UPNetwork  

Go Back   UPNetwork > Independent Forums > PASBL > Suggestions and Inquiries

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 04-03-2011, 03:56 PM   #26
Lonely Cubone
Gee, Brain...
 
Lonely Cubone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 3,103
Send a message via MSN to Lonely Cubone
Protip: In the same way the Pokemon Musical will be.
Lonely Cubone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 04:01 PM   #27
Kindrindra
大事なのは自分らしいくある事
 
Kindrindra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Determined
Posts: 5,835
Then I propose we do the same thing to Doubles that we did to Contests.


See where I'm going? I understand not implementing Rotation battles (god, that'd be hard to cordinate), but Triples are perfectly doable. Though I propose people who ref Triples get a small bonus.
__________________
PASBL(TL: 4 RL: B-) --- FB (Kin Blackstone) --- WF (Adelie Fleur)
Quote:
Originally Posted by captainmisato View Post
People should watch what they enjoy regardless of what others think, even if it's a terribad guilty pleasure.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doppleganger View Post
Though, I also dislike the concept of lamenting the current day while wishing to re-experience the past. At least, my modern attitude is to try and make each new day magical even if it's not, since exclusively reminiscing about the past is too pathetic.
Kindrindra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 04:05 PM   #28
empoleon dynamite
Volcano Badge
 
empoleon dynamite's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 2,772
I don't think the whole only hitting adjacent opponents would be viable in ASB, I doubt either battle types will even appear in the Pokemon anime since they're a lot more gimmicky than doubles where.
__________________


FB PASBL TL 4
26-4-0 KO74 TP208
B Ref SP 2

empoleon dynamite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 04:06 PM   #29
Mercutio
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 14,729
I've been covertly working on triple battles for Muyo for a while now, gaining information on how they actually work and what we'd need to do to accomodate them. New attack descriptions eliminate some of the issues though.
Mercutio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 04:08 PM   #30
ZoraJolteon
BBCode Master
 
ZoraJolteon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,029
>I doubt either battle types will even appear in the Pokemon anime

Triple battles have been frequently occuring in the anime for the last 14 years
__________________

Superior Christmas Banner is Superior.
Also still looking for ref with brain, although not just now due to Tyranidos running in fear.
ZoraJolteon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 04:09 PM   #31
Kindrindra
大事なのは自分らしいくある事
 
Kindrindra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Determined
Posts: 5,835
Well, yeah, the only hitting adjacent pokemon thing is present in the games to show that the other pokemon is too far away to hit. The PASBL has this in ALL battles, so specially implementing it in Triples is kinda a non-issue.

Quote:
I doubt either battle types will even appear in the Pokemon anime
The Anime is made to promote the games. They will happen.
__________________
PASBL(TL: 4 RL: B-) --- FB (Kin Blackstone) --- WF (Adelie Fleur)
Quote:
Originally Posted by captainmisato View Post
People should watch what they enjoy regardless of what others think, even if it's a terribad guilty pleasure.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doppleganger View Post
Though, I also dislike the concept of lamenting the current day while wishing to re-experience the past. At least, my modern attitude is to try and make each new day magical even if it's not, since exclusively reminiscing about the past is too pathetic.
Kindrindra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 04:11 PM   #32
Concept
Archbishop of Banterbury
 
Concept's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Nipple-Hunting with Elsie and Kairne
Posts: 6,962
Send a message via Skype™ to Concept
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kush View Post
I've been covertly working on triple battles for Muyo for a while now, gaining information on how they actually work and what we'd need to do to accomodate them. New attack descriptions eliminate some of the issues though.
Which part of Muyo's "not in my ASB" did people not understand?

For one thing, clusterfuck. No-one would even come close to reffing them properly - I can count the number of people I actually trust to ref doubles on one hand. For another thing, having people get 6 KO's for as many rounds work is retarded, and I don't think a levelling system that's balanced and doesn't either allow frequent triple battlers to surge ahead or people who dislike them fall massively behind is plausible.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by PTerry
What can the harvest hope for, if not the care of the reaper man?
Concept is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 04:13 PM   #33
Kindrindra
大事なのは自分らしいくある事
 
Kindrindra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Determined
Posts: 5,835
Quote:
Originally Posted by Concept View Post
Which part of Muyo's "not in my ASB" did people not understand?

For one thing, clusterfuck. No-one would even come close to reffing them properly - I can count the number of people I actually trust to ref doubles on one hand. For another thing, having people get 6 KO's for as many rounds work is retarded, and I don't think a levelling system that's balanced and doesn't either allow frequent triple battlers to surge ahead or people who dislike them fall massively behind is plausible.

