in the thread have confirmed as much.

I'm now sad, though, as I can't have an aspect icon without sharing one with Jeri.
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Old 04-17-2016, 08:41 AM   #1579
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I think Prince of Doom is probably one of the most potent combinations that Doom can have, as it pretty much makes you the master of Fate. Not only can you take your own fate into your hands, you can determine the fate of others and the systems that control them or that they are a part of.

But that said, it's also a classpect that is most likely to turn you into a martyr. Doom is an aspect tied really intimately to sacrifice, and with a class centered around destruction, you are somewhat ironically fated to sacrifice yourself in order to affect the fates of others. The Doom players we saw in HS were both understanding classes, two classes that in pretty much every other context do not necessarily involve a lot of engaging of the self, and they still made huge sacrifices (or were forced to do so) in order to contribute to their sessions.

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I think, somewhat ironically, you could actually argue that Jesus fits the Prince of Doom, sacrificing himself to defeat death and destroy the system that ultimately oppressed him and his people. It's a very potent combination but also one that eventually leads to the ultimate sacrifice.

Of course I would also argue that he would fit Lord of Doom.
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Old 04-17-2016, 09:13 AM   #1580
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Jeri and I had a nice conversation about how I would be a Prince of Blood, which fits pretty well and the couple of quizzes earlier on in the thread have confirmed as much.

I'm now sad, though, as I can't have an aspect icon without sharing one with Jeri.
I kinda would suggest you do it anyway. People will be able to tell the difference between you :P

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I think Prince of Doom is probably one of the most potent combinations that Doom can have, as it pretty much makes you the master of Fate. Not only can you take your own fate into your hands, you can determine the fate of others and the systems that control them or that they are a part of.

But that said, it's also a classpect that is most likely to turn you into a martyr. Doom is an aspect tied really intimately to sacrifice, and with a class centered around destruction, you are somewhat ironically fated to sacrifice yourself in order to affect the fates of others. The Doom players we saw in HS were both understanding classes, two classes that in pretty much every other context do not necessarily involve a lot of engaging of the self, and they still made huge sacrifices (or were forced to do so) in order to contribute to their sessions.

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I think, somewhat ironically, you could actually argue that Jesus fits the Prince of Doom, sacrificing himself to defeat death and destroy the system that ultimately oppressed him and his people. It's a very potent combination but also one that eventually leads to the ultimate sacrifice.

Of course I would also argue that he would fit Lord of Doom.
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You're actually absolutely right, which I find hilarious (and will most likely not share with religious non-homestuck people). You forgot Thief, though...although technically I think it would be Rogue. He literally took the burden of doom for humanity, which fits with the Rogue's Robin Hood style theme.

One could argue though that he's a Life player since both Doom players were cranky, edgy assholes who were creepily interested in the possibility of the deaths of others, even if they did have good intentions in the things they pulled.

Lord of Life would fit with the actual mythos (I think I've heard the phrase before...) and wouldn't be too far off the mark, though it is missing the sacrifice bit which is actually really important. Maybe it involves him giving up life in order to give life to all?


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To me, Seer of Blood has mostly to do with knowing how relationships would progress and manipulating people into the most beneficial relationships for them in much the same way as Heart players tend to...but with a lot more success and a great deal less clumsiness.

This is actually quite advantageous for a Seer who specializes in relationships and friendships; while you are not a Mage and typically carry out your understanding through inspiration and leadership rather than direct action, you would probably benefit from your classpect's natural understanding of inspiration and leadership. As you discern the ideal ways to organize your ragtag group of misfits into a fighting force, whether in a leadership role yourself or just as an advisor to someone you have decided would make a better leader, you will also find understanding of your own relationships with others and possibly use this information to find greater success in your endeavors.
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Old 04-17-2016, 09:58 AM   #1581
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I think Mage of Mind is a fun combination! I imagine a fully realized Mage of Mind would amount to being more or less a Mind Reader, being able to see and see through people's facades and the mental and emotional walls they put up. It would give you a really deep understanding of the minds of others, but you would also probably have trouble understanding your own mind and your "self". I think it's a really compelling classpect because it really reflects a sort of tragic dichotomy. It's a classpect that fits people who tend to be inclined towards Psychology and other studies of human nature, as they often know a lot about the minds of others but struggle with their own.
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Old 04-17-2016, 10:31 AM   #1582
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Actually for the first time I disagree with you! Mages don't have any reservations about using their powers on themselves. For example Sollux averted his own doom a few times (though he was an inactive mage which led to a lot of trouble). I don't see any reason why I wouldn't be able to figure myself out eventually :P
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Old 04-17-2016, 10:49 AM   #1583
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I think that you're right about that but it would be a struggle - Mages tend to look out a little more than they look in and while they can wield their aspect to their own benefit and with regards to themselves, they always struggle a bit with the inverse. In this case, the inverse of Mind is Heart, which represents the self.

