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Old 01-22-2012, 08:53 AM   #76
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I probably shouldn't have posted these attacks since the MYSTERY LEGEND CONTROLLER will now inevitably use them to kick my arse, but if I didn't then I'd just forget about them again.
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Old 08-28-2012, 10:17 PM   #77
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So, I thought Cele was smoking something but.

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Old 08-28-2012, 11:20 PM   #78
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>Extremespeed Pikachu

Jesus.

Thanks for the heads up, adding now.
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Old 08-29-2012, 01:18 AM   #79
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Well.

That changes a lot.

I will assume that getting a Charmander with Blast Burn = getting a Charmeleon with Blast Burn unless of course they only hand them out at level 100. So you might want to add that too, and Wartortle/Ivysaur.
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Old 08-29-2012, 01:54 AM   #80
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They're Lv.1, so yeah. It's generally assumed that the evolved stages will use them.

And I'm pretty sure that Gamefreak are trying to make it so that Pikachu eventually gets drip-fed ALL OF THE MOVES.
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Old 08-29-2012, 05:03 AM   #81
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> Venusaur Weather Ball
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Old 08-29-2012, 01:55 PM   #82
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Well.

That changes a lot.

I will assume that getting a Charmander with Blast Burn = getting a Charmeleon with Blast Burn unless of course they only hand them out at level 100. So you might want to add that too, and Wartortle/Ivysaur.
It's always assumed that the later evos get all their earlier evo's moves (except for Pain Split Pichu since Knotch Eared couldn't evolve).
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Old 08-29-2012, 02:18 PM   #83
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Are we really going to make an exception for Notched Ear Pichu? 1st gen Eevee's can't become Leafeon or Glaceon but we still give those two Eevee's 1st gen moves like bide, do we not?
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Old 08-29-2012, 02:33 PM   #84
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Thus opening up several wormy cans. Electivire springs to mind.
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Old 08-29-2012, 02:38 PM   #85
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Old 08-29-2012, 02:55 PM   #86
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Well yeah, that was exactly my point. Seemed silly to make an exception for Notched Ear Pichu when we don't for anything else.
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idk, I think it's fine. I mean, Electabuzz can learn Bide and it can evolve into Electivire. Notch-Ear is the only Pichu that gets Pain Split but it just can't flat-out evolve at all, so there's absolutely no chance of having a Pikachu that knows Pain Split.

Obviously I'm in a minority. And I'm not great at putting my thoughts into words.
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Old 08-29-2012, 06:21 PM   #88
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Fine but then you open up a different can. Should Riolu get Aura Sphere? Not really. Should Pikachu get Surf? Probably not.
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I think Pichu can use Pain Split (might be wrong), but the point's a bit moot because no-one uses Pichu.
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Old 08-29-2012, 08:09 PM   #90
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I think Pichu can use Pain Split (might be wrong), but the point's a bit moot because no-one uses Pichu.
I do. Just not right now because squad space and had to drop for a Ghost.
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Old 08-30-2012, 10:46 AM   #91
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Please stop extrapolating my rulings and making problems where there are none. I know you mean well but it only makes my job harder.
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Old 08-30-2012, 10:56 AM   #92
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"Oh no, what I said has bad implications! Stop pointing out the bad implications!"

You sound like UM. Look, all I'm asking is why we're making this specific exception. I assume you have a decent reason that I've not worked out yet, and that it won't take you more than a couple of lines to explain which doesn't seem like much to ask given you've already spent a line asking us not to ask for reasoning.
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Old 08-30-2012, 11:36 AM   #93
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You sound like UM. L
Steady on, Jeri makes his points concisely.
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Old 08-30-2012, 11:50 AM   #94
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More concisely than I do, anyways :p. Jer doesn't capitalise stuff midsentence either!
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Old 08-30-2012, 04:40 PM   #95
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Notch-eared Pichu can never become Pikachu. That move, exclusive to Pichu, can never be used by Pika/Rai. Sure, that logic can be applied to the generation gap too, but if there wasn't a hardware issue between games, it wouldn't be an issue.

If it makes you happier, I can just make Pain Split illegal on Pichu

You are all spoiled with a marginally consistent ASB. In my day, we just made due with all the weird shit.
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;-; But... I like Pain Split on Pichu. It's one of the many reasons I'll always choose Pichu over Pika/Rai.

Also, I agree with Jeri's last sentence.
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Old 09-06-2012, 03:08 PM   #97
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I have to agree with Jeri and Dave, here. Most pokemon are canonically given the evolutions later, so in an anime-style world you could have the pokemon with the move and then evolve it. But Notchy is a special case because they were unable to evolve in a game where most Pichu could evolve.

Of course, that raises the problem that technically only Notch-eared Pichu should be able to use it. Which opens up a huge can of worms saying that Notch-eared Pichu shouldn't get any of the other Pichu event moves. :/
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:56 PM   #98
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So I added moves from here into this list. I left off a handful of things like Tackle and some of the questionable ones as well, but for the most part, things in the first table are considered legal.

Most are pretty boring but there's a handful of interesting moves...
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:20 PM   #99
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Did you add Fury Swipes to the wrong Nido, or is Nidomale not getting it?
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My b, fixed.
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