12-06-2011, 02:11 PM | #27 |
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Pros: Quoted Pokemon The Movie: 2000 Cons: Quoted Pokemon The Movie: 2000 Too bad he dropped out. I woulda loved a President quoting Pokemon in every speech. These are quotes I had looked forward to hearing from Herman Cain's speeches: "There's no sense in going out of your way just to get somebody to like you." - Ash Ketchum "We have a proud tradition of failure to uphold" - James, Team Rocket "Jigglypuff, Jigglyyyypuff. Jigglypuff, Jigglyyyy. Jigglypuff, Jigglyyypuff. Jigglypuff Jiggly. JIgglypuff, Jigglypuff, Jigglypuff, Jiggly. Jiggly Jigglypuff Jigglypuff, Jigglypuff. Jigglypuff, Jigglyyypuff. Jigglypuff, Jiggly. Jigglypuff, Jigglyyypuff. Jigglypuff Jiggly." - Jigglypuff |
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But you are correct, insulting my intelligence will get you nowhere, and is usually the sign of a lost argument. I'm willing to have reasonable debate, on substance, but when all I get is persecution for my viewpoint, it really just solidifies my beliefs. Quote:
Unfortunately, individual truth, can only be determined by limited input and analysis, based upon already learned knowledge, which is still predicated upon previous analysis and input. Ultimately, much of what is considered "truth," can only be had on faith, and personal experience and experimentation. Is the earth flat? Lots of people say so, but I've never circled it myself, so I have to take the evidence and make a decision on which belief to espouse to. Is the sun really there and really a big ball of gas? Or maybe it's just an extremely elaborate skybox? I've never been in space, nor seen and experienced it's size or heat. Lots of people say it is a big ball of gas, and tout their satellite photos as proof. Do I take their evidence at face value, or maybe they're just lying to me? Obviously these are absurd examples, but the point is still there. Everything we haven't experienced ourselves, we can only make a decision to believe on faith or not. So, Is Rush Limbaugh wrong? Is Sean Hannity wrong? Is Conservatism wrong? Ultimately Rush and Sean get all their news from other sources, they just report what interests them, or they feel needs to be exposed. What they do do, is relate it to other instances of the same, and base their opinions on their personal experiences and instances of the same in other places. Course I am. Everyone is. You can't be alive without having had some sort of delusion given to you, be it either during your raising, during your schooling, or during your adult life. Everyone has them, if we didn't, we'd all be exactly the same, knowing every truth from every lie. |
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12-07-2011, 03:02 AM | #30 |
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Enjoying Your Online Porn? Thank Newt Gingrich
Aside from the Republican debates I had no idea who this man was, so I did a little googling and came across this unavoidable article. Who knew this guy potentially saved the lives of a nation of horny teenaged Americans Last edited by Silver Wind; 12-07-2011 at 03:04 AM. |
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What's bad about Reforming the EPA? They're much to restrictive on businesses as they are now. A lot of good the Department of Education is doing us now. Government should not be directly involved with education. It's just as easy for Government to Brainwash as it is for private schools, and I'd prefer to have a choice in which school gets to brainwash my kids with what values. His audits may cost money, but in the long run, cutting out the wasteful spending, wasteful unelected government agencies, and removing restrictive regulations, will end up saving the American taxpayer billions, and shrink the government down to where it ought to be. Quote:
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Minumum Wage used to be $5.50 an hour anyway. Unfortunately, inflation, taxes, and other prices went up, so such a wage is unfeasible, and close to impossible to live on nowadays. I remember getting paid just above minimum wage a few years ago, then I got a hefty raise, and then government raised the Minimum wage to just under what I was paid again.. Quote:
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*winces every time federal-sponsored education is mentioned*
As long as the Dept. of Education continues to stand, more and more schools will have four-day weeks. Gerridofit. You have extra legislation that only gets in the way of allowing the damn schools to run themselves. With the Dept. of Education, the same policies that are meant for poor kids in Harlem are being implemented for normal kids with no problems at all in, say, Florida, who are then forced to abide by the same stupid restrictions as everyone else in the country. Gerridofit. Not to mention that because it's federally regulated there's nothing the states can do about it. 'Slike Iraq - a total nightmare that needs to end as soon as possible. States for Education - Woo! However, this is the only thing I think Perry does right and he probably is not going to get elected ever. He's a bit like Sarah Palin now. Right now I support Obama and I think if the extremists on the right let go of him he can actually do something. Like, talk to Boehner and come up with another reasonable and well-thought-out plan to fix the deficit and ensure the safety of the entire country and maybe Congress can approve it this time D:<
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What's wrong with federally standardized education? It ensures that all occupants of the United States who are attending schools are held up to the same standards and given (roughly) the same level of education as everywhere else.
