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Old 11-23-2019, 02:04 AM   #1
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The Mandalorian

The Mandalorian follows the tales of a nameless Mandalorian (the same race as Boba Fett) in a post-Empire era of Star Wars. Like the famous Boba Fett, this Mandalorian is a bounty hunter, and although quite skilled, he's much younger than Fett and perhaps more open to change.

I'm two episodes in and the show has been solid. It does not exactly "feel" like Star Wars in the sense that there's a lack of free-wheeling camp that defined the original trilogy, but as far as live-action SW properties go, this is the best thing since Return of the Jedi.

I don't want to call it "faithful", because the prequels had the spirit of the originals but were simply bad movies. This looks, sounds, and plays like Star Wars but feels just a tad off. But that still puts it far closer than the Abrams films, Rogue One and Solo.

We'll see where this goes. If the story stays grounded, as part of a side-story, it could be the best SW-related cinematic product in 30 years.
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Old 11-23-2019, 12:02 PM   #2
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I've also been enjoying the series thus far. The western vibe infusion has been pretty good for keeping the series fresh compared to other Star Wars stories. Episode 1 has some sloppy CGI with the weird ice worm walrus. The rest has been pretty good.

I don't like to bring up politics in general, but I do feel like Star Wars mainline has been poisoned by Kathleen Kennedy and her SJW movement to push female empowerment at the cost of proper storytelling. The Mandalorian has been mostly made by Jon Favrou and Dave Filoni and even had input from George Lucas as I've heard, so I think it feels better because we're not having the SJW stuff shoved down our throats. We're just telling a story and it happens to be done well cinematically.

Also, Mandalorian isn't a race, but rather it's a culture. You don't have to be born a Mandalorian to become one. And Jango Fett and Boba Fett were both not seen as true Mandalorians despite his armaments and armor. It's trained and you can be inducted into the culture.

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It has only been hinted at thus far, but I think the titular Mandalorian is likely a war orphan from the Clone Wars and he was probably taken in by Mandalorians and accepted into their group. He was likely not born Mandalorian. I think this is why he often gives to foundlings (other orphans).
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Old 11-23-2019, 01:57 PM   #3
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It got off to a bad start for me because the first scene I saw was carbonite casings in the Mandalorian's ship. The original carbonite transport was an ad hoc solution Vader came up with using Cloud City's mining facilities. It was not some standardized method of transporting prisoners.

Some other nitpicks are the Mandalorian blacksmith being an obvious woman from the hairstyle (I would have preferred it a surprise), which likely is that Kathleen Kennedy influence. The "bounty droid" somehow making it ahead of the Mandalorian to the slaver's base, despite the Mandalorian needing to ride the two-legged Bantha to get there.

Werner Herzog name-dropping "parsec" and too much in-universe jibberish. Like that metal that the Mandalorian got had an imperceptible name, it could simply be called "Mandalorium" and we the audience would have immediately picked up on the significance of it, instead of needing exposition later to explain it.

Mostly episode I nitpicks. I felt the second episode was a lot more organic about things.
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Old 11-23-2019, 04:28 PM   #4
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Beskar as the metal for their armor has been around since at least the Star Wars Clone Wars cartoon in terms of canon sourced media. It's been around since the late 80s from the Dark Horse Comic series before that although I don't think those are canon anymore.

I personally don't think it was hard to follow. They literally bring it up in the first scene with the Mandalorian (I'll now refer to our hero as Mando since it gets confusing when I also bring up the group) in the bar where the thugs scratch his armor and ask if it's really made of Beskar. Then they followed it up with the Imperial Officer talking to the Mando about how he feels it's important for the Mandalorians get it back. Then the scene immediately after has his pauldron forged. The scenes very easily convey what Beskar Steel is and how it's culturally significant to the Mandalorians.

And if it was called Mandalorium, I would feel like it's lazy world building.
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Oh, I guess I missed that. The episode started for me at the carbonite scene. If it was properly introduced/identified then I take that back. It wasn't the only jargon-related confusion, just the only one I specifically remember.
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Enjoyable 4th episode. I can't say it was flawless, but I enjoyed it still despite some issues.

