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Old 09-01-2020, 06:07 PM   #1
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Snorlax Curry Cooking

So, just gonna start the discussion off with listing some bullet points people have brought up:

-a way to increase Bond with Pokémon
-a way to increase Contest stats
-possible Secret Base feature?

A rough idea of how I can see it working is this:

-player selects a key ingredient as a base (for free? if just for aesthetic purposes)
-can then add up to five(?) Berries
-flavor depends on most predominant type of Berry added, or randomly selected out of types added if all different flavors
-Contest stat gain will be the combined total of values towards that flavor based on Bulbapedia's listing, maxing out at 100
-Bond gain will always start at +1 no matter the type of Curry
-if more than one player participates by each contributing a Berry(s), Bond gain will be an additional +1 for each extra person (max +5 Bond), and all parties will receive a copy of the same Curry
-Curry can only be fed to one Pokémon
-if player chooses to RP, Bond can also be collected for posts of 250 words or more

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Old 09-01-2020, 06:39 PM   #2
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-if more than one player participates by each contributing a Berry(s), Bond gain will be an additional +1 for each extra person (max +5 Bond), and all parties will receive a copy of the same Curry
-Curry can only be fed to one Pokémon
-if player chooses to RP, Bond can also be collected for posts of 250 words or more
To expand on this a little, maybe there could be large-scale curry cookouts where a bunch of players can come together and cook together (RP would be required?). Rather than just one Pokemon gaining benefits from the cooking, large group curry cooking could feed up to a whole party, however, they have to be brought to the cook-out.

I could also see curry competitons where the players compete in teams to make the best curry (what is "best" could be decided by judges; it could be best-tasting, fits a given theme the best, etc.), deciding among themselves on a key ingredient(s) and flavor for the curry.

Another team curry activity I thought of are curry "raids." Essentially, each player and their Pokemon contribute a curry ingredient (or maybe even a whole curry) to feed an extremely hungry rampaging Pokemon. Once the Pokemon is satisfied and full, the "raid" ends and the players would be rewarded. Different curries would have different effects, and would also have varying effectiveness depending on the Pokemon (ex: Smoked-Tail curry couldn't be fed to Slowpoke and its evolutions).
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Old 09-01-2020, 07:41 PM   #3
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Are you saying that a Slowpoke isn't dumb enough to enjoy eating it's own tail? The description also does imply they fall off and regrow.

"One of the many ingredients that can be used for cooking at your camp. When a Slowpoke's tail falls off, it grows back quickly."

I can totally see a Slowpoke wandering around and eating it's own fallen-off tail without realizing it. They are dumber than rocks.


Oh, right. I do need to add something useful to the discussion.


When it comes to multiple people having a cookout, maybe each person just gets more Curry they can use on their team- but the same Pokemon can't have more than one serving of course. EDIT: reread proposal post, each serving gives a Pokemon +1 Bond and +a portion of the Contest Stats the entire Curry batch had. Giving all the Curry to one Pokemon gives all the Bond gain possible from that Curry and all the Contest Stats that were in it.

Keep in mind that this is intended to be a berry dump. If the GMs/Shop Owner wishes to add extra fluff to the cooking (it's a bake off, farmer's market, camping on a trail, etc). Maybe the setting for the cooking could change once a month or something- but it's a default setting to give context to whatever short RP blurbs people want to put up.

Alternatively or in addition: just let people RP whatever setting they want if they really want to. I see this more applying to people who are cooking as a group/cooking at a secret base. If cooking at a secret base, then still post in the "Curry Shop" the barebone details of what you're doing, but link to the applicable RP post as well (and you can get Bond for it still). This is simply so that verification of berries and stuff is easier for whoever ends up running the Curry Shop.

However, I feel that big cooking-related events ("CURRY RAID: FEED THE GIGANTAMAX SNORLAX!!!" or "Overdramatic Cooking Anime: FB Edition") should be their own separate thing. The latter idea could just be a setting for a group cooking activity- but the cooking contest would have no actual prizes attached to it since it's just fluff! Unless it's an actual event- which I would like to see for some kind of Thanksgiving/"Winter Festival" thing to be honest. (Though Thanksgiving is an American thing... so I dunno.)

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Old 09-01-2020, 08:21 PM   #4
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Keep in mind that this is intended to be a berry dump.
Yeah, I kinda forgot about that when I made my post. Sorry.
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(Though Thanksgiving is an American thing... so I dunno.)
This is tangential to the discussion, but a few other countries also celebrate Thanksgiving, such as Liberia and Canada, although on different days (Canada's is around two months earlier than the US's celebration IIRC).
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Old 09-03-2020, 03:56 PM   #5
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While mini-events would be a cute prospect, I'd like to get a baseline for how the system actually functions first before considering extra features. I tried to design the structure in a way that balances both fairness and ease for the SO to calculate results. Do people agree with this kind of input-output arrangement or do the numbers need to be tweaked?
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Old 09-04-2020, 10:16 AM   #6
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Double-post sorry, but what do people think about Curry granting Levels? Since in the game Camping does also give a little experience. Maybe there can be an option to choose between Contest stat boosts and Levels for people who prefer one or the other?

