11-07-2013, 11:47 AM | #1 |
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Star Wars Episodes 1-3
Making a catch-all thread for the prequels. Figure it's better than making a catch-all thread for Star Wars since we'll probably want to keep Episode 7+ discussion separate from discussion of the past films. Figure it's also better than making a catch-all for Episodes 1 thru 6 since, duh, 5 is the one with the huge plot twist, the concern of which is Episodes 01 thru 03's domain. And I don't want to ask people to spoiler tag that most famous of plot twists, but neither would I like to see people being spoiled on it if they've still somehow managed to avoid the spoiler. If we make a catch-all Star Wars thread in the future, feel free to merge this thread into it, I don't mind. So with that stated, feel free to discuss the following Star Wars things here:
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11-07-2013, 12:03 PM | #2 |
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So, I'll admit: I made this thread for the express purpose of having a proper place to share this: the death of Jar Jar Binks. The video is making the rounds across the Internet right now and boy oh boy is it something. What that something is will vary from person to person. Here are my thoughts on it:
Spoiler: show Hope you enjoy it. Would love to hear your thoughts. EDIT: Mystery solved. And would you guess what it is? It's ... Spoiler: show
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11-07-2013, 01:10 PM | #3 |
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I liked the prequels. I recognise that they aren't great films but I also recognise that neither were the originals, really. The universe is well made but poorly coordinated and there's too many white men walking around a galaxy far far away.
As for Jar Jar, I do accept Lucas's argument that you need comic relief, but he's a little racist for my tastes. |
11-07-2013, 01:10 PM | #4 |
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Knee-slapping hilarious. The utter stupidity of the scene felt so genuinely Lucas, I was completely enchanted.
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11-07-2013, 04:26 PM | #5 |
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Wow. None of that scene made any real sense. Did they use that ship to go up the waterfall? Did they somehow drive it backwards from the river to that point they broke the surface? What was the point of the scene at all? And how did a tiny, half embedded arrow hold an entire ship from being swept away?
I'm so glad someone had Lucas cut that scene. And I wish the fan edited version was the real one. |
11-07-2013, 07:05 PM | #6 |
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And, why could ducks swim on that waterfall's surface without trouble, but Qui-gon and Obi-wan had to pull with all their might to overcome the current?
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11-07-2013, 11:06 PM | #7 |
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I didn't even see ducks lol.
Yeah, prior to Qui-Gon standing up, there was no current in that river. Suddenly they open it up and it's WATERFALL! |
11-07-2013, 11:16 PM | #8 |
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Prequels are bad. Going to try Machete viewing soon to see if that makes them better.
Star Wars is awesome. |
11-07-2013, 11:20 PM | #9 |
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Why does one build their city next to a waterfall anyway?
And lolz. That scene made all sorts of no sense. |
11-09-2013, 09:32 AM | #10 |
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The tragedy is that this prequel series could have been so good if George Lucas didn't mangle certain, key facets. Yes, I'm referring to his utter lack of an ear for dialogue. The romance subplot never had a chance to possibly float because every second word from Anakin and Padmé sounds like nonsensical drivel and/or forced clichés. >_>
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11-10-2013, 08:55 PM | #13 |
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Of course he made up for it by then creating not one but two (completely contradictory) Clone Wars TV shows.
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11-10-2013, 08:57 PM | #14 |
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Technically he only commissioned the first one, which actually aired between Episodes II and III and took you right up to the very start of III.
Then he decided to make one of his own which trampled all over it. Clone Wars >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Clone Wars |
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Never saw either one. Also ...
(conceptual spoiler thru the end of the prequels) Spoiler: show Obviously, that's my opinion, not a fact. And I don't intend to force it on any other fans, including fans of the TV series and books and such. But yeah, that's how I feel about the situation. I don't like it!
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11-10-2013, 09:04 PM | #16 |
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I generally agree, Talon. I have two political degrees now and I still can't fathom why he thought to have the plot of his first one revolve around a trade embargo.
