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Old 07-26-2011, 01:55 PM   #51
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See Dave's Flygon. Though you make a good point.
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I'm on the fence on this one. It's hard to justify Primape as a shitty Pokemon, it also didn't really get any drawbacks (giving up moves).

On the other hand, Weebos has a point about the primary type. Also I have a problem with people giving up moves that completely suck and nobody ever uses. Whenever people submit sigs that give up stuff like mimic and return, it's like you didn't give up anything at all. If you want good sigs, give up useful shit.

I don't do sigs, but trust me, if I did, I'd be 50x harsher than anyone else. It's probably best I don't get involved in this argument. xd
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Old 07-26-2011, 02:13 PM   #53
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Fishy's Flygon and a few others say hi. And for the record, I don't want Primape's sig dropped I just want Girafarig's sig approved :d
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Old 07-26-2011, 02:14 PM   #54
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Then the biggest problem you have is the fact that Normal is the primary type, IMO. I don't think that is something that can be changed.

And if it can, I'm going to fedex my Weavile to sig submissions as fast as humanly possible.
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Old 07-26-2011, 02:16 PM   #55
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Last I asked Muyo about primary type changes he was against it. Flygon is one of those special case pokemon since it is a Bug/Ground/Dragon thing.
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I dunno, I don't think that its justifiable enough to get rid of its primary type :x
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I think it's a rule for Game Freak not to have normal as a secondary type. Just like there's no flyers that have Flying as their primary type. If there was, I'm pretty sure Girafarig would have it as a secondary type, since it shares no characteristics with other normal types (wide elemental movepool etc). I'm pretty sure there's been Psychic/Flying Noctowl before, this isn't significantly different.

That's besides the point I'm trying to make anyway xd
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I think That the primary type can be changed. All part normals like empoleon dynamite said have it as thier primary type. Think of Pigy. Its type only make fighting typed attacks deal more damge and make it imune to ghost typed attacks in game. Here it is totaly useless and is a total hinderance. I think They primary type can be changed or removed if the trainer puts forth a good argument on thier case. While not trying to make a completly overpowerd Pokemon
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Also, two things.
1) Empy, there are Flying primary types. Gligar and Gliscor say hi!
2) I think that primary changes should only come with some proper explanation and common sense. Making a Solrock a Water/Psychic isn't going to fly under any means. But, a Fire/Psychic could be passable, due to the fact that it is already Fire-familar.
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For the most part I understand primary types not being changeable.

But for, like, Flygon and Drapion I would understand.

imop, Dark/Psychic is the only true Girafarig typing. But lolbrokenAsFuck.
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Also, two things.
1) Empy, there are Flying primary types. Gligar and Gliscor say hi!
2) I think that primary changes should only come with some proper explanation and common sense. Making a Solrock a Water/Psychic isn't going to fly under any means. But, a Fire/Psychic could be passable, due to the fact that it is already Fire-familar.
funny you picked two Pokemon that we dont let fly as your point.
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Also, two things.
1) Empy, there are Flying primary types. Gligar and Gliscor say hi!
Veekun says no.

As does Bulbapedia.

Serebii here to make 3.

EDIT: Tornadus has Flying as a primary typing, though!
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Funny, because that is what the PASBL site says.
Implying it dosen't need to be updated.
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Banning primary type changes makes very little sense, let's be honest.
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Banning primary type changes makes very little sense, let's be honest.
Exactly. A lot of good types are primary. Banning to change them is stupid. If that it the case, why don't just ban ALL typechanges? You can't pick and choose between equals.
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How so?
I'm also interested in the reasoning, having only one type allowed to be changed prevents complete and utter silliness, (of course it can be argued that having sigs be approved in the first place prevents silliness).
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I'm also interested in the reasoning, having only one type allowed to be changed prevents complete and utter silliness, (of course it can be argued that having sigs be approved in the first place prevents silliness).
Getting sig approved prevents silliness. If it dosen't work,, it dosen't pass. Sme way with secondary type changes. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO CHANGES!!!!!
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Granted, the disallowing changes to primary types makes sense, but one should at least admit this should vary on a case-by-case basis. Normals are notorious, but as much as they generally seem to have access to a crudton of moves, it's an absolutely poor type defensively and a bit of a joke offensively (nothing's weak against Normal). Girafarig's movepool isn't exactly Clefable's, and there's no benefit for it having that Normal-type stuck there to define non-existently positive characteristics.
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Exactly. A lot of good types are primary. Banning to change them is stupid. If that it the case, why don't just ban ALL typechanges? You can't pick and choose between equals.
I think this quote best explains the argument at hand