This is totally not me looking for another avenue my shop-eschewing Petilil will allow to let her Level Up *shot*
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I do have a couple comments on how the rewards for cooking should work, just been too busy to get them up.

All the values on the Bulbapedia are 10, 15, 20- etc. How that does break down to the actual stat gains? If I dumb 5 Cheri berries in do I get 50 Coolness back out? I believe that the max in-game value for Contest Stats is 255, but what's the limit in FB though?

In any case, I feel like dividing the values that berries have by 5 (10 Coolness instead) when all put together probably makes a little more sense? Though to be fair I have little idea what I'm doing when trying to think of numbers that "feel good". I have no idea what the stat gains for the previous ways to gain Contest Stats were either.

(I'm going to assume that whether or not Contests are coming back doesn't matter for this conversation right now.)

The other thing I want to say I did mention earlier: What do you think of the idea of having extra people participate in the same Curry creates more servings as a result and each serving can be given to a different Pokemon for +1 Bond and a portion of the stat gains? It's a bit more flexible, but might also serve to over complicate things. The more I think about it, the more I'm not sure about the idea. I just think it would be a way to involve more Pokemon- but can all the Pokemon that were involved also get a RP Bond point?
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My main thoughts on curry making are that it should be part of a wider camping feature, or at least a shop presented in a camping setting with roleplay optional. Everything from the curry ingredients to the cooking methods are evocative of a camp cookup.

I like the idea of a camping thread similar to the old free-RP areas but I worry that could detract from zone activity, which is why these types of areas were phased out in the first place. Camping is pretty much the closest thing Sw/Sh has to secret bases so it might make things simpler to incorporate into that section of the game as an alternative to a shop, although perhaps it's better they stand alone.

And finally, while I know contest stats matter to some members they don’t to many others, which is fair enough since they have been a redundant metric for over a decade now. I’m not sure if curry should raise contest stats since there’s no in-game precedent or need in FB either as it stands, unless contests are eventually revived.
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All the values on the Bulbapedia are 10, 15, 20- etc. How that does break down to the actual stat gains? If I dumb 5 Cheri berries in do I get 50 Coolness back out? I believe that the max in-game value for Contest Stats is 255, but what's the limit in FB though?
I left the values as is according to Bulbapedia for now to keep it simple, so yeah 5 Cheri Berries would equal 50 Coolness. Max Contest Stats in FB have traditionally capped at 100.

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In any case, I feel like dividing the values that berries have by 5 (10 Coolness instead) when all put together probably makes a little more sense? Though to be fair I have little idea what I'm doing when trying to think of numbers that "feel good". I have no idea what the stat gains for the previous ways to gain Contest Stats were either.
I did consider dividing the numbers by five, but I worried it would make the process too slow in the other direction if someone doesn't have huge amounts of same flavored Berries to dump. Granted, while I don't know the exact method behind the old calculations for making Pokéblocks/Poffins, it was possible to create ones with +5 point gains.

This is also part of why I proposed Levels as an alternative boost instead. (Perhaps they only apply if the affected Contest stat is already maxed out? Idk. Like Emp said a lot of people probably don't care about Contest stats in the first place given they have no use in FB right now, so it'd be nice if they could get something else out of Curry other than just Bond.)

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The other thing I want to say I did mention earlier: What do you think of the idea of having extra people participate in the same Curry creates more servings as a result and each serving can be given to a different Pokemon for +1 Bond and a portion of the stat gains? It's a bit more flexible, but might also serve to over complicate things. The more I think about it, the more I'm not sure about the idea. I just think it would be a way to involve more Pokemon- but can all the Pokemon that were involved also get a RP Bond point?
I did want to keep things as simplified as possible, so that only one Pokémon reaps the benefits rather than having to deal with dividing portions. (Kinda like how in the game you only get to see the first Pokémon in the party eating.) To accommodate other Pokémon participating I figured being able to collect Bond for RPing their involvement would suffice as an extra reward.

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My main thoughts on curry making is that it should be part of a wider camping feature, or at least a shop presented in a camping setting with roleplay optional. Everything from the curry ingredients to the cooking methods are evocative of a camp cookup.