That said, I think a fully-realized Mage of Mind would have a pretty good grasp over the self, but it would be a bit of a journey to get there.
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Old 04-17-2016, 11:19 AM   #1584
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So as a Prince of Time, I get to be a master procrastinator and smash clocks, right? ;p But yeah, I've got a dangerous combo. Time is already somewhat associated with destruction so I'm definitely a fighter of the group.
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Old 04-17-2016, 11:23 AM   #1585
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Old 04-17-2016, 11:56 AM   #1586
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Old 04-17-2016, 12:52 PM   #1587
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P sure Mind players get along well! If you wanna mind-meld later I'm dtf ;o

>Mindy stuff

Mind is a weird one because Mind and Heart are the closest-aligned of all the "opposites." Passion and emotion are both very much a product of the mind, and your behavior and conclusions are influenced strongly by your emotions. Though they're ideologically opposed, it's definitely not to the same degree as the other aspects are. Being good at Mind does involve knowing the other person's passions and motivations, while being good at Heart involves reading people's behavior and deducing their passions from it.

This is actually a really interesting conclusion to make - what if players don't just struggle with the opposite aspect, but that it's their actual intended struggle? I.E. in order to become fully realized, you must know not only your aspect but have some knowledge and understanding of your opposing aspect?

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John working together with the people who needed him - Breath/Blood
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Last one is reaching but it all sort of checks out; relating to the opposite aspect has something to do with growing as a person and becoming fully realized.
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Old 04-17-2016, 02:41 PM   #1588
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Do you have trouble understanding the classpect system as laid out in quizzes, wikis, and analyses?

You: maybe

Well fear no more! Welcome to SHUCKLE'S CLASSPECT PRIMER.

The CLASS system is based off of two variables. The first is your STYLE and the second is your METHOD.

STYLE is a simple sliding scale from -7 to +7 (with each class occupying one spot on the number line and with no neutral classes). +7 is Muse, the most passive class, and -7 is Lord, the most active class.

UU: the +/- distinction can mean many things, bUt coUld be qUite roUghly sUmmed Up in this way: active classes exploit their aspect to benefit themselves, while passive classes allow their aspect to benefit others.

METHOD is the thing you do. There are 6 methods (ordered from most to least extreme):

EMBODIMENT/CONTROL
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DESTRUCTION
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EXPLOITATION
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CREATION

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Embodiment/Inspiring| Muse | N/A | FEMALE ONLY |
Control/Dominating | N/A | Lord | MALE ONLY |
Change/Modifying | Heir (MALE ONLY) | Witch (FEMALE ONLY) |
Destruction | Bard | Prince | MALE ONLY |
Understanding | Seer | Mage |
Exploitation | Page | Knight |
Allocation/Stealing | Thief | Rogue |
Creation and Healing | Sylph | Maid | FEMALE ONLY |


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Select your method from the left column, then move along the row to see the classes that fit your method. Use this Ultimate Classpect Post to discover a lil more about yourself.

If you can't come up with your method, use quizzes to figure out what classes you consistently get placed as, then use the chart to interpret your results.

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Cardinal Aspects
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Time | Space
Doom | Life

Personal Aspects:
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Mind | Heart
Breath | Blood

Informational Aspects:
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Rage | Hope
Void | Light

The first aspect in any pair is Destructive, whereas the second half is Constructive.


