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02-24-2014, 02:11 PM | #1277 | |
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Refreshing the thread, I see people saying things like this:
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Honestly ... as much as I love 6v6 Singles, I feel like I am thiiiiiiiiiiiiis close to making the hop over to Nugget Bridge and picking up VGC 4v4 Doubles. PokéBattle cannot come soon enough. T_T
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Cross-posting this here while it's convenient to do so. I give it less than a day before it's deleted on Smogon by some trigger-happy moderator for being "off topic" or "baseless" even though it clearly is not.
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There are also many popular games which are highly competitive and have little element of chance. Two well-known examples are chess and Go. These games are likewise enjoyed by millions of players the world over, have professional circuits and organizations, and host regular tournaments which attract the best of the best. Pokémon, as it exists and was created by Game Freak, is a game that has more in common with poker than it does with chess. There are many elements of chance built into the game.
Therefore, it seems to me to be somewhat absurd that the disaffected vocal minority who want to see Pokémon transmogrified into PokéChess should get their way. You may be tempted to tell the rest of us that if we like elements of chance then we should go play some other game instead ... but I feel like it's we who should be telling you that. ^^; If elements of chance are anathema to your enjoyment of competitive play, then perhaps you should seriously look into playing some other game besides Pokémon. It clearly wasn't designed for you, from the ground up. The accusations that elements of chance have no place in competitive play are patently false given the widespread enjoyment of competitive games with elements of chance built into their very foundations. I mean, heck: if the enormous popularity of the Random Battle format doesn't prove to you that many fans like an element of surprise and uncertainty in their Pokémon, then I don't know what does. Yes, this is OU, not RandBats. We makes rules that suit the needs of OU and OU players here. But to suggest that elements of chance have absolutely no business being in OU is simply ludicrous.
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Let us change the subject for a while. I have been thinking about going through one of Serebii's pokémon league thingies with a team following the rules for a grass gym. Why? Because I'm bored and such a team would never work in regular OU.
The gym rules are as followed: 4 pokémon need to be the corresponding type 2 pokémon can be any type you want Smogon rules and banlist apply. So I have thought of the 4 grass types I will be using Venasaur@Life orb / lum berry Chlorophyll Modest 42 HP / 252 sp.att / 216 speed Growth Giga drain Sludgebomb Hidden power fire A very good chlorophyl sweeper and bulky enough to get that growth going. Lum berry if status proves to be irritating. Venasaur also has the advantage of absorbing toxic spikes should I encounter them. Tangrowth @ Life orb / lum berry / fly resist berry Chlorophyll Adamant 4 sp.att / 252 Attack / 252 speed Power whip EQ Growth Hidden power fire Physical chlorophyll sweeper to compliment Venasaur, nothing special Trevenant @ Sitrus berry Harvest Impish 252 HP / 180 defence / 76 speed Leech-seed WoW Substitute Phantom force Staller pokémon and I really like this one and this seems like a fun set to use Breloom @ Life orb Technician Jolly 252 attack / 4 HP / 252 speed Spore Mach punch Low sweep Bullet seed A much needed priority user, incidentally Bullet seed takes care of Liepards provided no full paralyses sets in. So far my grass pokémon, next are two support pokémon. The obvious one is either Ninetails or Charizard-y for sun boost. Ninetails has the advantage of the ability to hold a heat rock, while Charizard-y can hide my sun sweep intentions. The last pokémon needs to be something that handles Talonflame or it will tear through this team. I've been thinking about Tyranitar without sandstream for abusing pursuit or Mega-Mawile. I would have liked to use Mesprit or Cresselia for lunar dance / healing wish but Talonflame... |
02-24-2014, 03:43 PM | #1280 |
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Somewhat on topic: I've long wanted to run a league system on UPN. I get distracted by breeding my favorites rather than breeding for VGCs or this project though. But I would like us to have our own circuit here. I think it'd be very fun and promote team building on legit cartridges. (A shame that importable hackmons are accessible once again, but oh well. HONOR SYSTEM, HO~!)
Back to your topic 100%: Good luck with your challenge. I guess the few small comments I'll offer ...
