11-09-2019, 11:21 AM | #1 |
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[SWORD/SHIELD SPOILERS] FB Calendar Redone: Pokémon Pairing & Gen 8 Integration
So as the new Gen is coming up real soon, the time has finally come to redo the calendar. I know Pokémon Sword/Shield hasn’t been released yet, but since all the new Pokémon has (supposedly) been leaked, and we do try to aim to have a functional calendar before the new year, I concluded it was best to get things going as soon as possible.
If it wasn’t clear enough from the title of the thread and for what I have just said, this whole post (and thread) has gigantic spoilers concerning the new Pokémon introduced with Gen 8. I have put those concerning Pokémon in spoiler tags, but if you guys want to have 100% of the info of my planning, spoiler avoiders should tread this thread carefully, or even perhaps wait until the game’s release/start playing the game before reading it. ...We’re good? Ok, let’s go. Step 1: Evaluation By Numbers So first things first: we need to evaluate the state of things, and by that, I mean the following:
So, after looking over the list of new Pokémon, here are all the Pokémon lines introduced in Gen 8, and its total minus the legendaries: Spoiler: show ...That’s quite a bit. And how many days in the calendar we have empty? Well if I am counting correctly, we have… *drumroll* only 18 days free. We definitely need to do some cleanup. So in conclusion... Spoiler: show Step 2: Planning Now that’s stated, we have to decide what to do with that information. Freeing up days in the calendar by grouping some Pokémon together is the obvious course of action. However, we have a few constraints and things to think of before heading on doing that:
So what should we do with all that? Here are my suggestions:
Is all of that good? Yeah? Ok, now to the nitty-gritty! Step 3: Pairing/Grouping Pokémon This is where it starts taking more time, help and opinions. While some Pokémon are very easy to be grouped together, some are a little more difficult with people not agreeing with them or not… and some Pokémon are not apparently linked to any other Pokémon. So to help things moving, here are some guidelines I have written on how we should try to pair Pokémon. The grouped Pokémon has to make sense in some way. Examples:
Now we’re not starting out on a blank slate: I already have some suggestions written down! The first pairings are those that I suggest to take priority if we want to keep the pairings to a minimum. I still got a lot more than just that to pair though, so make sure you read them through! (For the pairings that involves Gen 8 Pokémon, I have conveniently put those into a separate spoilered list.)
Pairings involving Gen 8 Pokémon: Spoiler: show Unfortunately but inevitably, some pairings are a bit more difficult to choose due to the Pokémon being able pair up well with multiple but completely different other Pokémon. Here some of the pairings I cannot choose from, and would like to let you guys decide:
Questioned pairings involving Gen 8 Pokémon: Spoiler: show And obviously, there’s all those other Pokémon that I just can’t place with another, either because they’re their own thing, or they’re Gen 8 and we don’t have enough information of them yet to pair them up properly (doesn’t mean I still tried though) Step 4: Date Assignment Final part of of the whole thing, placing Pokémon into new dates. In a similar fashion as to decide the Pokémon pairings, here are some guidelines/suggestions:
And here are my suggestions so far. Note that some aren’t paired yet (at least as far as my previous suggestions went), so in those cases I have marked those with question marks. Also due to the nature of this, I have left out Gen 8 Pokémon. January:
Conclusion So have you read everything? If yes then thank you for your interest! If not, or if you're still a little confused… I gotchu, here's a tl;dr of what's happening and what's needed to be done and need your help deciding with:
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11-09-2019, 12:16 PM | #2 |
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Reading over this, this does look good.
I'd honestly much prefer to keep the groupings to Counter Parts/Version Exclusives/Trios (Like Starters + Monkeys). It just feels a lot easier than trying to have things be together based off appearance.
