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Sky Battle Discussion
Not sure if I should have made a thread for this or not but I've begun to draft ideas for a potential Sky Battle tournament and think it would be neater to keep the discussion all in one place. Here's some of what I have so far:
General points - 16 participants (is this wishful thinking? It can easily be scaled down) - Reffing (does FB have enough refs or people interested at reffing at present? Not sure about the sitch) - Time scale - With the correct attention, I don't think a fortnight would be too much of a long shot Levitation - Obviously Pokémon with Levitate would be eligible for use in such a tournament. However, should this just be open to Pokémon with the declared ability Levitate or to Pokémon who levitate naturally? (i.e the majority of the Ghost type and beyond) Granted, there will be some who are more capable of taking to the skies with their levitation than others. Do we stick to the in-game ability route and keep it simple or should it be looked at on a case-by-case basis? Flight - These aren't exhaustive lists, just the ones i've taken from my PokéRinger posts and added to who have the ability of true flight, whether they can learn that pesky HM or not: ~ All Flying type Pokémon allowed except for Doduo, Dodrio, Natu, Vullaby, Archen ~ Eligible non-flying types ~ Beedrill, Venomoth, Dragonair, Scizor, Heracross, Dustox, Volbeat, Illumise, Vibrava, Flygon, Garchomp, Spritzee Like I said, not exhaustive, I'm putting this to the floor to get as much feedback as possible before I go ahead and propose anything to anyone ^^; |
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EDIT: Ignore that point entirely, if Tynamo can battle in the sky, I'm pretty sure anything could ^^;
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08-08-2014, 01:59 PM | #4 |
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I'm not to convinced on the levitation aspect. The Magnemite line for example hovers low above the floor but I don't think it could properly participate in a Sky Battle. Perhaps a case by case basis for these Mon? Or could just be me though.
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08-08-2014, 02:14 PM | #5 |
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I think height off of the ground matters, as does the dynamics of motion. For example:
Height: how high up do you imagine a Fletchinder can fly? Now how high up do you imagine a Weezing or a Bronzong can float? I imagine a Fletchinder being able to fly hundreds of feet up in the sky whereas a Weezing or a Bronzong can only hover six to eight feet above the ground. Perhaps you want to apply evidence from the anime with its cartoon physics. For example, the fact that Weezing floats four feet above the Rockets' hot air balloon basket implies that he is capable of floating hundreds of feet above ground, right? But then how will you answer all of the other crazy aerial feats depicted in the anime? For example, Forretress can spin himself up hundreds of feet into the sky in a matter of seconds. Should he be allowed in a Sky Battle? What about Dunsparce? The anime's confirmed that he's capable of flying a solid hundred feet up into the sky no problem. So will you allow Dunsparce then too? If not, what rationalization will you provide for allowing low-ground levitators like Weezing or Bronzong while disallowing fliers? Dynamics: how do you envision these sky battles? Will it be as fluid and fast as games of quidditch in the Harry Potter universe? Or is it just going to be two Pokémon staying put a hundred feet above the ground while they fire attacks at one another? Because while there are a number of Pokémon who are technically capable of remaining airborne, not all of them are necessarily capable of gliding flight. For example, you listed that every single Flying type except the ones you specified is eligible to enter. Does that mean that you don't mind Hoppip entering even though it lacks control over which way the wind blows it? Another thing I think you'll have to consider is whether you want to allow legendaries or not. Legendaries: while there aren't too many that are owned in FB, most of the ones owned by active members are depicted as capable of levitation or flight. For instance, Mew floats all about telekinetically; the Sinnoh Lake Trio do something similar, most likely (and unlike Mew they actually possess Levitate as an in-game ability); and even Jirachi is shown to move about by floating across short distances or hovering in midair. (Once again, telekinesis? ) Will you allow no legends? Only those legends who officially have Levitate or the Flying type? All legends which have presentable evidence showing that they float? And I guess this finally bleeds into a fourth consideration: telekinesis. Telekinesis: Will you allow Psychic types who clearly float above the ground but lack the Flying type or the Levitate ability? Example: Reuniclus. If you allow them, will you also allow other Psychic types who are said to possess immense telekinetic strength but who aren't typically associated with levitation? Example: Alakazam.
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Thoughts? Let's keep the discussion flowing!
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I think natural fliers should have an advantage. After all, this is their element. If a Hoppip gets caught in a Whirlwind it should be at a major disadvantage. If a Weezing is just floating in the air, it might have accuracy issues keeping up with a swift flyer such as a Swellow that can position itself at any angle faster than a Weezing could probably turn. I have more thoughts, but I've got to go for a bit. |
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Looking forward to hearing any and all of 'em!
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I've been wondering this for quite a while and though I don't have a Pokemon at the moment that can fly; how are levels calculated in? Or how were they? With the idea of Sky Battles it wouldn't make much sense if a Lv.25 Pidgey were to beat a Lv.75 Salamence but looking at the Pokering competition, a Pokemon can find more creative ways to win?
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As for with this 'tournament', I'd be tempted to scrap Pokémon's levels during the actual battles. When I say this, I only mean remove it as a measurement of their power, I believe any moves learned should be retained without a doubt. Would people would prefer that all Pokémon are scaled to a certain level, gaining moves if they're lower levelled or merely scrap the idea of levels all together (outside of the learnset and prizes, obviously) and have everyone on a more levelled playing field?
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Hmm... I'm leaning more towards the idea of ignoring levels altogether, personally (with the obvious exception of attacks and prizes). Also, question- what would be the stance on a participating Pokémon evolving mid-battle? I only ask because I like the idea of evolving my Tranquill in this. |
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'No' is the general answer I feel we will get from your question. Assuming of course the tournament will be treated in a special Trainer Battle fashion. Just my personal opinion however, I can see evolution being allowed at the end of whatever match you may have participated in and should be allowed to use the same Pokemon.
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