01-28-2017, 02:59 PM | #3401 |
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It's almost as if a foreign policy issue concocted by a man with no functional interest in regional differences or people (beyond them emptying their wallets for him) and being advised by white supremacists is stupid and self-defeating.
EDIT: Although to give Trump the barest shred of credit, part of this is also driven by our political commitments: we're never going to push the Saudis too hard given that our lips are permanently grafted to their foreskin.
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I was planning on doing this before Trump took office but never found the time - would people like for me to give an overview of US immigration law based on my 1.5 years of immigration experience? I feel like a lot of people don't understand US immigration policy or how it works and it makes for some very bad debates.
EDIT: Some of the foreign nationals my firm works with have been getting stuck outside the US simply because Consulates are afraid of issuing visas due to how volatile Trump has been. Most of these people are from countries with which we have great relations, like South Korea or Spain. |
01-28-2017, 04:39 PM | #3403 |
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Yeah when it comes to the Saudis there is a distinct disconnect in the way governments respond to them. We have the same problem with the British government. We (somewhat) recently had a scandal regarding the fact weapons sold to the Saudis by the British were used in one of the many bullshit campaigns the Saudis are waging. Public outrage will almost certainly not be enough to change it. It's bullshit and immoral but it is what it is. They have too much influence.
Going to go ahead and say that you should do it anyway, Jeri. Given this situation is unlikely to resolve itself fully any time soon I feel the better informed everyone is the less chance there is for things to hit the fan in here. Which is better for everyone's sanity. |
01-28-2017, 04:49 PM | #3404 |
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What does it mean for things to 'hit the fan in here'?
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01-28-2017, 04:50 PM | #3405 |
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Rangeet and Shuckle having a "discussion".
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01-28-2017, 04:56 PM | #3406 |
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US immigration law is messy and complicated so it'll probably take me a while but I'll throw something together and put it in a separate thread.
I'm reading through the order right now and picking out some of the nastier parts. Just a general note about this - the executive order itself does not actually ban anyone from entering the United States yet. It just sets up a framework for Trump to do so if he sees fit. As far as I can tell, the seven country list is not actually set in stone as of this post, but he could pull the trigger at any time and the order gives him carte blanche to ban basically anyone he pleases. However, CBP is staffed almost entirely by idiots and they're jumping the gun and not admitting people who have every legal right to enter. That said, when it does come into effect, it will apply to Green Card holders, regardless of how long they've held a Green Card, and anyone with a valid visa that's not diplomatic (A, G, C-2 and NATO). This also includes spouses of US citizens and even potentially US citizen children born abroad! Quote:
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It would be a different matter altogether if he was only disallowing the issuance of visas to a specific list of countries, but this executive order basically allows him to ban anyone and everyone he feels he doesn't want in the US from coming to our soil. And since CBP is a ridiculous overblown and misfunded jobs program, officers will probably end up even harassing US citizens that even seem Muslim-y (or like a Mexican for that matter) because none of them are actually trained or understand US immigration law. This will be a lot of fun for everyone! I hope you all like labor crises because we're about to have a big one. |
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Double Post for important update: This ban is so poorly written that it not only is being applied to Green Card holders but dual citizens who hold passports from a banned country.
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Also, a judge just ordered a hold on deportations for anyone currently in the US that could be affected, although anyone outside the country is still fucked.
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>I thought the ban was being applied to non-US citizens with dual citizenship: e.g. if you hold UK/Iranian citizenship, the latter overrides the former.
Oh yeah nevermind looks like I was wrong. Whoops sorry! Lots of misinformation flying around right now. But it still stands that people who are cleared to legally enter the United States and have been vetted by our government agencies on multiple occasions to be granted permanent residency, i.e. Green Card holders can be banned from the US. Whoops so much for rights! |
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It's a shitshow because none of the agencies responsible appear to have been meaningfully consulted beforehand and the order was dropped with no grace period to actually figure out what's going on. On the bright side, only 4 years to go with this idiocy, assuming Trump doesn't find a way to do something so hilariously awful that he finally gives the GOP the opportunity to ratfuck him with a plausible casus belli.
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I'd like to think this can't happen, but things are going to get super fucked super fast if this ban escalates towards those who have dual U.S.-{other country} citizenship. For example, Iran confers Iranian citizenship to both children born of Iranian fathers as well as to women married to Iranian men. So if an Iranian man settles down in America, marries, has kids ... it wouldn't just be the man Trump's organization wants to deport, it'd be his American wife and kids too. Lots of people proclaiming on Reddit that "this can't happen" and that you can't refuse a U.S. citizen entry to America, but ... ... I don't know, guys. Shit's getting super fucked. I would not put it past this administration to try this. And if they do ... GOP, DNC, I don't care: I feel like for any group of rational, family-oriented Americans that this would be Blastoise's casus belli.
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Federal Court has overturned Trump's executive order banning immigration Holy. Shit. edit: Okay so, kind of, at least Last edited by deoxys; 01-29-2017 at 01:10 AM. |
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1. It's early in the administration, they will play it as the POTUS and Co. finding their sea legs because outsiders, etc. 2. People on Twitter are gleefully retweeting Mike Pence and Paul Ryan's tweets from last year about how the Muslim ban goes against everything we stand for, in contrast to how they're currently trying to spin this as "well it's not a Muslim ban": at best expect them to stand aside and let Trump and the courts tear each others' throats out, but they're not going to demonstrate any evidence of owning a spine in the near future because: 3. Remember what Trump campaigned on, and what his inaugural address was on: Washington is controlled by incestuous elites that can only be broken and cast down by an outsider with the ability to throw his weight around and not have to take their shit. To Trump's followers any Republican who even hints at impeachment less than a month in pretty much validates this narrative, and no sane GOP legislator wants to bring that down on their heads over a few green carders getting fucked, because: 4. As Americans there are things that we do to each other, and things we do to other people (and for your standard "build the wall" Trumpstaffel bumblefuck green carders are "other people"). If you doubt this go ahead and read the Twitter responses/article comments to EO articles from today and watch in awe as your faith in your fellow man shrinks precipitously.
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Congratulations, you have demonstrated more thought on possible consequences than anyone in the Trump administration.
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Also, Twitter surfing for more information I have been reminded that Grover Norquist still taints humanity with his presence, and that one of his major advocay issues is...vaping.
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Vaping is a good thing.
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I feel like this is an opportune time to quote a small bit of Screw The Nether, spoilered for what some will consider obnoxious formatting:
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Couple of things:
Trump kicked joint chiefs of staff off his national security council and added Steve Bannon. Steve Bannon told The Daily Beast this in a past interview: Quote:
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How much power can a President actually wield via executive order a) legally and b) practically? Like surely legally speaking they can't be a carte blanche to bypass the legislative branch whenever the executive feels like it.
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