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11-09-2019, 12:31 PM | #4 |
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Girafarig not already being listed in with Gemini seems silly to me, as is
Spoiler: show Pairing munchlax with gulpin (another damage-sponge type pokemon with a massive appetite) seems like a smart move to me as well, especially since Autumn is already listed as Poison season anyway (speaking of, why is November missing in your listing of what months are part of what season?). Chatot slotting into September 19 (National Talk Like a Pirate Day) could be silly, since it's the closest we have to a pirate's parrot pokemon at the moment. Pairing drowzee and munna (two Psychic-Typed tapir that eat dreams) together and slipping them into March 13 (2020's World Sleep Day) seems like a flavor win to me. Alternatively, they could go into September 25th (World Dream Day), even though that technically refers to aspirations rather than somnial hallucinations- it has the plus side of putting them into Psychic's designated season, at least. August 19 is National Sandcastle Day- perfect for our sapient sandcastles (i.e., sandygast)! Spoiler: show December 13 is National Horse Day, so why not give that to the pokehorses, rapidash and/or mudsdale? With September 25 being National Cooking Day, I can't think of a better place to put the elemental monkeys (pansage, panpour, and pansear). One of them is even in one of the Season's Types! And I think I'll take a break for now. Gotta give other people a chance to voice their thoughts, ya know? |
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That said, I take it that Smoochum case you would prefer Mime Jr, and in Shellder's case you would prefer Staryu? Quote:
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11-09-2019, 01:29 PM | #8 | |
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Mime Jr and Bonsly are counterparts. As for the appearance thing, it just feels like its lumping together completely unrelated Pokemon just because they seem similar. I much rather see how the calendar fares in terms of space with what I mentioned in the first post before we try to chimera days with multiple unrelated Pokemon. (E.g Make it so Luvdisc is Valentines and then Alomomola March 14th for White's Day)
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Personally, I do have a slight preference with pairing those that are linked together game-wise, but there is a lot of times that a different pairing due to appearances or other reasons might be stronger than those that are "game linked". For example, while I do see the trio of Smoochum with Magby and Elekid, Smoochum is the "runt" of the trio due to not having a third evolution, and as I've mentioned in my first post Jynx is closely related to Christmas being Santa's "elves" in the Pokémon anime, so it would make sense to put Smoochum with another Christmas-related Pokémon, Lapras (Not to mention that those two are already close together in the current calendar.) And as for Mime Jr. and Bonsly, other than being baby Pokémon introduced in Gen 4 and being together in the Pokédex, I find there's not much of a link On the flip side, for Shellder, Clamperl is the weakest choice in my opinion since Shellder is not that much linked to Clamperl other than their appearance and sharing the same species name (Bivalve Pokémon). Now to choose between Staryu and Slowpoke... that's another story ^^; (I might have a small preference with Slowpoke though, due to evolution being an important thing, and goes in the same light of thought as Remoraid and Mantyke.) |
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As for Smoochum/Jynx, the specific episodes were banned and I never really associate the line with the holiday while I heavily associate Smoochum with Magby and Elekid. It does unfortunately fall into a similar situation as Scyther/Pinsir did, which were counterparts until Heracross which made Pinsir and Heracross counterparts (as evidenced by their megas and so forth.) I would sill prefer Shellder/Staryu. Both of them are version exclusive water stone evos from gen 1. While lore wise Shellder and Slowpoke makes sense, we never got the Slowbro!Shellder as its own mon.
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11-09-2019, 02:02 PM | #11 |
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Bonsly and and Mime Jr. weren't just introduced together, they were Semi-Version Exclusive counterparts. While both could be found in the Trophy Garden in Diamond and Pearl, only one of them could also be found on Routes 209 and 210- Mime Jr. only in Diamond, and bonsly only in Pearl. Not only that, but they also share the need to know Mimic before evolving, which is a specific requirement that is only seen between the two pokemon. This is why a lot of people pair the two together whithout considering their fellow Gen. 4 babies (mantyke, riolu, chingling, munchlax, happini, and budew) as part of the group.
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11-09-2019, 02:07 PM | #12 |
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Huh, TIL for me! To be fair, I didn't watch much of the anime at that time, and I have never played D/P. (It's the only Pokémon Gen I have skipped.) I definitely going to add the Mime Jr. and Bonsly pairing then ^^
As for Jynx and Shellder, I'll leave it for more people to pitch in on the matter, but do know that while I have a different opinion, I accept yours Lit, and if it proves to be more popular, I'll be more than happy to take on that route |
11-09-2019, 04:11 PM | #13 |
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We do not need to revamp the entire Calendar.
Simply grouping starters together in groups of three, fossils in pairs, and VEs in pairs will give us enough days. The dates can be whatever, there's no real need for any kind of thematic quality to any of the dates.
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That said, if we see that we are short on time to do that plan, we'll take that shorter simpler route. Or just go with what we worked on so far, and just filling the "blanks" by basing ourselves with the current calendar. |
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11-09-2019, 11:43 PM | #15 |
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I think right now what the mod team is looking to change in the calendar is to clear up enough dates to accomodate all of the new gen 8 pokemon species.
If we have time leftover we can consider moving a few select pokemon around to fit MAJOR holidays as long as the theme permits (ie. Braviary on the 4th of July). We do not need to dive into this too deep and play a game of 365 musical chairs to accommodate every minor little "Sandcastle Day" and whatnot. The goal of this reorganization is to prepare for gen 8. We're not too concerned with generation 9 or 10, etc, as it will be at least 2 years until that time comes. The quicker we can sort this out means the more time we'll have available to sort out other aspects of integrating gen 8 into Fizzy Bubbles. |
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Alright, let's see... OK, to start with, every point I make here is gonna mention spoilers, or at least most of them, so I'm just gonna encase the whole thing in a spoiler tag because I'm fairly tired and would like to minimize the risk of accidentally giving an unmarked spoiler by mistake.
