06-02-2014, 04:23 PM | #2276 |
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I don't think I've ever been boned by moveset outcomes in Randbats, I usually get boned by having a crappy team compared to one that's 50% or more Übers.
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06-02-2014, 04:33 PM | #2277 |
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Ah, thanks Talon.
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06-02-2014, 04:37 PM | #2278 |
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Yeah I complain about the RandBats all the time. Like obvious dedicated attackers not having a STAB move... ugh. If there are any changes to how RandBats moves are decided, I'll let ya'll know.
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06-02-2014, 05:28 PM | #2279 |
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Yeah I've been frustrated quite a few times in the case that I get something like Druddigon where the only attacking move it has is ThunderPunch. With some pokemon it isn't as bad (like Escavalier, who basically has all attacking moves + SD), but with things like Claydol you might get screwed over with just Ice Beam, you might get no attacking moves bar Rapid Spin, you never know.
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06-02-2014, 05:50 PM | #2280 |
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There are some cases where you're better off without a STAB move than with one. Since you mention Claydol, he's a pretty good example: I'd rather have Ice Beam, Reflect/Light Screen, Stealth Rock, and {some other move; Rapid Spin, the other screen, Toxic} than have either Earth Power or Earthquake overwrite Ice Beam or Stealth Rock. STAB doesn't help Claydol out too much and plenty of things are immune to Ground-type attacks. But Ice Beam? Ice Beam, even without a STAB to back it up, is going to decimate those pesky Dragon/Flying or Dragon/Ground dragons as well as (if you're not killed by Giga Drain / Leaf Storm first) those peskier Harvest Sitrus Berry Tropius.
I agree though that in general you want to have a damage-dealing move of one of your own types.
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06-02-2014, 07:55 PM | #2281 |
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Yeah, I can see your point about that. And at least nothing is immune to Ice. But in some cases the moves have been like Toxic/Light Screen/Reflect/Rapid Spin and I'm just like "Seriously?" Yes, the screens and toxic have some utility, but Claydol quickly becomes set up fodder for the other team so I basically use it as a free switch in for one of my pokemon (see: death fodder).
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06-02-2014, 08:40 PM | #2283 |
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Tiers come into play before BST, but stuff like Farfetch'd is gonna be a higher level than like, say, Sawk.
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06-02-2014, 08:56 PM | #2284 | |
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Dodrio is pretty phenomenal. You can use him early game to put your enemy in a corner with respect to switching options or you can save him for endgame to carry out a merciless sweep of the enemy's remaining forces. Swellow (Guts, Toxic Orb, Facade) is in this same camp as are a number of other UU, RU, or NU Normals. Ninetales is definitely powerful but I find that she tends to fail to sweep more easily than the Flying/Normal superstars do. Too much Flash Fire, Drizzle, etc. Her Grass Knot against enemy Kyogre fails to OHKO, which is disappointing, and away she goes. Give me a Flame Orb Magic Guard Sigilyph or a Hone Claws Hustle Durant any day over a Groudon or a Zekrom. This isn't right. See above. The Random Battle tier makes gods out of men and men out of gods. Some Übers remain über even in Random Battle (Mewtwo, Lugia, Xerneas) but many of the OU heroes are Random Battle's equivalent of UU and vice versa. Cobalion > Virizion > Terrakion is one example. Swellow is the format's equivalent of an OU star and outperforms Random Battle Alakazam, Gardevoir, Groudon, Zekrom, etc. The point is that the tiers are shaken up in Random Battle. You can't say "OU is OU, UU is UU, but within those boxes things have been shaken up." It just isn't accurate to say. :\ Some RU Pokémon are RandBat monarchs while some OU Pokémon are RandBat paupers.
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06-02-2014, 09:26 PM | #2285 |
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Thats not exactly what I meant. I meant that the levels of the Pokemon are based off of the tiers and not the BST (except in extreme cases). Most OU Pokes are ~72 or so, while UU is like ~78. So on and so forth. I didnt mean that the tier determines the viability of a Pokemon, because thats simply not true.
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06-02-2014, 10:14 PM | #2286 |
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When you face a team that has 3 title legends and you've got stuff that's likely 1/3 OU at best, rest of it lower in Randbats...
Then you can talk to me about getting screwed team wise. Because that has legitimately happened to me. And levels don't do crap. In my Pearl version, my highest level is like 44-45, yet I can still kick the shit out of Flint's level SIXTY ONE Infernape. Making a legends level lower doesn't make it any less of a powerhouse.
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06-02-2014, 11:06 PM | #2287 |
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When you get your Random Battle Elo score up past 1500, then you can talk to me about understanding why the box cover legendaries are typically the worst legendaries you could ask for in Random Battle and why it is more of an embarrassment than anything else to say, "I lost to a team that had three of them! "
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06-02-2014, 11:11 PM | #2288 |
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Some of the dragons aren't bad. Palkia's probably the best of them, since most of his attacks are, well, attacking moves, with Flame Charge Reshiram and the Kyurem Forms right behind (not pure Kyurem though). Giratina-O is definitely the worst. Usually no recovery (the only is RestTalk I believe), yet they sometimes give him Substitute, and pretty poor attacking stats.
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06-03-2014, 05:35 AM | #2289 |
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>Mewtwo, Lugia, Xerneas remain Über
Oh my god Xerneas for most broken RandBats mon. Another legend I really like in RandBats is Darkrai, even at Level 70 I think it is. You have to work around Choice Scarf if you want to use Dark Void but it's just so valuable sometimes. Love it.
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06-03-2014, 02:04 PM | #2290 |
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>Giratina-O
No Altered is a million times worse.
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06-03-2014, 02:26 PM | #2291 |
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At least Altered has Leftovers or something. It functions decently as a wall.
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06-03-2014, 02:31 PM | #2292 |
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I think both Giratinas are fine in Random Battle. It depends on how you use them, what moves you're given, and what you're up against (a lot of variables), but on average I would say that Giratina-O is Random Battle's equivalent of "UU serviceable in OU" and default Giratina is the equivalent of solid UU.
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Ugh I'm going against my better judgement and making a VGC team with both Murkrow and Honchkrow named LeFou and Gaston respectively. LeFou plays the same as all other Murkrows with Taunt / Tailwind / Thunder Wave and Gaston is offensive with Assurance / Sucker Punch / Brave Bird. Anyone have any suggestions for other Pokemon?
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Hi, my name is Blaze, and I approve of the FFVI references.
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Yes, I just started the game on my iPad, and though I'm lost after shadow just left for the first time, love the game. I slipped in some of my custom names because I cant remember some of the default ones.
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>Using Mega Venusaur when you could be using Five Dozen the Exeggutor
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