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Old 01-05-2011, 05:48 PM   #1
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War Stories

Didn't see a thread, so apologies if there was one already.

Anyway, I just returned to my apartment, downloaded Pokemon Laboratory, made a team (four DSmon, two WishListmon), and had two battles on their server. My username is Hikaru.

Battle 1
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The unique ID for this battle is {2011-01-06-00:14:28-1}.
Hikaru sent out Rasengan (lvl 100 Staraptor ♂)!
Zanretsu12 sent out Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross)!
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Begin turn #1
Rasengan used U-turn!
Metagross lost 29% of its health!
Hikaru withdrew Rasengan!
Hikaru sent out Gaius (lvl 100 Torterra ♂)!
Rasengan went back to Hikaru!
Metagross used ThunderPunch!
It doesn't affect Gaius...
===============
Begin turn #2
Zanretsu12 withdrew Metagross!
Zanretsu12 sent out Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ♂)!
Gaius used Crunch!
Flygon lost 35% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #3
Flygon used Fire Punch!
It's super effective!
Gaius lost 134/332 (40%) of its health!
Gaius used Wood Hammer!
Flygon lost 64% of its health!
Flygon fainted!
Gaius was hit by recoil!
Gaius lost 81/332 (24%) of its health!
Zanretsu12 sent out Milotic (lvl 100 Milotic ♀)!
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Begin turn #4
Milotic used Ice Beam!
Gaius's Yache Berry weakened Ice Beam's power!
It's super effective!
Gaius lost 112/332 (33%) of its health!
Gaius was frozen solid!
Gaius is frozen solid!
===============
Begin turn #5
Milotic used Surf!
Gaius lost 5/332 (1%) of its health!
Gaius fainted!
Hikaru sent out Kaisei (lvl 100 Starmie)!
===============
Begin turn #6
Zanretsu12 withdrew Milotic!
Zanretsu12 sent out Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross)!
Kaisei used Thunderbolt!
Metagross lost 35% of its health!
Metagross is paralysed! It may be unable to move!
Metagross's Lum Berry cured its Paralysis!
===============
Begin turn #7
Kaisei used Surf!
Metagross lost 37% of its health!
Metagross fainted!
Zanretsu12 sent out Kingdra (lvl 100 Kingdra ♂)!
===============
Begin turn #8
Kaisei used Psychic!
Kingdra lost 41% of its health!
Kingdra used Outrage!
Kaisei lost 201/262 (76%) of its health!
===============
Begin turn #9
Kaisei used Psychic!
Kingdra lost 43% of its health!
Kingdra's special defence was lowered!
Kingdra used Outrage!
Kaisei lost 61/262 (23%) of its health!
Kaisei fainted!
Hikaru sent out Tusk (lvl 100 Mamoswine ♂)!
===============
Begin turn #10
Tusk used Ice Shard!
Kingdra lost 16% of its health!
Kingdra fainted!
Zanretsu12 sent out Milotic (lvl 100 Milotic ♀)!
===============
Begin turn #11
Milotic used Toxic!
Tusk was badly poisoned!
Tusk used Earthquake!
Milotic lost 45% of its health!
Milotic's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Milotic regained 6% of its health!
Tusk is hurt by poison!
Tusk lost 22/362 (6%) of its health!
===============
Begin turn #12
Hikaru withdrew Tusk!
Hikaru sent out Fekbar (lvl 100 Scizor ♂)!
Milotic used Recover!
Milotic regained 39% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #13
Fekbar used U-turn!
Milotic lost 25% of its health!
Hikaru withdrew Fekbar!
Hikaru sent out Tusk (lvl 100 Mamoswine ♂)!
Fekbar went back to Hikaru!
Milotic used Surf!
It's super effective!
Tusk lost 326/362 (90%) of its health!
Milotic's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Milotic regained 6% of its health!
Tusk is hurt by poison!
Tusk lost 14/362 (3%) of its health!
Tusk fainted!
Hikaru sent out Rasengan (lvl 100 Staraptor ♂)!
Rasengan's Intimidate cut Milotic's attack!
===============
Begin turn #14
Rasengan used Return!
Milotic lost 56% of its health!
Milotic used Ice Beam!
It's super effective!
Rasengan lost 274/312 (87%) of its health!
Milotic's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Milotic regained 6% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #15
Zanretsu12 withdrew Milotic!
Zanretsu12 sent out Scizor (lvl 100 Scizor ♂)!
Rasengan used Return!
It's not very effective...
Scizor lost 37% of its health!
Scizor's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Scizor regained 6% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #16
Scizor used Bullet Punch!
Rasengan lost 38/312 (12%) of its health!
Rasengan fainted!
Scizor's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Scizor regained 6% of its health!
Hikaru sent out Belle (lvl 100 Togekiss ♀)!
===============
Begin turn #17
Scizor used Bullet Punch!
Belle lost 94/312 (30%) of its health!
Belle used Flamethrower!
It's super effective!
Scizor lost 75% of its health!
Scizor fainted!
Zanretsu12 sent out Milotic (lvl 100 Milotic ♀)!
===============
Begin turn #18
Belle used Air Slash!
Milotic lost 29% of its health!
Milotic used Ice Beam!
It's super effective!
Belle lost 124/312 (39%) of its health!
Milotic's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Milotic regained 6% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #19
Belle used Shadow Ball!
Milotic lost 10% of its health!
Milotic fainted!
Zanretsu12 sent out Gyarados (lvl 100 Gyarados ♂)!
Gyarados's Intimidate cut Belle's attack!
===============
Begin turn #20
Gyarados used Ice Fang!
It's super effective!
Belle lost 94/312 (30%) of its health!
Belle fainted!
Gyarados lost 10% of its health!
Hikaru sent out Fekbar (lvl 100 Scizor ♂)!
===============
Begin turn #21
Fekbar used Bullet Punch!
It's not very effective...
Gyarados lost 20% of its health!
Gyarados used Aqua Tail!
Fekbar lost 219/284 (77%) of its health!
Gyarados lost 10% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #22
Fekbar used Bullet Punch!
It's not very effective...
Gyarados lost 18% of its health!
Gyarados used Aqua Tail!
Fekbar lost 65/284 (22%) of its health!
Fekbar fainted!
Gyarados lost 10% of its health!
Zanretsu12 wins!
@Hikaru: gg
@Zanretsu12: gg
@Hikaru: I had fun,.