Aspects seem to be based on personality in a similar way to Classes, but with less of a focus on method and style and more of a focus on decision making and thought processes. Even then it's still really confusing and messy to try to figure out how to sort people into specific aspects.

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You: Can't you make a convenient, reliable, enjoyable quiz based on your analysis to make this decision easier for me

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My best guess at the number system (including this mysterious tweet: http://web.archive.org/web/201602241...83655820042240). I ensured that each class was the precise opposite of its counterpart, as well, since with Hussie that's probably a significant piece of that puzzle.

7: Muse - Female (Master class)
6: Heir - Male
5: Bard - Male
4: Seer
3: Page
2: Rogue
1: Sylph - Female
-1: Maid - Female
-2 Thief
-3: Knight
-4: Mage
-5: Prince - Male
-6: Witch - Female
-7: Lord - Male (Master class)

I'm actually most interested in the neutral classes, Sylph/Maid and Thief/Rogue, to understand the way the passive/active system works. My hunch is that passive = embody, while active = control. After all, Lord involves full control, while Muse involves full embodiment.

Infinitywhale put Rogue as passive and Thief as active because Thief benefits itself while Rogue benefits the group. I actually disagree. Thief takes for itself and adds to its own embodiment; while it does use the things it takes, it is not as passive as something like Heir which barely has any control over its powers. Rogue, on the other hand, is actually fairly active, manipulating its aspect directly and exerting control over it, albeit in a way that makes it sort of embody whatever its aspect is by sharing it with the group it's in.

Maid and Sylph are the most neutral classes. Both of them embody and control their aspects in similar amounts, and the Sylph does a lot of stuff for a supposedly passive class.
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Old 04-17-2016, 04:15 PM   #1589
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Infinitywhale put Rogue as passive and Thief as active because Thief benefits itself while Rogue benefits the group. I actually disagree. Thief takes for itself and adds to its own embodiment; while it does use the things it takes, it is not as passive as something like Heir which barely has any control over its powers. Rogue, on the other hand, is actually fairly active, manipulating its aspect directly and exerting control over it, albeit in a way that makes it sort of embody whatever its aspect is by sharing it with the group it's in.
Isn't it canon that the thief is active and the rogue is passive? Like I'm pretty certain I just read that.
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Old 04-17-2016, 04:31 PM   #1590
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Oh god dammit Calliope why do you fuck up everything.

Reviewing and revising.

EDIT: Okay so Calliope rly did fuck up everything. It's really hard to come up with a specific definition for active and passive and I honestly way preferred my system of control vs embodiment. :X
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Old 04-18-2016, 01:29 AM   #1591
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Ok an irl friend showed me to a different test that I don't think has been linked yet? If it was I missed it, but I felt like this one gave me the most accurate result of the ones I tried, and it felt the most complete. Got Knight of Blood, and I have to really agree with it. Also actually started this thing, so slowly making progress lol
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That test is so far away from everything canon that it actually enters into its own canon and cannot actually be called Homestuck at all anymore.
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I basically just ignored the noncanon ones, but yeah idk anything else about it really. At the very least it makes for a great personality quiz is general.
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I forgot where the link for it was, but I did once take a very long test that only contributed towards Canon stuff. For that, (It was two years ago), I got Knight of Doom. If I can manage to ask the friends who took it with me about it, I'm sure we can dig it up. (Also I find it funny how I went from a Knight to a Prince).
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you know, Lost, I'm surprised you got Doom. I definitely would have pegged you as a Rage player :')
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Yeah so I'm really mad at past!me for going "I really hate the design of some homestuck characters I've seen from time to time" and creating a kinda negative stigma around it and never giving it a look.

Because it's really good so far still not a fan of some character designs but haven't gotten to any of them yet so eh
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Some of the characters are annoying but over time you do grow to love them.

Tavros is annoying and awful but he's one of the most endearing characters honestly.
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It wasn't really annoying, since I didn't know anything about their personalities. It was pretty much just me not really liking how most of the characters I'd seen looked. But yeah, it's been a nonissue so far in terms of actually reading it. Just finished Part 1 Act 3.
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