i think what most people have a problem with changing the primary element of the Pokémon is that it’s such a drastic change that completely redefines what the Pokémon is, at that point why don’t you just choose another Pokémon of the element you wanted? As opposed to changing its subtyping (as long as it comes with the appropriate weaknesses and defenses and the customary swapping of moves from those typings) allows for some customization and to maintain its identity, and usually the sub typing has to make sense for it to be approved.

For example let’s take Galvantula, he’s a bug/electric. How can you change its main typing away from bug? It’s a spider there’s no way around it, to change its main typing simply doesn’t make any sense. Meanwhile it being a bug, it has a lot of poison moves, so to change its sub typing so that it is a bug/poison and add a few more poison moves and remove a few electric make a bit more sense, you’re keeping the original Pokémon intact but allowing for some change in a way that makes a bit more sense. Now if you were to change its sub typing to /fighting that makes no fucking sense either, it has no fighting moves, it simply doesn’t have to body that can really perform any fighting moves it’s just an awkward typing and it probably wouldn’t be approved either.

Honestly if I had to choose between allowing main elements to be changeable and not have any element changes at all, I would go for the latter but the rules as they stand now is a nice compromise that gives people a nice little leeway.

Granted normal types is in a weird situation since (I realized by reading this thread) that it is always the main typing. Maybe a special rule can be made for them alone but I really don’t care enough to suggest what the solution might be.
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I think this quote best explains the argument at hand

i think what most people have a problem with changing the primary element of the Pokémon is that it’s such a drastic change that completely redefines what the Pokémon is, at that point why don’t you just choose another Pokémon of the element you wanted? As opposed to changing its subtyping (as long as it comes with the appropriate weaknesses and defenses and the customary swapping of moves from those typings) allows for some customization and to maintain its identity, and usually the sub typing has to make sense for it to be approved.

For example let’s take Galvantula, he’s a bug/electric. How can you change its main typing away from bug? It’s a spider there’s no way around it, to change its main typing simply doesn’t make any sense. Meanwhile it being a bug, it has a lot of poison moves, so to change its sub typing so that it is a bug/poison and add a few more poison moves and remove a few electric make a bit more sense, you’re keeping the original Pokémon intact but allowing for some change in a way that makes a bit more sense. Now if you were to change its sub typing to /fighting that makes no fucking sense either, it has no fighting moves, it simply doesn’t have to body that can really perform any fighting moves it’s just an awkward typing and it probably wouldn’t be approved either.

Honestly if I had to choose between allowing main elements to be changeable and not have any element changes at all, I would go for the latter but the rules as they stand now is a nice compromise that gives people a nice little leeway.

Granted normal types is in a weird situation since (I realized by reading this thread) that it is always the main typing. Maybe a special rule can be made for them alone but I really don’t care enough to suggest what the solution might be.
Well, some Pokemon can be explained that way. Solrock CAN become a fire/Psychic type, and I plan on making it molten similar to Slugma. Magma is melted rock. Nothing to drastic. Also, type REMOVALS are allowed, and those often change who a Pokemon is.

Finally, subtyping can change a mon drastically. Look at LC's Rhyperior who lost its Rock typing. Quite different.
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>Well, some Pokemon can be explained that way. Solrock CAN become a fire/Psychic type, and I plan on making it molten similar to Slugma.

I would reject that on spot.
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>Well, some Pokemon can be explained that way. Solrock CAN become a fire/Psychic type, and I plan on making it molten similar to Slugma.

I would reject that on spot.
Well, with a lot of restrictions of course. Like higher freeze rate and lower type energies than usual in Rock and Ground. I'LL DO WHATEVER I HAVE TO!!!!!
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