Battle 2
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The unique ID for this battle is {2011-01-06-00:32:30-1}.
markdeity sent out D: (lvl 100 Hippowdon ♂)!
Hikaru sent out Rasengan (lvl 100 Staraptor ♂)!
Rasengan's Intimidate cut D:'s attack!
D:'s Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
A sandstorm brewed!
===============
Begin turn #1
Rasengan used U-turn!
D: lost 29% of its health!
Hikaru withdrew Rasengan!
Hikaru sent out Tusk (lvl 100 Mamoswine ♂)!
Rasengan went back to Hikaru!
D: used Yawn!
Tusk became drowsy!
The sandstorm rages.
===============
Begin turn #2
Hikaru withdrew Tusk!
Hikaru sent out Gaius (lvl 100 Torterra ♂)!
D: used Slack Off!
D: regained 29% of its health!
The sandstorm rages.
===============
Begin turn #3
Gaius used Earthquake!
D: lost 33% of its health!
D: used Yawn!
Gaius became drowsy!
The sandstorm rages.
===============
Begin turn #4
Gaius used Wood Hammer!
It's super effective!
D: lost 66% of its health!
D: fainted!
Gaius was hit by recoil!
Gaius lost 96/332 (28%) of its health!
The sandstorm rages.
Gaius fell asleep!
markdeity sent out ^w^ (lvl 100 Abomasnow ♂)!
^w^'s Snow Warning whipped up a hailstorm!
The sandstorm stopped.
Hail began to fall!
===============
Begin turn #5
^w^ used Light Screen!
A barrier was formed!
Gaius is fast asleep.
Hail continues to fall.
Gaius is pelted by hail!
Gaius lost 20/332 (6%) of its health!
===============
Begin turn #6
^w^ used Blizzard!
Gaius's Yache Berry weakened Blizzard's power!
A critical hit!
It's super effective!
Gaius lost 216/332 (65%) of its health!
Gaius fainted!
Hail continues to fall.
Hikaru sent out Rasengan (lvl 100 Staraptor ♂)!
Rasengan's Intimidate cut ^w^'s attack!
===============
Begin turn #7
Rasengan used U-turn!
It's super effective!
^w^ lost 85% of its health!
Hikaru withdrew Rasengan!
Hikaru sent out Fekbar (lvl 100 Scizor ♂)!
Rasengan went back to Hikaru!
^w^ used Blizzard!
It's not very effective...
Fekbar lost 116/284 (40%) of its health!
Hail continues to fall.
Fekbar is pelted by hail!
Fekbar lost 17/284 (5%) of its health!
^w^'s Leftovers restored its health a little!
^w^ regained 6% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #8
markdeity withdrew ^w^!
markdeity sent out :P (lvl 100 Skarmory ♂)!
Fekbar used U-turn!
It's not very effective...
:P lost 8% of its health!
Hikaru withdrew Fekbar!
Hikaru sent out Belle (lvl 100 Togekiss ♀)!
Fekbar went back to Hikaru!
Hail continues to fall.
Belle is pelted by hail!
Belle lost 19/312 (6%) of its health!
:P is pelted by hail!
:P lost 6% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #9
Belle used Flamethrower!
It's super effective!
:P lost 45% of its health!
:P used Spikes!
Spikes were scattered around the foe's team!
Light Screen wore off!
Hail continues to fall.
Belle is pelted by hail!
Belle lost 19/312 (6%) of its health!
:P is pelted by hail!
:P lost 6% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #10
markdeity withdrew :P!
markdeity sent out (lvl 100 Tyranitar ♂)!
's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
The hail stopped.
A sandstorm brewed!
Belle used Flamethrower!
It's not very effective...
lost 12% of its health!
was burned!
The sandstorm rages.
Belle is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Belle lost 19/312 (6%) of its health!
was hurt by its burn!
lost 12% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #11
used Stone Edge!
It's super effective!
Belle lost 200/312 (64%) of its health!
Belle used Aura Sphere!
A critical hit!
It's super effective!
lost 75% of its health!
fainted!
The sandstorm rages.
Belle is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Belle lost 19/312 (6%) of its health!
markdeity sent out ._. (lvl 100 Mamoswine ♂)!
===============
Begin turn #12
._. used Ice Shard!