This entire arguement could be applied to doubles.
__________________
PASBL(TL: 4 RL: B-) --- FB (Kin Blackstone) --- WF (Adelie Fleur)
Quote:
Originally Posted by captainmisato View Post
People should watch what they enjoy regardless of what others think, even if it's a terribad guilty pleasure.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doppleganger View Post
Though, I also dislike the concept of lamenting the current day while wishing to re-experience the past. At least, my modern attitude is to try and make each new day magical even if it's not, since exclusively reminiscing about the past is too pathetic.
Kindrindra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 04:39 PM   #34
Concept
Archbishop of Banterbury
 
Concept's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Nipple-Hunting with Elsie and Kairne
Posts: 6,962
Send a message via Skype™ to Concept
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kindrindra View Post
This entire arguement could be applied to doubles.
Yeah it could, and in my opinion should, but we have doubles now so I doubt we'll get rid of them. Shame. Doubles is a lesser offender in all areas, though.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by PTerry
What can the harvest hope for, if not the care of the reaper man?
Concept is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 04:43 PM   #35
Kindrindra
大事なのは自分らしいくある事
 
Kindrindra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Determined
Posts: 5,835
*Not sure what level of emotion would be a suitable reaction*
__________________
PASBL(TL: 4 RL: B-) --- FB (Kin Blackstone) --- WF (Adelie Fleur)
Quote:
Originally Posted by captainmisato View Post
People should watch what they enjoy regardless of what others think, even if it's a terribad guilty pleasure.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doppleganger View Post
Though, I also dislike the concept of lamenting the current day while wishing to re-experience the past. At least, my modern attitude is to try and make each new day magical even if it's not, since exclusively reminiscing about the past is too pathetic.
Kindrindra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 04:45 PM   #36
Concept
Archbishop of Banterbury
 
Concept's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Nipple-Hunting with Elsie and Kairne
Posts: 6,962
Send a message via Skype™ to Concept
Doubles are in my opinion more broken than the old switch=ko rules, but that's kinda off topic for a gen V thread. Had I not derped a little with focus punch that would have been an easy one round KO.

Also SM vs Rangeet.

Bring in triples and we have this turned up to 11. Triples will go to the man who orders second, because he can almost always guarantee a KO, which means the opponent has to send out and order first again, and so on until the person who had the misfortune to order first runs out of fresh pokemon to put on the field.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by PTerry
What can the harvest hope for, if not the care of the reaper man?

Last edited by Concept; 04-03-2011 at 04:51 PM.
Concept is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 09:19 PM   #37
Muyotwo
Dominator of Bike Levels
 
Muyotwo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,309
I've never liked double battles either, but it's a relic from the before-time, so I've been hesitant to do away with it.

But back in the day where I actually cared about rankings and stuff I was always miffed that Hana would be winning double battles, while I would be winning singles battles and she'd end up racking up KOs much faster than I could.

PINKIE PIE IN JEALOUS OF HANA SHOCKER!
__________________
The Kim Il Sung of ASB.
Muyotwo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 09:45 PM   #38
S_M
Volcano Badge
 
S_M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: PA
Posts: 2,192
Send a message via AIM to S_M
>Also SM vs Rangeet.

Good times, good times.
__________________
TL6 - Former B+ Ref
Former Dragon and Prehistoric Gym Leaders
57 - 18 - 6
156 KOs - 376 TP - 10.75 SP
S_M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 10:24 PM   #39
Firewater
Volcano Badge
 
Firewater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 4,724
Send a message via Skype™ to Firewater
impications of Triple battles sucking-

we should test them before we say that they completely suck, though the argument about how it skews points and stuff is a large risk and the "if you order 2nd you win orders", perhaps we change switching rules differently for those fights?

also, Rotation battles I could tell would be far, far worse than triples, I wouldn't even trust myself with reffing one of those clusterfucks, and I'd bet my list for those who'd I would trust with those or even triples/doubles is just as small as Concept's
__________________
PASBL: Record: 61-55-8, 361.5 TP, 174 KO, 2.5 SP, Trainer Level 5
My ASB pokes
Firewater is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2011, 12:38 AM   #40
Shadowshocker
used First Impression
 
Shadowshocker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 6,033
Why would rotation battles be worse than triples? I can understand the implications of triple battles, but the way I'm thinking of it rotations are like triples - or, effectively, normal single battles - just that Pokemon not currently in the fight/orderable can be hit by attacks as well. However, we could put in a mechanic to say that if you do attempt to hit Pokemon that are further behind - or all of the opposing team at once - you expose yourself to increased energy usage, a greater chance of missing, spread-out and inefficient damage output, etc. Switching between which Pokemon gets to attack would be subsequently be subject to switching rules.
Shadowshocker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2011, 12:46 AM   #41
Rangeet
Foot, meet mouth.
 
Rangeet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Beyond the Wall
Posts: 4,328
Send a message via MSN to Rangeet Send a message via Skype™ to Rangeet
If Rotation battles are gonna be anything like the games, all the orders will have to be PMed...
__________________
Spoiler: show
Rangeet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2011, 02:35 AM   #42
Mercutio
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 14,729
Quote:
Originally Posted by Concept View Post
Which part of Muyo's "not in my ASB" did people not understand?