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11-10-2013, 09:16 PM | #17 |
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You bringing that up leads me to want to link an oldie but a goodie: Red Letter Media's review of The Phantom Menace. (And for those who may never have seen it before and would prefer to watch it on YouTube, here's the link to that site as well. 4.97 million views and counting! ) It's still probably the best analysis I've ever seen on why we love the original trilogy but not the prequels, on what makes the originals work and why the prequels, which lack many of these elements, fail so hard. I just wish the review didn't have the eccentric dark humor with the psychotic serial killer stuff. If those bits could all be cut out, I feel like these reviews would be required viewing in every single high school English curriculum. (Even with the psycho segments, I feel like it should still be required viewing for every film & theater major in colleges across the English-speaking world.)
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11-10-2013, 09:26 PM | #18 |
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I'd forgotten how much I love this review.
My favourite is the Protagonist breakdown and at the end he says 'Also they might get the girl as the icing on the cake'. Cut to John McClane kissing his wife, Peter Parker kissing Mary Jane, and... Charlie Bucket hugging Willy Wonka. |
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A personal favorite of mine too. I always look for it, every time!
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I suppose this is the best place for this: Disney hosted a 40th anniversary panel this week, and George Lucas is a prominent part of it. I'd recommend that anyone interested in Star Wars check it out, at least through the first fifteen minutes or so. It's a nice chance to see the white, the black, and the oceans of gray complexity that are George Lucas and his legacy.
One of the things which Lucas's fans celebrate him for is his vision. One of the things which most prequel critics will point to is that Lucas had no one to rein him in. This paradox is brought to the fore when one of Lucas's students, a young man who directed Star Wars Rebels, shares a story that goes something like this, greatly paraphrased: "George shared many valuable lessons with me. But perhaps the most important lesson of all was, he taught me, 'Don't be afraid.' When you're working on something as big as Star Wars, it's easy to get afraid of messing it up. And what George taught me was, don't be afraid. Do what it is that you're thinking would be great to do."And then George joins in with, again paraphrased: "Yes, I think it's important that no decision be made out of fear. When people would tell me that I couldn't do something, I would tell them, "We're going to do that thing." It would fire me up. I welcomed the challenge. I wouldn't take "No" for an answer. Don't be afraid."And like ... I think this is a really fascinating window into the complexity that is the situation with Lucas and the prequels. Because on the one hand, you have a message here that sounds really wholesome and productive, a philosophy which celebrates innovation and imagination. But then on the other hand, you can see the shadows in every whisper that leaves George's lips here -- the shadow of the spectre that is unfettered creation, the spectre which many blame for the prequels' numerous faults. "Lucas surrounded himself with yesmen," says one person. "What made the original Star Wars films great was that Lucas had people in positions to be able to tell him 'No' and who did tell him 'No'," says another person. It's easy to imagine a Fox executive telling Lucas in 1975 that light swords were a stupid idea and that he should ditch them from his script. Lightsabers! Our beloved lightsabers. But then at the same time, on the other hand, it's so easy to imagine someone on the Episode I team telling him that midichlorians were a bad idea. Or that it was dumb to have C-3PO be created by Anakin. Or that perhaps Darth Maul should have been kept around, at least through the second film. Or that maybe, just maybe, Original Episode I Yoda looked disastrously bad. Yeesh! If nothing else, this dialogue illustrates the dangers in black-and-white thinking when it comes to art and creativity. Is it always for the best to never take a "No" from somebody? Well no, clearly not. But at the same time, every time you take a "No" and abandon some crazy idea you had is a chance, a possibility, that you were about to make the next Star Wars.
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09-13-2017, 12:51 AM | #23 |
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It was announced today (yesterday?) that after the turmoil at Disney, JJ Abrams is returning for Episode IX.
A lot of people are buttpissed at this. After the treatment of Trek, many older fans have clued in that the new movies are not soft reboots so much as they are soft remakes, which has pushed them to the brink: fans are clamouring for Lucas to return, even if the movies he made are of the same quality as Episodes I-III. Someting unimaginable after RLM's cutting the suspension of disbelief. Oh, but it's too late for that...far too late...
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09-17-2017, 09:45 PM | #24 |
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Almost all sequels of a famous IP that either didn't need a sequel or have sat too long for one are pretty much remakes. Modern 'Hollywood' thinking banks entirely on nostalgia and references and hardly ever invents anything new.
Bringing back George Lucas isn't the key to making a good Episode IX. It's like literally one of the worst things that can happen. |
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