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Old 11-08-2012, 11:14 PM   #1
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Just for fun

So. Let's say we wanted to create a little micro-meta where pokemon like Delibird and Corsola could actually have some fun. What would such a meta even look like?

Searching through the NU tier, I found a few 'mon who I think could have a place in such a tier. However, I'm subject to throwing favorites who might not be as crappy as I think they are onto the list. So, a little help, please? The more question marks by a 'mon's name, the less sure I am of their belonging in such a tier.

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Ivysaur
Charmeleon
Squirtle
Butterfree
Beedrill
Pidgeot
Sandshrew
Nidorina
Nidorino
Clefairy
Wigglytuff
Gloom(Vileplume may arrive here)
Venonat
Diglett
Meowth(debatable)
Mankey
Growlithe
Poliwhirl
Abra
Weepingbell
Tentacool
Ponyta
Slowpoke
Magnemite
Farfetch'd
Dewgong
Shellder
Gastly(no Haunter, sorry)
Onix
Hypno
Cubone
Lickitung
Koffing
Rhyhorn
Seadra
Goldeen
Staryu
Magmar
Ditto
Eevee
Flareon
Porygon
Omanyte
Kabuto
Dragonair
Bayleef
Quilava
Croconaw
Furret
Ledian
Ariados
Chinchou
Togetic
Natu
Flaffy
Bellossom
Marill
Sudowoodo
Jumpluff
Sunflora
Yanma
Murkrow
Misdreavus
Unown
Girafarig
Pineco
Dunsparce
Snubbull
Shuckle
Sneasel
Magcargo
Swinub
Corsola
Octillery
Delibird
Houndour
Stantler
Pupitar
Torchic
Combusken (Non-speed-boost)
Grovyle
Marshtomp
Mightyena
Beautfly
Dustox
Lombre
Nuzleaf
Kirlia
Shedinja
Nosepass
Delcatty
Mawile
Aron
Meditite
Minun
Plusle
Volbeat
Vigoroth
Illumise
Exploud
Swalot
Wailmer
Torkoal
Grumpig
Spinda
Vibrava
Swablu
Seviper
Lunatone
Solrock
Whiscash
Baltoy
Lileep
Anorith
Castform
Banette
Duskull
Tropius
Chmiecho
Bagon
Trapinch
Glalie
Sealeo
Clamperl
Luvdisc
Grotle
Monferno
Prinplup
Staravia
Bibarel
Kriketune
Luxio
Cranidos
Shieldon
Wormadam-P
Wormadam-S
Wormadam-T
Mothim
Vespiquen
Pachirisu
Cherrim
Shellos
Drifloon
Purugly
Bronzor
Chatot
Gabite(suspect)
Riolu
Skorupi
Croagunk
Carnivine
Lumineon
Mantyke
Snover
Glaceon
Phione
Servine
Pignite
Dewott
Watchog
Herdier
Liepard
Munna
Unfeazant
Woobat(Swoobat may be considered)
Drilbur
Timburr
Golduck
Seismitoad
Swadloon
Whirlipede
Cottonee
Basculin
Krokorok
Darumaka
Maractus
Dwebble
Scraggy(suspect)
Yamask
Tirtouga
Archen
Trubbish
Audino
Zorua
Gothorita(suspect with Shadow Tag)
Solosis
Swanna
Vannilish
Emolga
Foongus
Frillish
Klink
Eelektrik
Elgyem
Lampent
Axew
Shelmet
Mienfoo
Golett
Pawniard
Rufflet
Vullaby
Heatmor
Zweilous
Larvesta
Karrablast
Phanphy
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Vulpix - Auto-Sun proved itself too powerful.
Clamperl+DeepSeaTooth - You have got to be kidding me if you expect this to be legal.
Zwelious+Evolite - Monster. Do the calcs, you see.
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Remember, don't think about these pokemon's preformances in other tiers- think about how they would fare in a teir where HustleDelibird is a legitimate threat.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:25 PM   #2
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Other people feel the same way as you do, Kin. PU is the NU of NU. Doesn't have an official ladder on Showdown yet, but you can challenge people to an unranked PU battle. Haven't played the tier myself, but from what I understand there are still a few Pokemon that aren't even used in PU... maybe go a tier beneath that?

By the way, PU doesn't stand for anything. It's named because all the Pokemon stink.
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>Rampardos
>Ursaring
>Gigalith
>LINOOOOOOONE




Forgot Heatmor and Furret, though. Adding them to the list.
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It's also on Showdown, not PO, so there's also that going against it.

Also, it's not about the Pokemon "sucking", it's about them not being used competitively and being under-appreciated overall.

Also, possibly:
Ariados
Audino
Butterfree (??)
Dodrio (?)
Flareon (??)
Glaceon (??)
Kricketune
Ledian (?)
Liepard
Maractus
Mawile
Mightyena
Parasect (?)
Seadra (?)
Shelgon (??)
Swalot (?)
Swanna
Tropius (?)
Unfezant (?)
Unown
Vigoroth
Volbeat (?)
Watchog
Whirlipede

Just throwing a few out there. Also, I think Banette may be a bit up there for this tier. Smeargle I think might be a bit too much as well, unless we ban SporePass.

I'd like to see this become a tier where Stealth Rock doesn't dominate, really. I'd love to see a tier where Sand Rush Herdier is a legitimate threat and Seadra can really shine as a Physical wall.