I mean, in practice, since the US is such a large scale, it probably would be a bit of a nightmare to fund, but federal level education definitely has its advantages and could potentially bring us up in the world as a country if we can boast that we have a universally high level of education like the Japanese or many European nations. Skipping a little back and ahead for this question for unownmew: What do you think of Hillary Clinton? |
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I don't understand in that case, why you would support Obama. If anyone is going to give states their rights, it'll be conservatives. Most Republican are more concerned with being seen as "moderate" and compromizing, while the solution democrats usually have for any problem is, more centralized Government, and more control over people's lives. Unfortunately yes Perry's currently stalled, but that doesn't mean he can't win the nomination later. Cain used to be in the lead, till he was bombarded with unfounded accusations and quit. Now Newt's up in the polls an getting a vetting. It's still anybody's game until the primaries. If you like Perry, vote for him in your state primary, and donate to his campaign. |
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In theory, yes, but it was implemented in a totally backwards manner and poorly funded. Don't scold bad schools; encourage good ones. Schools will fight for increased funding but putting them under the pressure of losing their jobs due to poor performance just causes teacher-driven cheating (like what happened in the lovely city of Atlanta last spring!) and other under-the-table activities which undermine the idea of education altogether.
It's not as much NCLB that I think is a good idea as much as I think setting national standards for education is a good idea. If we can boast a well-educated populous, suddenly Americans become a lot more appealing and America itself is going to be a better place, I'd hope. |
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granted i skimmed this, but all i see is the biggest hoodwinking on the fucking planet
democrats? republicans? both garbage, but they somehow divided and conquered the american public to turn on themselves instead of the shit system we have :/ as for the pro/con obama, i honestly don't see him being any different than any other politician. as i see it, people are mostly pissed at him because he was supposed to be different but one simply cannot walk into Mordor without playing the scumbag "politics" of politics.
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For those who feel similarly to Gr or are generally dissatisfied with how the American voting process is set up, here's an interesting series of videos describing why the American political system is essentially fundamentally flawed using cute pictures of animals and simple explanations.
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The truth of the matter is, the best educational system would be one which bars failing students from moving on into upper-level courses but without stigmatizing it as much as current society does. People are so afraid of failing and what it will mean for them at home (a beating?), at school (humiliation?), and after they graduate (people assuming they're stupid because their age doesn't match their grade level). To me, this is the problem. A kid should not be passed on to the next level of coursework if he genuinely doesn't understand what's going on, but neither should he be "held back a grade" because of it. Perhaps education reform needs to see us make it so that kids graduate at age 18 regardless and that, at the end of that road, they can opt in (or opt out) of staying on to complete what in today's world we consider to be the bare minimum requirements for a high school diploma or whether they want to enter the work force immediately. That way, there's less of a stigma attached. You're still with the kids who are your age and you're not kept an entire grade level behind just because you struggled with one or two topics (e.g. kid struggles with math but is an honors student in English and history). Perhaps another reform change worth considering is the artificial reimplementation of apprenticeships or specialized education starting even from a very young age. Part of the reason we moved away from that model of education was because we wanted to (as the saying goes) broaden children's horizons. We wanted to let the explore all the possibilities of what they could become when they grow up and let them have a good shot at picking a career path in which they excel and in which they can be happy. But this system is really only beneficial for (1) those honors kids who ace everything or else (2) those stoner kids who get C's and D's in everything. For everybody else -- for all the kids who have particular strengths and particular weaknesses -- I'm not sure this model of education always works best. Maybe it does. I dunno. I'm not an education theory Ph.D. holder and I most definitely personally benefited from the status quo. But sometimes I wonder if maybe kids at the age of 12/13 should already be being shuffled off onto specialization tracks. If someone's life is music, do they really need to study calculus or chemistry?