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02-24-2014, 04:10 PM | #1281 |
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>anti-Talonflame
Heatran with either HP Rock or Ancientpower. YUSH~ 91st place get! (Randbats)
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02-24-2014, 04:17 PM | #1282 |
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Whoa, when did *this* happen!? Man. Juisho's been languishing in the 1600s for a while and I haven't touched Suisho since he was still above 100th place but ... judging from those scores of 1822+, I'm guessing that Suisho will be lucky to be in 200th place now! ^^; Hmm. Well, I'll stick with Juisho for a little while longer. If he's too polluted with losses to have any hope, I may bounce over to Suisho and see if he can surpass Traptrix Atrax. We'll see.
But yeah, good job, man! Congratulations!
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02-24-2014, 04:21 PM | #1283 |
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Thanks Talon.
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02-24-2014, 05:07 PM | #1284 |
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02-24-2014, 05:46 PM | #1286 |
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If you're looking for a Grass Type Talonflame counter, Scarfed Rotom-M works well with Discharge, since Flare Blitz isn't priority, as does Bulky Cradily.
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02-24-2014, 05:49 PM | #1287 |
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Reply for Blaze that I'll withhold from posting there (Smogon debate about banning Swagplay) because "BASELESS SPECULATION! *DELETE*" would be imminent.
Spoiler: show Blaze, if you want to set the team up, I'd be more than happy to playtest this with you. Let's give these bastards some empirical evidence. Even if we end up proving they're right, so be it. I want the truth. Just tell me who to bring and I'll try my best not to fuck it up. Ten battles, ten battle logs, should be enough to prove the point one way or another. I think it'd be ideal if I brought Gen 3 Pokémon exclusively with Gen 3 moves; for you, I don't know what you'd need to bring to satisfy these critics. (They keep pointing to Scarf Ditto and Talonflame being what typically accompanies the pranksters, so if you were to run 4 Electrodes + 2 Others instead of running 6 Electrodes, it might be hard to stay within the confines of a strictly Gen 3 meta that will please everybody. *shrug*) Actually, I say ten battles, but we'd need to do an equal number of battles with the one person still using the diverse Gen 3 team and the other person using Liepard + Klefki + Murkrow + Tornadus, etc. That way you could really solidly compare. For example, if Team Electrode's score is 7:3 and if Team Klefki's score is 8:2, that would be different than if Team Electrode's score is 2:8 and Team Klefki's score is 10:0. Possibly too much effort. Ż_Ż *already having second thoughts* *so lazy*
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If you want to do that Talon, I would be more than pleased to
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If you have ideas in mind for a dedicated Gen 3 team for me to copy+paste, just say the word. Ludicolo, Metagross, Jirachi, Latios, whomever. You tell me what to build. It's been too long since I did Gen 3 and I value your judgment.
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02-24-2014, 06:06 PM | #1291 |
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From what i've seen from the almighty Smogon, Pokemon like Ttar, Swampert, Celebi, and Blissey were pretty key. Gen III was pretty TTar centric.
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I think the most ridiculous thing about this whole controversy is that Swagger is completely negated by a switch and SwagPlayers can do nothing to Special attackers/all walls.
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a) nothing is stopping the swaggerer from using Swagger again next round, and b) most of these SwagPlay teams run hazards as well, causing you to be unable to switch much. I mean I guess I see where they are coming from? (Also they don't want to start running stuff just to deal with SwagPlay. At least, that's what I could draw from most of the comments.
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If Blaze wants, I can post the first four for your guys' viewing pleasure. But be warned: some of them can get rather long. (Not Sneezey's hungry hippo of 120+ turns long, but still pretty damn long.)
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02-24-2014, 07:45 PM | #1298 |
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Talon and I have done are doing some playtesting of our own, we can get back to you with our results. We have been using a "standard" Gen III OU team and testing it against Team Electrode, and against a modern "Team Klefki". This is too see whether or not Prankster really can be considered the main problem.
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EDIT: Sneaking this one in here -- Post #8 in the Smogon thread -- because once again I worry it's going to be deleted for either being off-topic, unpopular with forum staff, or both. ~_~ Spoiler: show
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