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Why Mando allowed the baby to walk around is beyond me. At least wrap it up and carry it in your arm so people can't tell what it is on sight. Also, I feel like he shoulda dirtied up his armor a bit. It's so brightly shiny it makes him so easy to spot. I know his armor represents his change from a gruff bounty hunter to now the baby's shining guardian, but when you're on the run, it's probably best if you hid yourself.

Cara Dune got me so confused. Not her character, but rather her name sounds like Caleb Dume, the original name of Kanan Jarrus from Star Wars Rebels. Their names were soooo similar. And they had a Loth-Cat too, which added another potential reference to Rebels.

Also, I can't take AT-STs seriously as a threat of any kind. Not when Carebears took them down with booby traps. Also, as threatening as the raiders were, there were no villager fatalities that we saw. Not their first raid of the krill farm, not their attack with the AT-ST. They were so comically disorganized, I didn't feel like they were a threat at all after the initial attack. Like if they didn't have the walker, Mando could have just given them all guns and they would have been no threat. A few scenes of a few villagers at least getting shot (not necessarily dying) or getting outmatched in melee combat would have made it more exciting. Like the two idiots villagers losing their fight with the guy I had assumed was the raider boss and then Mando taking him out quickly as he ran to the fallen AT-ST would have made Mando more badass and also give the raiders a bit more credibility as a threat. I don't know if this was some kind of Disney "family friendly" moment. Because we had Manda incinerate Stormtroopers last episode, so this episode felt off-tone.

Also, this is a repeated story Star Wars has used over it's many series. Clone Wars episode Bounty Hunters was pretty much the same plot. Anakin, Obi-wan, and Ahsohka crash land near a farming village. The village is under threat by some pirates with a CIS Battle Tank and originally hired some mercenaries to help fight them off. The Jedi decide to help and they fight off Hondo's pirate crew. And that episode had more threatening bad guys despite being a kid's cartoon! One of the mercenaries appears to die, but he was actually a tiny alien in a human sized battle mech suit (like MIB).

The color design for the costumes though felt very George Lucas. Like everything was so mono-colored with the blue-green tones EVERYWHERE. I get they live in the backwoods of some swamp world, but this feels so lazy. And George always made things very mono. This whole planet is a desert. This whole planet is ice. This whole planet is swamp. This whole planet is temperate. And now this planet is blue-green woods.


Probably consider this a weaker episode in the series, but not one that ruins the show for me.
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Old 11-30-2019, 06:28 AM   #7
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I also thought it was weird that the baby could walk, but I figured it was more intelligent than people let on. It's only physically restricted by its small size and weakness, so mentally it could be more developed but handicapped.

I didn't care for the female bounty hunter, her actress looked the part but didn't do a good acting job. I kept getting the impression she was an actress or an overdub, such a dissonance from appearance and voice.

The raid was unbelievable but not because of fatalities. My extended family's shrimp farm was raided by the NPA 20 years ago. Raiders don't kill the farmers, they need them alive to parasite off of. They simply walk into the village, point their guns at the farmers and say "We'll take those". What can the farmers do? So the running away and shooting part was over-dramatized, especially if this isn't the first raid.

I also found it unrealistic for the villagers to get trained in one day. In the Marine Corps it takes several days and those are people vested in military training. I get that all they were doing was standing behind barricades but, eh. The AT-ST should have set fire to the entire place simply shooting those barricades.

For the AT-ST itself, I also found that scene ridiculous. Initially I thought it was an AT-AT walker which would have explained Mando's reluctance to battle it. Little known fact, AT-ATs were present on Endor, just not around where the shield generator was located.
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Episode 05

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The episode was fine until the rookie bounty hunter shot Ming-Na Wen. Up until this point the rookie was portrayed as inexperienced and desperate, but not dumb. He tried to trick Mando and was able to handle the battle with Ming-Na Wen decently enough in spite of his inexperience.

Shooting his quarry then trying to double cross Mando was like. Inexplicably stupid. He could have just knocked her out and still filed in the claim, coming back later to deal with Mando a la Yun from Jedi Knight.

Good episode hurt by a shoddy ending. For a Tatooine episode, they managed to not overfill it with fanservice too.
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