It's super effective!
Belle lost 36/312 (11%) of its health!
Belle fainted!
The sandstorm rages.
Hikaru sent out Kaisei (lvl 100 Starmie)!
Kaisei was hurt by Spikes!
Kaisei lost 32/262 (12%) of its health!
===============
Begin turn #13
Kaisei used Surf!
It's super effective!
._. lost 100% of its health!
._. hung on using its Focus Sash!
._. used Earthquake!
Kaisei lost 219/262 (83%) of its health!
The sandstorm rages.
Kaisei is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Kaisei lost 11/262 (4%) of its health!
Kaisei fainted!
Hikaru sent out Fekbar (lvl 100 Scizor ♂)!
Fekbar was hurt by Spikes!
Fekbar lost 35/284 (12%) of its health!
===============
Begin turn #14
Fekbar used Bullet Punch!
It's super effective!
._. lost 0% of its health!
._. fainted!
The sandstorm rages.
markdeity sent out :P (lvl 100 Skarmory ♂)!
===============
Begin turn #15
Hikaru withdrew Fekbar!
Hikaru sent out Rasengan (lvl 100 Staraptor ♂)!
Rasengan's Intimidate cut :P's attack!
:P used Roost!
:P regained 50% of its health!
The sandstorm rages.
Rasengan is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Rasengan lost 19/312 (6%) of its health!
===============
Begin turn #16
Rasengan used Close Combat!
:P lost 58% of its health!
Rasengan's defence was lowered!
Rasengan's special defence was lowered!
:P used Whirlwind!
Hikaru sent out Tusk (lvl 100 Mamoswine ♂)!
Tusk was hurt by Spikes!
Tusk lost 45/362 (12%) of its health!
The sandstorm rages.
===============
Begin turn #17
:P used Brave Bird!
Tusk lost 69/362 (19%) of its health!
:P was hit by recoil!
:P lost 8% of its health!
Tusk used Avalanche!
:P lost 18% of its health!
:P fainted!
The sandstorm rages.
markdeity sent out :3 (lvl 100 Froslass ♀)!
===============
Begin turn #18
:3 used Shadow Ball!
Tusk lost 133/362 (36%) of its health!
Tusk used Avalanche!
It's not very effective...
:3 lost 54% of its health!
The sandstorm rages.
:3 is buffeted by the sandstorm!
:3 lost 6% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #19
:3 used Shadow Ball!
Tusk lost 115/362 (31%) of its health!
Tusk fainted!
The sandstorm rages.
:3 is buffeted by the sandstorm!
:3 lost 6% of its health!
Hikaru sent out Fekbar (lvl 100 Scizor ♂)!
Fekbar was hurt by Spikes!
Fekbar lost 35/284 (12%) of its health!
===============
Begin turn #20
markdeity withdrew :3!
Fekbar used Pursuit!
It's super effective!
:3 lost 33% of its health!
:3 fainted!
markdeity sent out ^w^ (lvl 100 Abomasnow ♂)!
^w^'s Snow Warning whipped up a hailstorm!
The rain stopped.
The sandstorm stopped.
Hail began to fall!
Hail continues to fall.
Fekbar is pelted by hail!
Fekbar lost 17/284 (5%) of its health!
^w^'s Leftovers restored its health a little!
^w^ regained 6% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #21
^w^ used Protect!
^w^ protected itself!
Fekbar used Pursuit!
^w^ protected itself!
Hail continues to fall.
Fekbar is pelted by hail!
Fekbar lost 17/284 (5%) of its health!
^w^'s Leftovers restored its health a little!
^w^ regained 6% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #22
Fekbar used Pursuit!
^w^ lost 20% of its health!
^w^ used Blizzard!
It's not very effective...
Fekbar lost 47/284 (16%) of its health!
Fekbar fainted!
Hail continues to fall.
^w^'s Leftovers restored its health a little!
^w^ regained 6% of its health!
Hikaru sent out Rasengan (lvl 100 Staraptor ♂)!
Rasengan's Intimidate cut ^w^'s attack!
===============
Begin turn #23
^w^ used Protect!
^w^ protected itself!
Rasengan used Return!
^w^ protected itself!
Hail continues to fall.
Rasengan is pelted by hail!
Rasengan lost 19/312 (6%) of its health!
^w^'s Leftovers restored its health a little!
^w^ regained 6% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #24
Rasengan used Return!
^w^ lost 22% of its health!
^w^ fainted!
Hikaru wins!
@Hikaru: gg