For one thing, clusterfuck. No-one would even come close to reffing them properly - I can count the number of people I actually trust to ref doubles on one hand. For another thing, having people get 6 KO's for as many rounds work is retarded, and I don't think a levelling system that's balanced and doesn't either allow frequent triple battlers to surge ahead or people who dislike them fall massively behind is plausible.
One day you will learn the difference between public statements and private opinions.

I say this having not chatted to him about it in several months. He may have changed his mind. I was specifically briefed to deal with his concerns, and come up with a way to eliminate certain things which would immedietly happen in triples under current rules. Pretty much have, but new moves mean a little tweaking and new descs eliminate some. Will probably get a beta going soonish.
Mercutio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2011, 11:05 AM   #43
ZoraJolteon
BBCode Master
 
ZoraJolteon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,029
homersimpsonguardsthebee.png
__________________

Superior Christmas Banner is Superior.
Also still looking for ref with brain, although not just now due to Tyranidos running in fear.
ZoraJolteon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2011, 11:09 AM   #44
DaveTheFishGuy
Primordial Fishbeast
 
DaveTheFishGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 12,257
Send a message via Skype™ to DaveTheFishGuy
THE BEE BIT MY BOTTOM

NOW MY BOTTOM'S BIG
__________________
Trainer Level 6 - A- Grade Ref - Dark Gym Leader



Fizzy Bubbles - Cable Club Post - Wild Future

Spoiler: show


Various awesome artstuffs by DaisyInari
Spoiler: show

DaveTheFishGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2011, 12:38 PM   #45
Jerichi
本✚能
 
Jerichi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: 蒸気の波の中
Posts: 14,502
I have a feeling that Rotation and Triple will quickly turn into "SPAM EARTHQUAKE" so.
Jerichi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2011, 12:40 PM   #46
Kindrindra
大事なのは自分らしいくある事
 
Kindrindra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Determined
Posts: 5,835
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerichi View Post
I have a feeling that Rotation and Triple will quickly turn into "SPAM EARTHQUAKE" so.
>Implying your teammates don't exist
>Implying Flying-types/levitators don't exist
__________________
PASBL(TL: 4 RL: B-) --- FB (Kin Blackstone) --- WF (Adelie Fleur)
Quote:
Originally Posted by captainmisato View Post
People should watch what they enjoy regardless of what others think, even if it's a terribad guilty pleasure.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doppleganger View Post
Though, I also dislike the concept of lamenting the current day while wishing to re-experience the past. At least, my modern attitude is to try and make each new day magical even if it's not, since exclusively reminiscing about the past is too pathetic.
Kindrindra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2011, 09:21 PM   #47
Shadowshocker
used First Impression
 
Shadowshocker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 6,033
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerichi View Post
I have a feeling that Rotation and Triple will quickly turn into "SPAM EARTHQUAKE" so.
Wasn't there a similar Earthquake concern over the release of emergency newquake? Most Pokemon (aside from Earth-types) will not be capable of more than one shot, and I'm also pretty sure that Earthquake magnitude will be divided between targets, teammates included, thereby making "SPAM EARTHQUAKE" not that much of a viable strategy. Long story short, rotation and triple simply allow for different strategies that will either be useful, useless, worked around or any combination of the above.
Shadowshocker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2011, 09:24 PM   #48
Jerichi
本✚能
 
Jerichi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: 蒸気の波の中
Posts: 14,502
Strategy viability aside, I think the idea of Triple and Rotation in the ASB is a fundamentally flawed one. Double battles are such a cluster to ref as it is, adding another Pokemon to the fray would just be an absolute mess.

I mean, I guess we can try a mock at some point but don't expect them to be legal any time soon.
Jerichi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2011, 09:42 PM   #49
Shadowshocker
used First Impression
 
Shadowshocker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 6,033
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerichi View Post
Strategy viability aside, I think the idea of Triple and Rotation in the ASB is a fundamentally flawed one. Double battles are such a cluster to ref as it is, adding another Pokemon to the fray would just be an absolute mess.

I mean, I guess we can try a mock at some point but don't expect them to be legal any time soon.
No, not expecting that. Just that I'm in agreement that a test would be necessary, and also agreeing that there are very real risks in allowing six Pokemon to simultaneously battle, noting that Kush half destroyed my Metagross in a matter of doubles (which is why I'm more for advocating rotation as opposed to triples).
Shadowshocker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2011, 08:24 PM   #50
Copygoo
超高校級 写真師
 
Copygoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Hope's Peak Academy
Posts: 2,723
A small thing that I doubt will be implemented but is worth mentioning: Razor Shell can apparently be used as a boomerang-esque attack, as show at 2:18 in this poor video.
__________________
asb

[i can't believe all of the things they say about me]
Copygoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation
Go Back   UPNetwork > Independent Forums > PASBL > Suggestions and Inquiries


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:09 PM.


Design By: Miner Skinz.com
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.