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Old 01-15-2009, 06:34 PM   #1
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For any questions or problems related to Reffing.

First off, only post here if you can't solve the problem by going to the site.

Second, to avoid clutter and confusing answers, it's best to leave the responses to the experienced referees, namely the higher ups.

Third, NO ARGUING IN THIS THREAD. This is not the "Get into a Flame War over Reffing." thread, this is the "Last Resort if you're not sure about something Ref related." thread.

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Old 02-17-2009, 11:12 AM   #2
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Earth Power (GD) -- The user pumps ground energy into the earth in order to shift the terrain around the opponent, knocking into the opponent and dealing significant damage. Energy usage depends on the type of terrain - for example, thick clay will be more difficult to move than soft dirt.
I'm not understanding what exactly is happening, the red portion makes it sound like the earth shifts under the target, but the green makes it sound like its a contact move. So what exactly happens when Earth Power is used?
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I'm not understanding what exactly is happening, the red portion makes it sound like the earth shifts under the target, but the green makes it sound like its a contact move. So what exactly happens when Earth Power is used?
I'd take it as this:

User strikes ground, energy is sent through ground, energy and ground around victim comes up and gets hit by ground energy and actual ground for solid damage. You could also make the victim fall into the resulting divot.
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Old 02-17-2009, 11:32 AM   #4
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About how much Ice energy is there in an Ice Punch? It doesn't really specify in the description on the site.
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I always reffed the energy punches as having around 3/4 energy of the respective element (ice beam/tbolt/fthrower).
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Random Note of Irony: Ice Beam, Flamethrower, and Thunderbolt don't have energy terms on the site either.
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It might come to us just saying how much of each type energy each Poke has. Ugh. And I ref Ice Punch as 1/2 Mega Punch + 1/2 Ice Beam energy.
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>I always reffed the energy punches as having around 3/4 energy of the respective element (ice beam/tbolt/fthrower).

>It might come to us just saying how much of each type energy each Poke has. Ugh. And I ref Ice Punch as 1/2 Mega Punch + 1/2 Ice Beam energy.

Thanks. I was going to ref it as having a little less Ice energy than what Mozz said, so I think I'll just stick to that.

>Random Note of Irony: Ice Beam, Flamethrower, and Thunderbolt don't have energy terms on the site either.

Lol.
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Yeah 1/2 and 1/2 is probably the best way to do it.

>It might come to us just saying how much of each type energy each Poke has.

I don't like this either. And theres a reason most attacks refer to other attacks for energy usage, and thats because theres no real formula to energy. Generally, some pokemon learn extra attacks that have nothing to do with them (hypno + magmar learn smog for some reason, so they should have a bit more energy in that regard, psyduck and poliwhirl with psychic etc, naturally learned moves of other elements should have some sort of bonus I guess). I don't really believe the "water pokes get a ton of ice energy" thing since there's already a ton of water/ice there for that reason.
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I'd take it as this:

User strikes ground, energy is sent through ground, energy and ground around victim comes up and gets hit by ground energy and actual ground for solid damage. You could also make the victim fall into the resulting divot.
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Are there any definite rules regarding electric attacks in water? Specifically, what happens when a Pokemon uses Thunder underwater?
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No there aren't, because every time something definitive starts to get hammered out, at least two people start arguing on both sides and it gets to be such a pain that the rules never get finished.

At the moment it's still Ref's discretion.
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I thought a part of Earth power was to do with the ground of arena actually getting moved and staying in that moved position. Also, if earth is added somewhere (i.e. making a small hill appear beneath the pokemon causing damage) then a compensation must be made somewhere else. I would ref it that a small trough appears before the hil, so now there is a slope and then a hill, the terrain being permanently changed after the attack...
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Old 12-19-2009, 12:38 PM   #14
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Oh my gawd, a post in the Referee Q&A!

Can Ghosts get paralysed from electric attacks? As I understand it, the paralysis occurs from muscles locking up. I'm pretty sure Ghosts have no muscles, so do they get paralysed?
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Old 12-19-2009, 01:21 PM   #15
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Logic and Pokemon don't always go hand in hand.

They should all be able to except Rotom for electrical paralysis.
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Mirror Coat is irritating me right now... When a Pokemon uses Mirror Coat or Counter, and it succeeds, would the redirected attack still have side effects? E.g. Ice Beam's freezing the oppponent in the place that got struck, Flamethrower's 10% chance of burn. And would the user of Mirror Coat still take the side effects of the attack if they should happen?
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Old 11-29-2010, 08:40 AM   #17
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Referring to Round 14, Salamencia isn't buying the location specs to Beedrill, i.e. Dive over the moat and U-turn, which would have plonked the recipient Tentacruel into the poison moat of my gym.

Is it possible to have a second opinion?
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Old 12-21-2010, 05:52 AM   #18
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Does fireblast rip through lightscreen because of solidified flames?

In this case the fireblast is produced by a togetic with a nastyplot and wish boost who has used flamethrower beforehand. The lightscreen is at 75% strenght.

Lightscreen should break, but is fireblast damage fully reduced (like any other special attack that breaks through), still at full power (like a physical attack), or only the solid flames pass through and the rest is absorbed (like fire punch).

I do want to know for a regular fireblast from a fresh pokemon and against a fresh lightscreen too.
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Fire Blast is special. The atkscript is weird.

A full-strength LS will take about a Fire Blast (or a Hyper Beam) of special damage before breaking. If it took half a Flamethrower beforehand then it'll take out the majority of the Blast before shattering.

Or something.
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Old 05-28-2011, 02:35 PM   #20
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Energy projectiles and solid projectiles pass through each other right?
Is Air Cutter considered a solid projectile and would it pass through Energy Ball?
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I'd say yes but the two would still weaken each other as they passed on through.
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Would Light Screen block a Psyshock?
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I've heard Skull Bash does crazy things to beams, but it says nothing about that in the description.
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Skull Bash (XX) -- The user launches itself head-first at the target in a flying headbutt, set to do considerable damage. The user is protected from recoil by a white glow covering its head, which adds damage to the attack as well.
Am I right in assuming that those crazy beam theories are from a time before attack revisions?
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Old 06-15-2011, 07:03 PM   #25
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It'[s just generally assumed that the aura reduced the damage from incoming fire. Some people... exaggerate this, however,
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