I had fun both times. There were a few moments of lucky and correct prediction on my part, but that's part of what makes the game fun, I think. Kind of disappointed to see that ...

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... I only won by 1 creature in the second battle, but happy that I only lost by 1 creature in the first battle. I don't know if it means that I'm average in a sea of mediocre trainers or if it means I'm average in a sea of above average trainers. I'd like to think the latter, but I'm pretty sure it's the former. *sigh* lol Oh well. It wasn't like I was going to 3-0 or 4-0 on my first couple of tries.

Especially not with a WishList Torterra on the team! XD Poor Torterra. ;_; I want you to work, but you kinda sorta don't. (Although that Flygon KO was pretty spiffy. )
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Old 01-05-2011, 08:04 PM   #2
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Oh. So you don't want to battle your friends in a real game of Pokemon. But you will go around finding weird strangers with Pokemon named after smilies. Do we mean nothing to you?! I guess Morg and his amazingly hard Metapod just ain't enough for you.
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Old 01-05-2011, 08:39 PM   #3
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What are you talking about? I post a request for battle months ago and NOBODY has--

*sees Loki's post dated 10/31*

I mean, nobody has ...

*TEN THIRTY-ONE*

Nobody has ... posted since I did.

Oh.

I see that you posted.

Whoops.

Well, sure, I'd love to play. Just give me a time and rules and stuff.
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War Story #3

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The unique ID for this battle is {2011-01-06-03:42:08}.
Iminyourcloset sent out Willis Trennis (lvl 100 Skarmory ♂)!
Hikaru sent out Rasengan (lvl 100 Staraptor ♂)!
Rasengan's Intimidate cut Willis Trennis's attack!
===============
Begin turn #1
Rasengan used U-turn!
It's not very effective...
Willis Trennis lost 8% of its health!
Hikaru withdrew Rasengan!
Hikaru sent out Belle (lvl 100 Togekiss ♀)!
Rasengan went back to Hikaru!
Willis Trennis used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around your foe's team!
===============
Begin turn #2
Belle used Flamethrower!
Willis Trennis's Occa Berry weakened Flamethrower's power!
It's super effective!
Willis Trennis lost 43% of its health!
Willis Trennis was burned!
Willis Trennis used Torment!
Belle was subjected to Torment!
Willis Trennis was hurt by its burn!
Willis Trennis lost 12% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #3
@Iminyourcloset: *smirks*
Belle used Aura Sphere!
Willis Trennis lost 35% of its health!
Willis Trennis fainted!
@Iminyourcloset: awwww...
Iminyourcloset sent out Eduardo Gaul (lvl 100 Hitmontop ♂)!
===============
Begin turn #4
Eduardo Gaul used Fake Out!
Belle lost 56/312 (17%) of its health!
Belle flinched!
===============
Begin turn #5
Eduardo Gaul used Mach Punch!
Belle lost 78/312 (25%) of its health!
Belle used Air Slash!
It's super effective!
Eduardo Gaul lost 100% of its health!
Eduardo Gaul fainted!
@Iminyourcloset: ....
Iminyourcloset sent out WISHY WASHY (lvl 100 Rotom-w)!
===============
Begin turn #6
Hikaru withdrew Belle!
Hikaru sent out Gaius (lvl 100 Torterra ♂)!
Pointed stones dug into Gaius!
Gaius lost 20/332 (6%) of its health!
WISHY WASHY used Thunderbolt!
It doesn't affect Gaius...
===============
Begin turn #7
@Iminyourcloset: ...
WISHY WASHY used Hydro Pump!
Gaius lost 92/332 (27%) of its health!
Gaius used Crunch!
It's super effective!
WISHY WASHY lost 56% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #8
WISHY WASHY used Pain Split!
WISHY WASHY regained 22% of its health!
Gaius lost 58/332 (17%) of its health!
Gaius used Crunch!
It's super effective!
WISHY WASHY lost 50% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #9
WISHY WASHY used Hydro Pump!
Gaius lost 84/332 (25%) of its health!
Gaius used Crunch!
It's super effective!
WISHY WASHY lost 18% of its health!
WISHY WASHY fainted!
Iminyourcloset sent out Ima MONKEEY! (lvl 100 Infernape ♂)!
===============
Begin turn #10
Ima MONKEEY! used Fire Punch!
It's super effective!
Gaius lost 78/332 (23%) of its health!
Gaius fainted!
Hikaru sent out Belle (lvl 100 Togekiss ♀)!
Pointed stones dug into Belle!
Belle lost 78/312 (25%) of its health!
===============
Begin turn #11
Ima MONKEEY! used ThunderPunch!
It's super effective!
Belle lost 100/312 (32%) of its health!
Belle fainted!
Hikaru sent out Tusk (lvl 100 Mamoswine ♂)!
Pointed stones dug into Tusk!
Tusk lost 45/362 (12%) of its health!
===============
Begin turn #12
Ima MONKEEY! used Fire Punch!
It's super effective!
Tusk lost 210/362 (58%) of its health!
Tusk used Earthquake!
It's super effective!
Ima MONKEEY! lost 100% of its health!
Ima MONKEEY! fainted!
Iminyourcloset sent out Rosa Hunniey (lvl 100 Roserade ♀)!
===============
Begin turn #13
Tusk used Ice Shard!
It's super effective!
Rosa Hunniey lost 100% of its health!
Rosa Hunniey used Giga Drain!
It's super effective!
Tusk lost 107/362 (29%) of its health!
Tusk fainted!
Rosa Hunniey absorbed health!
Rosa Hunniey regained 64% of its health!
Rosa Hunniey's Black Sludge restored its health a little!
Rosa Hunniey regained 6% of its health!
Hikaru sent out Rasengan (lvl 100 Staraptor ♂)!
Rasengan's Intimidate cut Rosa Hunniey's attack!
Pointed stones dug into Rasengan!
Rasengan lost 78/312 (25%) of its health!
===============
Begin turn #14
Iminyourcloset withdrew Rosa Hunniey!
Iminyourcloset sent out Zelaminzo (lvl 100 Umbreon ♂)!
Rasengan used Brave Bird!
Zelaminzo lost 62% of its health!
Rasengan was hit by recoil!
Rasengan lost 69/312 (22%) of its health!
===============
Begin turn #15
Rasengan used Brave Bird!
Zelaminzo lost 37% of its health!
Zelaminzo fainted!
Rasengan was hit by recoil!
Rasengan lost 70/312 (22%) of its health!
Iminyourcloset sent out Rosa Hunniey (lvl 100 Roserade ♀)!
===============
Begin turn #16
Rosa Hunniey used Extrasensory!
Rasengan lost 95/312 (30%) of its health!
Rasengan fainted!
Rosa Hunniey's Black Sludge restored its health a little!
Rosa Hunniey regained 6% of its health!
Hikaru sent out Kaisei (lvl 100 Starmie)!
Pointed stones dug into Kaisei!
Kaisei lost 32/262 (12%) of its health!
===============
Begin turn #17
Kaisei used Psychic!
It's super effective!
Rosa Hunniey lost 77% of its health!
Rosa Hunniey fainted!
Hikaru wins!
@Iminyourcloset: gg
@Hikaru: gg