EDIT: Also, Pidgeot

And is there any way we can make Item Clause standard here? There are so many options for items, especially now, and I don't think we want everyone running 2 Lefties, 2 Eviolite, and 2 Choice _____/Life Orb for their team.
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:46 PM   #5
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Good point, Item Clause is useful for encouraging variety.

Good list, but I'm a little worried about ScarfGlaceon being a tad too powerful. Adding the others, though.
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Looking at it, I can see what some of the possible threats might be, and certain possible walls start to develop already.

First of all, Rain takes a huge hit here. Sun has Vulpix, Sand has Hippopotas, and Hail has Snover. I can already see sand sets making use of Herdier and Nosepass, and sun sets using Tropius and Charmeleon. Not that rain is entirely shafted. Swanna becomes a threat, for one, with Scald or Hydro Pump, and with Hurricane as its main STAB option, which would be quite reliable.

Glaceon, Flareon, Tropius, Banette, Chatot, and Swanna all stand out as effective attackers (high Special Attack and good STAB coverage; high attack and usable SpA with good STAB coverage and Guts; Chlorophyll/Solar Power and Growth; Effective typing for switching into the many Normal types here and is a rare ghost in the atmosphere; Special Attack and speed actually usable here, Nasty Plot, STAB Hyper Voice, Heat Wave; Hurricane and Hydro Pump in the rain). Magmar and Charmeleon, too, stand out quite a bit, especially in the sun provided by Vulpix.

This seems like a very defensively oriented pool, however, meaning that the real heroes are going to be the walls. Seadra is going to fit in pretty well, and I see Overcoat EvioVullaby being pretty usable here as well, not to mention Nosepass in sand with Eviolite. I can even see Marill being used as a Thick Fat Eviolite wall at times, even (although I fully expect it to be used predominantly as a sort-of sweeper). On the special side, Gothorita might make an impression. Who knows, Sealeo might be the next Stallrein. Skorupi and Whirlipede could be pretty good walls, too. In general, the wall usage will probably consist largely of NFE Pokemon, given the use of Eviolite.*

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Added Swoobat and Bibarel.

Thoughts on this simplistic pair? Too broken?
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Added Swoobat and Bibarel.

Thoughts on this simplistic pair? Too broken?
Swoobat is dangerous. Bibarel not so much.

Will look through this. PU is I think anything with a 2.56% or less usage in NU, so, you might want to use that list for a reference.
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Simple Calm Mind Swoobat? In a sun-heavy tier, with Heat Wave access?

EDIT: Yeah, but this isn't about usage statistics. It's about underrated Pokemon in an environment they can shine in.
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Swoobat is out.
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Swoobat is out.
By this logic, Ivysaur, Weepingbell, and Nuzleaf should be out to.

I disagree.
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Mr Mime? Lunatone? Solrock?

EDIT: Oh. Ivysaur. That's a scary thought. Forgot about weather, there.

...THIS IS GOING TO BE AWESOME. DELIBIRD REVENGES EVERY THREAT. DDD
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Mr Mime? Lunatone? Solrock?
I like Solrock and Lunatone. Both good BPers.

Mr. Mime can die.
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Probably not on the former, maybe on the latter two.

Is Mr. Mime with Technician legal yet?
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I would not put Beeheyem(or however you spell that) on the list. It is basically going to be the Reuinclulus of the FF tier.

God fuck Gen V Psychics with their unspellable names.
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Beeheyem would be a definate no.

They're like a special Banette with a movepool.
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Both Butterfree and Liepard look like huge threats.

Especially since Liepard does not need to run any Attack EVs at all to sweep.
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Are you referring to Foul Play, or some prankster trick?
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Are you referring to Foul Play, or some prankster trick?
Foul Play.

Yeah, it can be gimmicky, but with Prankster, not to mention that Liepard is the fastest in the tier right now, it seems dangerous.
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I was going to go "Don't we have a good amount of special attackers, though?".

Then I looked over the list and was like 'what happened to the special?'

Guys, what are your thoughts on TailPass Volbeat?
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I was going to go "Don't we have a good amount of special attackers, though?".

Then I looked over the list and was like 'what happened to the special?'

Guys, what are your thoughts on TailPass Volbeat?
Seems dangerous, but Prankster Liepard.
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*Reading over the data*

WAIT THEY GAVE LIEPARD U-TURN IN BW2?!
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Evolite Scraggy, Crogunk, Monferno and (to a lesser extent) Mankey- Liepard counters, or no? I'd think that the only way around her would be priority or hefty bulk, and those four seem to fit one of the two bills.
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WAIT THEY GAVE LIEPARD U-TURN IN BW2?!
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Evolite Scraggy, Crogunk, Monferno and (to a lesser extent) Mankey- Liepard counters, or no? I'd think that the only way around her would be priority or hefty bulk, and those four seem to fit one of the two bills.
Yeah, they do well. The problem is that Liepard tends to run Parafusion, which needless to say is devastating. Actually, pairing it with Diglett is not a bad idea to get rid of Monferno and Croagunk.
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Huh, that really narrows that list down to Shed Skin Scraggy...

What about Evolite Swadloon? And, to a lesser extent, Whirlipede, Larvesta and Dweble?
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I had Liepard pegged for more of an anti-lead, myself. Sucker Punch, Priority Taunt.

Also, unless Liepard is running Rock Smash for some strange reason, it looks like Pawniard is a pretty good check, too.
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