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Having certain standards is all well and good, but if you make schools compete with each other, they will naturally try to provide the highest quality for the lowest cost, in order to attract customers. When everyone does the same thing, you can't choose from the good or the bad. Why is it that most Universities are private, if public and standardized education is the best method? If Japan has such a high level of education, perhaps instead of going "federal", we should try to emulate their system. Which, if I'm not mistaken, is utilizes competition between schools Quote:
Although, I do have to thank Obama for one thing, and that is exposing what liberalism truly is, and being the reason for America's mobilization against it (sweeping TEA party victory in the House of Representatives). If it weren't for him, I doubt government corruption would ever be exposed as deeply as it has in our lifetime. And I'll pose a question back: What do you think of Michelle Bachmann? (BTW, I like your Avatar) |
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If you read my next post, you'll see that I pretty much agree with you totally and actually reference the article you posted (it was a pretty big thing where I live, considering it's only an hour south). >What do you think of Michelle Bachmann? Quite honestly, I don't care about her policy because I think she's a homophobe and is hardly eloquent enough to hold her own on the domestic stage, let alone the international. There are so many better candidates for the first female president and I think she's doing the country a disservice. I don't necessarily think that Hillary Clinton is a better candidate but she does have solid federal and international experience. I don't really remember any of her stances on social or economic issues (though I do recall not really caring for her economic policy proposals), but she definitely looks good as a candidate as far as ethos goes. Frankly, there's no woman who's presented herself that seems to me as a good candidate for a female president. I really hope there will be soon, Republican or Democrat, but as it stands, no one really fits the bill. Hillary is close but she's got some unappealing elements to her as well that I'm not a huge fan of (including her husband being president at one point, not that I have a problem with Bill). >Talon I pretty much agree with you but that kind of individualized attention is neigh impossible to execute on a large scale or in a way that actually accounts for talents early enough so that when the kids get to high school or college they don't decide that they've made a huge mistake. People change, and locking them into a path early on can be a bit crippling personally. I dunno, maybe I'm jumping to conclusions a bit. The model seems to work fairly well in Japan so who's to say it won't work here?
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Some fair criticism, I think, though the topic opens up a whole other can of worms, which I'd rather not get into in this thread. To stay on point: She is against gays even though one of her own family members is one: Whatever you may think about the issue of homosexuality, this is also a proof that she will not compromise on her convictions, which is an ideal quality in any leader, and will prove useful in an environment we've all agreed is fraught with corruption. She is prejudiced against them: the only evidence I see here for this claim, is she supported not giving marriage rights to homosexuals, which, by the way, Marriage, is not a right to be given by government. She may not like them, she may not support them, and she may do things in her power to change them, but does this mean she will deny them their constitutional rights, like Blacks have had done to them? I'm sure every president has had a person or persons they disliked. Also, please do not abuse the word homophobe. A Phobia is an irrational fear, and anxiety disorder, something that should be completely understandable and accepted, instead of demonized. Instead of being prejudiced against Homosexuals (which we're told they have no control over), we're prejudiced against people who may actually have a true phobia (which they do no control over), how is that any better of us? Quote:
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In regards to the education ordeal, I think having some sort of competition is necessary. Americans have become quite soft and butthurt if something doesn't go their way. Parents especially, nowadays, have a knack for blaming schools for their shitty kids' behavior and stupidity.
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I agree with you on that. Though I believe also there are still people who actually care about the education their kids get and raise their kids in such a way that a poor education doesn't mess them up.
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12-08-2011, 05:06 AM | #46 |
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Admittedly there's not been a huge amount of coverage of the Republican nominees race over here (the actual election will get plenty though) but is Newt Gingrich really a possibility? Dude has more skeletons in his closet than clothes.
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And this is why Obama will handily win re-election.
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Of course, if Newt has such skeletons, it's best they come out now, instead of after if he gets the nomination, so voters are immune to it. Obama's already planning on $1 Billion in hate campaign so, it doesn't matter who the nominee is, he'll still get hammered hard, with true and false information. Don't discount the race just yet, there are numerous people who disagree fundamentally with Obama's policies, and will go to great lengths to ensure he is beaten in the election, specifically, by voting against him, and educating the public around them of the truth. |
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You're crazy enough to be sent to a psych ward and locked up for a good long while if you honestly believe that this nation would elect Newt Gingrich over Barack Obama.
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