Final score: 2-0, my win


The thing I like about this battle is, I show that Smogon's phobia of flying-types in the presence of Stealth Rock is just absurd. Maybe not absurd when one is playing against the very best players, but certainly absurd when one is playing against fellow casuals who are juuu~uuuuust hardcore enough to know the advantages of entry hazards and have the desire to use them. I have two fliers on this team (Staraptor, Togekiss) and not once do I waste a turn trying to get rid of Stealth Rock (mainly because I don't have a spinner. Torterra probably should make room for one. >_>).

The other thing I like about this battle, though, is when Torterra single-handedly took out Rotom-A. Again, people think that if they use Smogon Pokés that they're 100% safe against people who don't and this is just ridiculous. A, why did this guy not call his Rotom back? B, why did he think Hydro Pump would work well enough to warrant Rotom staying in and spamming it?

There was one part I don't remember happening in the actual battle and that's the part where it reports that his Roserade lost 100% of its life to my Mamoswine's Ice Shard. IIRC it lost like 73% of it or so. If it really did lose 100%, obviously it should have died. (It's holding Black Sludge, not Focus Band or Focus Sash.) And I don't think it was even 99% or even 90%. Might have been, but I don't remember it playing out that way. I dunno, the life bars adjust so fast it's hard to tell sometimes.
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Old 01-05-2011, 09:11 PM   #6
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That guy wasn't a very good player in general. Keeping a Wash Rotom out against a Torterra when you see it losing the damage race is just bad gaming. It's like going to a gun fight with a toothpick and hoping you can poke someone to death before they get shot. He easily could have switched out and in more and did much more damage to you. Remember, when you switch to a more advantageous Pokemon, your opponent will also feel inclined to switch also. That's how Stealth Rock plays more heavily into the numbers, but mainly into taking advantage of lowered health. It is much easier to do 50/75/88/94% damage to an opponent with one strike from a sweeper than a >100% damage.

I have had matches where they were won purely because of the presence of Stealth Rock and/or Spikes and/or Toxic Spikes. They make a difference in the right hands and Stealth Rock only needing a single use to reach full effectiveness, it's easily the most efficient entry hazard for most people to use.
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Oh, I quite agree that it's useful. But you read the articles of The Smog (as I did this break >_>) and it's just dreadful how biased they are against flying. "So-and-so is weak to flying, but you'll never see Flying-type moves being used so don't worry!" "So-and-so is weak to flying but with Stealth Rock on the field you don't have to worry about birds!" Etc, etc. And it's just ... NO. En Oh, NO. -_-; People leave these gaping holes in their team's defenses to Flying and they expect Stealth Rock to compensate. It doesn't compensate, folks. What it does do is it offers a great way to whittle people's HP down. Particularly my poor Focus Sash Mamoswine. (Just look at the battle logs to see how he's fared, poor bastard.) SR is great for converting 3HKOs into 2HKOs and for converting a rare selection of 2HKOs into OHKOs. All the "lol Charizard, lol Yanmega, lol Articuno" stuff is purely a distraction -- and it's a dangerous distraction when you let it run so far that you leave your team open to STAB Air Slash and STAB Brave Bird rapage. A 50% HP reduction is crippling, yes: but a 25% HP reduction is not. And if you think it is, well ...
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A 25% health loss is very crippling if you're choiced OR Orb'd.
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But many people seem to forget that, well, Flying-types get ROOST. Yeah.

And don't even get me started on Smogon's bias against Solarbeam. >_>
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It's not bias against Solarbeam when Solarbeam is just bad.
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Whatever. If you're so sure, let's play. Oh no, wait: you refuse to play because we all already know your team. >_> Come on, dude.

Pokémon Lab seems to have been a dead end. I've been trying to get the program to load all day and it just refuses despite reporting that the server is up and has 22 of 100 peers on it. Broken. -_-; Despite being what Smogon's site linked to, it looks like their forum links to a different program, one called Pokémon Online. So I'm installing that one right now and we'll see how it goes.