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As for changing the dates, yeah we're moving things to make it more fitting for the holidays, but I also see it as a fun thing to put them on more insignificant days. I mean, the whole thing is supposed to be fun, right? ^^; Not to mention that it was something that a lot of people wanted to have/do but we held it off 'till now. Again, like it's ok that not every Pokémon aren't paired with another, it's ok if not every Pokémon/pairing goes on a day that isn't 100% fitting because it doesn't have a fitting "holiday" related to them or whatever. All in all, we already got enough pairings for Gen 8, so now we let fun in by choosing other pairings that I might have not thought of and place them in fun/funny/appropriate dates, and after a bit we'll take care of fill in the blanks. Quote:
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11-10-2019, 10:03 PM | #18 |
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...Wow, I missed a lot of those. >_< I guess I was bound to slip up in some way when I insisted on posting in this while trying to not fall asleep.
Another suggestion- I don't know how likely we are to go with this since we've already got it paired with Lotad, and not without good reason, but considering what sparked the Fizzbylution in the first place, maybe we pair Seedot with Pyukumuku for Fizzy Bubbles Day? |
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honestly the one thing that comes to mind is if you're going to group basculin with anything the obvious answer is carvanha
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Sorry for not direct quoting and stuff, I'm on mobile so it's a bit iffy ^^;
>MM Don't worry about it! I understand you were really tired when you posted that ^^ There was a lot of info to take too. As for Seedot being put on FB day, weeeeell I think this is a case for the mods to answer, but I have a feeling it might not be fully appropriate. While we're not hiding on what has conspired before FB's renewal, we don't want to full alienate those that were involved in the whole thing and celebrate that revolution. (Case in point: the reason FB Day is on the day current FB got their new mods instead of the day that stuff went down.) Any thoughts, mods? But in another standpoint, Seedot has no canon reason to be linked with Pyukumuku, which is a bit eh. >Heather You know, you're absolutely right! I'll have those two pair up in a bit! Alright so bit of announcement: Since it seems like people have settled down a bit in terms of comments and additions, the 30-day countdown to the new year is starting soon AND Sword/Shield has been out for a good week, I'm gonna start to work on the rough/picture version of the new calendar soon. My plan is to make it as an Excel sheet on Google docs for easy viewing for everyone as I work on it. After it's done, I'll just screenshot it... Or actually, use that Excel sheet directly :P If you see any mistakes or anything to be added/changed, let me know! ^^ (Just note I'll be using a copy/paste of the old calendar as a base, so hold on for the date changes!) Last edited by OkikuMew; 11-22-2019 at 07:37 PM. |
11-23-2019, 12:17 PM | #21 |
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There's a few pairings I like. Slowpoke and Psyduck definitely belong together due to being the Gen I derps and for being counterparts in games like Gen I where you had to trade their respective evos to get Lickitung (not to mention rarities were reversed).
How about this though? Shellder and Remoraid? Okay while the former technically isn't true, both are required narratively to evolve Pokemon, and both a single evolved form. |
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But speaking of which, I personally don't see Shellder and Remoraid together, especially since Remoraid is already well paired with Mantyke, since the former is needed to evolve the latter. And no hunny, no Golett on your birthday :P While I'm here, since I started putting up the pairs into the calendar, I have thought of some new pairings and a few decisions I have taken (although feel free to say a word against it, I can change my mind!)
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I think we should pair these few:
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Hey, you don't know if you're gonna get it or not! But at least thanks for the reminder of putting up the demand soon! >Corsola and Farfetch'd Eeeh, I think it's a bit of a stretch, but maybe it's just because it's too early in Sword/Shield to say. I'll think about it! >Jynx and Mr. Mime I'm gonna have to say no on that one ^^; Jynx already have some stronger potential pairings, either with Lapras (related strongly to the anime Christmas episode, and have already close birthday dates) and Elektabuzz / Magmar (Gen 1 counterparts trio). >yeeting Legendaries Well while legendaries owned in FB are super rare (for obvious reasons, and also because a lot of those who had some are no longer active), you also have to consider that the Legendaries' birthdays is on February 29th, meaning that the birthday only happens once every 4 years. So I think it's pretty fair. >Sableye and Mawile Oh, that could be one pairing. I'll look more into it! >all starters in one day; all pseudos in one day Oooooooooooooh heck no. You say it'll give starter specialists a field day... but what about the "field day" me and my future assistant will have? As I mentioned many times before, putting more thank 2-3 Pokémon within a day is going to be too much trouble to update. It's going to be the Eeveepocalipse (Eevee is the most popular Pokémon in FB, to the point that Eevee day has been nicknamed as such), but 5 times worse... especially considering that Eevee is a starter. It just screams "burnout" ^^; While it's _slightly_ less of a case for the pseudos, it is still a big problem. |
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I'm officially applying. Let's pair Machamp, Gengar and Alakazam on one day. Reasons
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