I like the idea of a camping thread similar to the old free-RP areas but I worry that could detract from zone activity, which is why these types of areas were phased out in the first place. Camping is pretty much the closest thing Sw/Sh has to secret bases so it might make things simpler to incorporate into that section of the game as an alternative to a shop, although perhaps it's better they stand alone.
I agree RP should be optional, but the idea of a "mini-Zone/free RP area" thread does sound cute, kinda like how the The Realm of Shadows functions right now.
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I don't have a whole lot to add to all this. I'm in agreement with the notion of this being a way to increase level, Bond, and Contest stats, and I'm all for RP being optional yet rewarded, like with raids. I should also add that in the misc. ideas thread, I've proposed my idea for an additional purpose for Contest stats, so the curry cooking boosting Contest stats would in fact have more of an incentive to happen, possibly even for those not actually interested in Contests.
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Thinking about it more, it probably does make better sense to divide the Berry values by 5 - especially if we introduce MM's idea to add more reward incentive for maxing out Contest stats. I just wanted to be able to easily add up by clean, even numbers haha.

Levels-wise, how should those be calculated? Maybe same as Bond? Default is +1 per Curry, can be increased up to +5 if more people participate?
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Okay so this conversation has come to enough of a natural lull that I feel comfortable injecting this bit of controversy into it without it literally dying from any amount of argument this might cause.

I like this idea. It's a good way to get rid of excess berries and frankly we need more ways to raise Pokemon stats given most people literally cannot keep up with the amount of Pokemon they acquire on a regular basis.

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I feel like as currently proposed this idea pushes us a bit too far towards Shop Simulator for my liking, a status quo we as a community pushed hard against for quite some time. I'm not saying that the idea needs redone altogether, but I personally feel like anything like this wherein there is trainer to Pokemon interaction implicitly should require at least some amount of RP. Not a lot, certainly not the 250 words we require for most things, but perhaps a 100 word requirement as a tack on to secret bases to keep things feeling organic and preventing us from straying too far into the realm of shop posts once more.
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I feel like as currently proposed this idea pushes us a bit too far towards Shop Simulator for my liking, a status quo we as a community pushed hard against for quite some time. I'm not saying that the idea needs redone altogether, but I personally feel like anything like this wherein there is trainer to Pokemon interaction implicitly should require at least some amount of RP. Not a lot, certainly not the 250 words we require for most things, but perhaps a 100 word requirement as a tack on to secret bases to keep things feeling organic and preventing us from straying too far into the realm of shop posts once more.
If we do require RP, then I stand by my original statement of keeping the Berry stat value gains as is listed on Bulbapedia.
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I'm sorry but frankly the concept of five trainers that all participated in the same raid all going in on a single batch of curry and each getting to max a contest stat and gain 5 bond off just one of the berries they receive from said raid is absolutely ludicrous.
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Look I'm really not a maths person so I don't know what the most balanced approach would be. Personally all I'm interested in is the aesthetics of Contest stats, whether or not they have a purpose at this time, and/or getting rid of my Berries in a quick and efficient manner. I've never been a big fan of forced RP and don't intend to RP much when it comes to cooking in the long run, so I'd rather get more bang for my buck if RP is indeed required. ...Mostly though I've been planning from the perspective of running the operation myself if possible (just so I could write flavor text for the intro at least), so I'm simply trying to make things as painless as possible on both ends. Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż

Edit- How about this: We do divide the Berry stat values by 5, and make RP mandatory only if other players are involved - but you can still choose to solo "Shop Simulate" if you want? Does that sound fair? Idk anymore. x.x

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It's more a matter of dividing by 5 needs to happen just kinda outright, really.

As far as actual RP goes, yeah mandatory RP is by and large not great but only really for some things. My point is less "this requires RP" and more "this is very much bordering on the same issues we had in pre-Fizzylution where literally everything can be gained from a shop with no RP anywhere ever". Like it becomes an issue of why bother RPing regularly when you get a free 30 bond a month by just using your berries from raids with other trainers here? We already have basically everything else available through non-RP methods so why should we also allow Bond, let alone to such a major degree?
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It's more a matter of dividing by 5 needs to happen just kinda outright, really.

As far as actual RP goes, yeah mandatory RP is by and large not great but only really for some things. My point is less "this requires RP" and more "this is very much bordering on the same issues we had in pre-Fizzylution where literally everything can be gained from a shop with no RP anywhere ever". Like it becomes an issue of why bother RPing regularly when you get a free 30 bond a month by just using your berries from raids with other trainers here? We already have basically everything else available through non-RP methods so why should we also allow Bond, let alone to such a major degree?
Fair, I just panicked when you suggested there should be an RP requirement at all. Like I said before thinking about it from a general standpoint dividing by 5 is probably the better way to go.

If we really want to adhere to the "RP = Bond" philosophy, we can just make the Bond portion RP-restricted period. Curry by itself can still grant Levels and Contest stats, but you only get the (extra) Bond bonus if you actually RP for it.
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