If you like, you download it too. Make a team. Let's play.
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Whatever. If you're so sure, let's play. Oh no, wait: you refuse to play because we all already know your team. >_> Come on, dude.
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I signed up. Had a few battles on Smogon's server but then it suddenly crashed and booted us all off. (I was winning that fight 3-1, too!) So I've since signed on to the European one (Pokemon-Online), and it seems to be a lot more stable. I dunno if it affects tiering (i.e. if PO rank points are stockpiled differently from Smogon rank points), but it doesn't affect me right now and it may never affect me if I'm a pretty crappy player. ;p

So sign after you install it and look for Kotone. It'll be me. The team I am using right now consists of three of my DSmons and three WishListmons. If you want to fight a team purely of my DSmons, I can oblige either via NDS or by making the corresponding team in Pokemon Online. It's your pick.
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Oh, I quite agree that it's useful. But you read the articles of The Smog (as I did this break >_>) and it's just dreadful how biased they are against flying. "So-and-so is weak to flying, but you'll never see Flying-type moves being used so don't worry!" "So-and-so is weak to flying but with Stealth Rock on the field you don't have to worry about birds!" Etc, etc. And it's just ... NO. En Oh, NO. -_-; People leave these gaping holes in their team's defenses to Flying and they expect Stealth Rock to compensate. It doesn't compensate, folks.
I am dumber for having read this post.

Flying is generally not considered a huge weakness because:

1. Its coverage (fight/bug/grass), while not terrible, is not setting the world on fire. Because of this, you tend only to see flying type moves on flying type Pokemon, which makes them relatively predictable.

2. There's no flying-type equivalent of Boltbeam, Flamethrower or Earthquake. The closest flying gets to a bread and butter damage move with no strings attached are Drill Peck and Air Slash, with Drill Peck not being distributed all that well and Air Slash being viable mostly beause Shaymin-S and Togekiss can Serene Grace cheese with it. The most powerful viable move flying types have access to is Brave Bird, but the 1/3 recoil on top of SR makes for bad juju.

2.b. Flying type move distribution (through tutors, TMs, etc.) has historically been pretty bad. Roost is nice, but offensively flying's most powerful offensive TM until Acrobat was...Aerial Ace wooooooo

3. Any physical wall worth a damn can usually handle things like Brave Bird just fine. Air Slash users face the same "but what can it do to Blissey?" problem that all special attackers face: only Shaymin-S really has an answer, primarily because it can use Seed Flare to reduce Blissey's special defense to something manageable.

In summary, stop being terrible and learn to meta.
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I am dumber for having read this post.

In summary, stop being terrible and learn to meta.
You quit writing condescending /b/tard posts like these and maybe I'll start listening to what you have to say.
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Agreed, but if a bunch of people trying to break a system to their benefit agree on a common point ("flying is a pretty mediocre typing and generally low on the 'threats to consider list' when building a team") it's generally for reasons beyond a hivemind mentality.

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Here's one I just finished. I was feeling pretty good about it maybe being my first 4-0 since starting these programs yesterday but it just wasn't meant to be. My name here was Kotone (like the heroine in HGSS).

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Battle between ioliolk and Kotone started!

Tier: OU Gen 4
Variation: +39, -50
Rule: Rated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Freeze Clause
Rule: Species Clause

Kotone sent out Mamoswine!
ioliolk sent out Lucario!

Start of turn 1
Mamoswine used Superpower!
It's super effective!
The foe's Lucario lost 99% of its health!
The foe's Lucario hung on using its focus sash!
Mamoswine's Attack fell!
Mamoswine's Defense fell!

The foe's Lucario used Close Combat!
It's super effective!
Mamoswine lost 362 HP! (100% of its health)
The foe's Lucario's Defense fell!
The foe's Lucario's Sp. Def. fell!
Mamoswine fainted!

Kotone sent out Scizor!

Start of turn 2
The foe's Lucario used ExtremeSpeed!
It's not very effective...
Scizor lost 46 HP! (16% of its health)

Scizor used U-turn!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Lucario lost 0% of its health!
The foe's Lucario fainted!
Kotone called Scizor back!
Kotone sent out Togekiss!

ioliolk sent out Gyarados!

The foe's Gyarados intimidates Togekiss!
Togekiss's Attack fell!

Start of turn 3
Kotone called Togekiss back!
Kotone sent out Staraptor!

Staraptor intimidates the foe's Gyarados!
The foe's Gyarados's Attack fell!
The foe's Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
The foe's Gyarados's Attack rose!
The foe's Gyarados's Speed rose!

Start of turn 4
The foe's Gyarados used Stone Edge!
The attack of the foe's Gyarados missed!

Staraptor used Brave Bird!
The foe's Gyarados lost 100% of its health!
Staraptor is hit with recoil!
The foe's Gyarados fainted!

Xfr is watching the battle.
ioliolk sent out Empoleon!

Start of turn 5
Kotone called Staraptor back!
Kotone sent out Togekiss!

The foe's Empoleon used Agility!
The foe's Empoleon's Speed sharply rose!

Start of turn 6
The foe's Empoleon used Substitute!
The foe's Empoleon made a substitute!

Togekiss used Aura Sphere!
It's super effective!
The foe's Empoleon's substitute faded!

Start of turn 7
The foe's Empoleon used Substitute!
The foe's Empoleon made a substitute!

Togekiss used Aura Sphere!
It's super effective!
The foe's Empoleon's substitute faded!

Start of turn 8
The foe's Empoleon used Substitute!
The foe's Empoleon made a substitute!
The foe's Empoleon ate its Petaya Berry!
The Petaya Berry raised the foe's Empoleon's Sp. Att.!

Togekiss used Aura Sphere!
It's super effective!
The foe's Empoleon's substitute faded!

Start of turn 9
The foe's Empoleon used Ice Beam!
It's super effective!
Togekiss lost 282 HP! (90% of its health)

Togekiss used Aura Sphere!
It's super effective!
The foe's Empoleon lost 25% of its health!
The foe's Empoleon fainted!

ioliolk sent out Vaporeon!

Start of turn 10
Togekiss used Air Slash!
The foe's Vaporeon lost 29% of its health!

The foe's Vaporeon used Surf!
Togekiss lost 30 HP! (9% of its health)
Togekiss fainted!

The foe's Vaporeon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Kotone sent out Starmie!

Start of turn 11
Starmie used Thunderbolt!
It's super effective!
The foe's Vaporeon lost 47% of its health!

The foe's Vaporeon used Toxic!
Starmie was poisoned!

Starmie is hurt by poison!
The foe's Vaporeon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 12
The foe's Vaporeon used Protect!
The foe's Vaporeon protected itself!

Starmie used Thunderbolt!
The foe's Vaporeon protected itself!

Starmie is hurt by poison!
The foe's Vaporeon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Xfr: lolwut

Start of turn 13
The foe's Vaporeon used Protect!
The foe's Vaporeon protected itself!

Starmie used Thunderbolt!
The foe's Vaporeon protected itself!

Starmie is hurt by poison!
The foe's Vaporeon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 14
Starmie used Thunderbolt!
It's super effective!
The foe's Vaporeon lost 47% of its health!
The foe's Vaporeon fainted!

Starmie is hurt by poison!
ioliolk sent out Heatran!

Start of turn 15
Starmie used Surf!
It's super effective!
The foe's Heatran lost 100% of its health!
The foe's Heatran fainted!

Starmie is hurt by poison!
ioliolk sent out Electivire!

Start of turn 16
Starmie used Surf!
The foe's Electivire lost 58% of its health!

The foe's Electivire used ThunderPunch!
It's super effective!
Starmie lost 19 HP! (7% of its health)
Starmie fainted!

Kotone sent out Staraptor!

Staraptor intimidates the foe's Electivire!
The foe's Electivire's Attack fell!

Start of turn 17
The foe's Electivire used ThunderPunch!
It's super effective!
Staraptor lost 203 HP! (65% of its health)
Staraptor fainted!

Kotone sent out Kingdra!

Start of turn 18
The foe's Electivire used ThunderPunch!
Kingdra lost 85 HP! (29% of its health)

Kingdra used Surf!
The foe's Electivire lost 41% of its health!
The foe's Electivire fainted!

Kotone won the battle!
Kotone: gg
ioliolk: GG!

Kotone's team: Mamoswine, Scizor, Togekiss, Staraptor, Starmie, Kingdra
ioliolk's team: Lucario, Gyarados, Empoleon, Vaporeon, Heatran, Electivire


I dunno. It's pretty obvious that I got lucky with his Gyarados missing with Stone Edge (20% chance, that must have sucked =\); and it's equally obvious that I was lucky that my greedy and hasty use of Thunderbolt against his Vaporeon was not met by a Gliscor or other Ground-type; but I don't think that this was a total hax victory either, thanks to a few calculated risks like:
* keeping Starmie out despite the temptation to rid it of poison via Natural Cure helped me to bag not only Vaporeon but Heatran and partially Electivire as well! Any Pokémon who manages 2˝ kills before going out is good in my book!
* deliberately activating SubPetaya Empoleon and banking on my beloved Togekiss's ability to weather the storm and finish the job with Aura Sphere. Cha-ching!
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Here's one that was pretty close to the wire.

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Battle between blahh and Kotone started!

Tier: OU Gen 4
Variation: +20, -49
Rule: Rated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Freeze Clause
Rule: Species Clause

Kotone sent out Mamoswine!
blahh sent out Metagross!

Start of turn 1
blahh called Metagross back!
blahh sent out Rotom-H!

Mamoswine used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around blahh's team!

Start of turn 2
Kotone called Mamoswine back!
Kotone sent out Scizor!

The foe's Rotom-H used Will-O-Wisp!
Scizor was burned!

Scizor is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 3
Scizor used Night Slash!
It's super effective!
The foe's Rotom-H lost 30% of its health!

The foe's Rotom-H used Will-O-Wisp!
Scizor is already burnt.

Scizor is hurt by its burn!
The foe's Rotom-H restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 4
blahh called Rotom-H back!
blahh sent out Metagross!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Metagross!

Scizor used Night Slash!
The foe's Metagross lost 14% of its health!

Scizor is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 5
Scizor used Night Slash!
The foe's Metagross lost 16% of its health!

The foe's Metagross used Meteor Mash!
It's not very effective...
Scizor lost 99 HP! (35% of its health)

Scizor is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 6
Scizor used Night Slash!
The foe's Metagross lost 14% of its health!

The foe's Metagross used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around Kotone's team!

Scizor is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 7
The foe's Metagross used Bullet Punch!
It's not very effective...
Scizor lost 8 HP! (2% of its health)
Scizor fainted!

Kotone sent out Togekiss!
Pointed stones dug into Togekiss!

Start of turn 8
Togekiss used Shadow Ball!
The foe's Metagross lost 31% of its health!

The foe's Metagross used Explosion!
Togekiss lost 234 HP! (75% of its health)
Togekiss fainted!
The foe's Metagross fainted!

Kotone sent out Staraptor!
Pointed stones dug into Staraptor!

blahh sent out Rotom-H!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Rotom-H!

Staraptor intimidates the foe's Rotom-H!
The foe's Rotom-H's Attack fell!

Start of turn 9
Staraptor used Brave Bird!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Rotom-H lost 40% of its health!
Staraptor is hit with recoil!

The foe's Rotom-H used Will-O-Wisp!
Staraptor was burned!

Staraptor is hurt by its burn!
The foe's Rotom-H restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 10
blahh called Rotom-H back!
blahh sent out Flygon!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Flygon!

Staraptor used Brave Bird!
The foe's Flygon lost 71% of its health!
Staraptor is hit with recoil!

Staraptor is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 11
The foe's Flygon used Outrage!
Staraptor lost 45 HP! (14% of its health)
Staraptor fainted!

Kotone sent out Mamoswine!
Pointed stones dug into Mamoswine!

Start of turn 12
Mamoswine used Ice Shard!
It's super effective!
The foe's Flygon lost 22% of its health!
The foe's Flygon fainted!

blahh sent out Heatran!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Heatran!

Start of turn 13
Kotone called Mamoswine back!
Kotone sent out Kingdra!
Pointed stones dug into Kingdra!

The foe's Heatran used Fire Blast!
The attack of the foe's Heatran missed!

Start of turn 14
blahh called Heatran back!
blahh sent out Rotom-H!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Rotom-H!

Kingdra used Rain Dance!
It started to rain!

Rain continues to fall!
The foe's Rotom-H restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 15
Kingdra used Surf!
The foe's Rotom-H lost 22% of its health!
The foe's Rotom-H fainted!

Rain continues to fall!
blahh sent out Dragonite!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Dragonite!

Start of turn 16
Kingdra used Dragon Pulse!
It's super effective!
The foe's Dragonite lost 75% of its health!
The foe's Dragonite fainted!

Rain continues to fall!
blahh sent out Heatran!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Heatran!

Start of turn 17
Kingdra used Surf!
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
The foe's Heatran lost 75% of its health!
The foe's Heatran fainted!

Rain continues to fall!
blahh sent out Empoleon!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Empoleon!

Start of turn 18
Kingdra used Surf!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Empoleon lost 36% of its health!

The foe's Empoleon used Substitute!
The foe's Empoleon made a substitute!

The rain stopped!

Start of turn 19
Kingdra used Surf!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Empoleon's substitute took the damage!

The foe's Empoleon used Agility!
The foe's Empoleon's Speed sharply rose!

Start of turn 20
Kotone called Kingdra back!
Kotone sent out Starmie!
Pointed stones dug into Starmie!

The foe's Empoleon used Ice Beam!
It's not very effective...
Starmie lost 66 HP! (25% of its health)

Start of turn 21
The foe's Empoleon used Surf!
It's not very effective...
A critical hit!
Starmie lost 164 HP! (62% of its health)
Starmie fainted!

Kotone sent out Mamoswine!
Pointed stones dug into Mamoswine!

Start of turn 22
The foe's Empoleon used Surf!
It's super effective!
Mamoswine lost 272 HP! (75% of its health)
Mamoswine fainted!

Kotone sent out Kingdra!
Pointed stones dug into Kingdra!

Start of turn 23
The foe's Empoleon used Ice Beam!
Kingdra lost 109 HP! (37% of its health)

Kingdra used Surf!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Empoleon's substitute faded!

Start of turn 24
The foe's Empoleon used Ice Beam!
Kingdra lost 108 HP! (36% of its health)

Kingdra used Surf!
It's not very effective...
A critical hit!
The foe's Empoleon lost 33% of its health!
The foe's Empoleon fainted!

Kotone won the battle!
Kotone: gg
blahh: gg
blahh: close one
Kotone: indeed

My team: Mamoswine, Staraptor, Starmie, Togekiss, Kingdra, Scizor
His team: Metagross, Rotom-H, Flygon, Heatran, Dragonite, Empoleon


This one could have gone either way at the end. I was concerned that my Scarf Mamoswine would not be able to outpace his Agility Empoleon, so I switched to Starmie to try and scare it into action. Seems I was premature and the combination of an Ice Beam to the face plus a CritHit Surf cost me my sea star and my 3-1 lead. Mamoswine felt just as quickly, unable to Earthquake before being Surfed to death. It was nothing short of a miracle that Kingdra managed to deliver not one but two blows to the steel-clad emperor penguin.

So, seems I'm still stuck at close wins and close losses. I took Loki's advice and set up Stealth Rock with Mamoswine, but I really need to de-equip the Scarf from him I think and give him back his old Focus Sash. See how it works for a change. Problem I had with it before was that it never got a chance to be of use. But I miss the move freedom I used to enjoy on Mamoswine. Being locked into moves sucks. And as the battle log shows, it sucks even harder as soon as the opponent figures it out. I'm not running any Leftovers on this team right now. Maybe I'll give him that instead ...
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Guys...I hate to admit this, but I've been completely lost on these Pokemon VG discussions for almost a year now. What game(s) do I have to play to make your Greek sound a little more Anglo?
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