New Pokemon game announced

[deoxys]

It's due to hit WiiWare for 1500 points in JP on June 16, and it's called Melee! Pokemon Scramble!

From what I gather, you play as a Pokemon of your choice that gets two attacks, and you fight a bunch of other Pokemon/players in a battle royal.

So basically it's the equivalent of a Pokemon mosh pit.

There's also some sort of story mode you can play through, and as you beat Pokemon you unlock them. Boss battles are legendarys, and some of the more rare Pokemon can only be obtained via passwords.

Hmm. Sounds interesting. Maybe this is what GameFreak was talking about when they said they wanted to develop more of a fighting/action game?

On my touch, so I can't post pictures, but the news is up on Serebii.

[Vran]

Originally Posted by deoxys

From what I gather, you play as a Pokemon of your choice that gets two attacks [...] Maybe this is what GameFreak was talking about when they said they wanted to develop more of a fighting/action game?

I should hope not. I haven't seen a two-attack fighter since 1973.

[deoxys]

http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wik...sed_this_month

Here's a better link.

Also appears to have 4 player stadium mode and 2
player co-op.

And the 2 attacks per Pokemon is being reported by Serebii, but not Bulbapedia. I haven't seen Pokebeach yet, so I'm not sure who's right.

Edit: Pokebeach has the best description by far (the link is on Bulbapedia). Basically the Pokemon you play as are Pokemon wind up toys, all battling until one wins.

Concerning moves: You can only use 2 moves at a time, however your Pokemon can know many more, and can learn more powerful ones as they progress, and you choose which attacks you want it to use for each battle.

Sounds like a dumbed down Pokemon smash bros.

[Vran]

Wooooooooooooooooooooooow, it looks like a big pile of shit. Here's the page, and as you can see it's going to be using those really crappy models from My Pokemon Ranch. Here's a picture which suggests that the 2-move limit is for real. It's too small for me to read the moves' names, but the elements I can make out: でんき (electricity) and エスパー (ESP) for Pikachu's two moves, double みず (water) for Pocchama, くさ (grass) and something illegibly tiny for Naetoru, and then something too tiny to make out that must be fire and then ノーマル (normal) for Hikozaru. Naetoru's move looked like it said かかつく which made no sense, but I looked at his moves and realized it's supposed to be Bite (かみつく), so I guess that's the dark-type they're showing off there ... with blue instead of gray or black. O_o

Visit the password page to see a really good sample of these ugly models.

[deoxys]

To me, it sounded dumb and the pictures sucked, and the concept made me go "meh", but after seeing this video, and for only 15 bucks? I want this game.

[Vran]

Oh God. D: It's BEYBLADE.

[ZoraJolteon]

Given it's a Wiiware Game, it doesn't actually look too bad. Certainly not World of Goo calibre, but still fun. And I kind of like the ultra-deformed Ranch models.

[deoxys]

Originally Posted by Vran

Oh God. D: It's BEYBLADE.

But without the spinning tops.

Actually, I suppose this really is a lot like Beyblade, the customization being the icing on the cake >.>;

[Lady Kuno]

Wow I would so buy that.

[Blastoise]

Originally Posted by Holy Emperor

Wow I would so buy that.

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What exactly about this game screams "WORTH FIFTEEN BUCKS" to you, especially if Pokemon weren't involved?

[Lady Kuno]

Originally Posted by Blastoise

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What exactly about this game screams "WORTH FIFTEEN BUCKS" to you, especially if Pokemon weren't involved?

It looks like a 3d Pokemon Dungeon or w/e those are called. Unfortunately, I cannot understand much of "japanese man yelling at me", so maybe I'm expecting it to be something it is not.

[Weebos]

From what I gather so far you can only play online with friends.

[ZoraJolteon]

Really? Because everything I've seen suggests the opposite.

[Jerichi]

>It looks like a 3d Pokemon Dungeon or w/e those are called. Unfortunately, I cannot understand much of "japanese man yelling at me", so maybe I'm expecting it to be something it is not.

It doesn't look to be as involved as Dungeon (which is saying something since Dungeon is a pretty rudimentary translation of the games). I personally like the depth of Pokemon games and while the spin-offs are often fun, I'm not sure if this is worth 15 bucks.

[deoxys]

Originally Posted by Jerichi

I'm not sure if this is worth 15 bucks.

Really? I mean, I've personally always hoped to see a smash bros.-esque type of Pokemon game. I think the adventure mode looks badass as well, and it seems like it wouldn't be half bad for a price that low. But whatever works, I guess. Kinda weird they're portrayed as wind up toys.

[Vran]

I have no idea what you thought you saw in the video, but a Pokémon version of Super Smash Bros. is most definitely not what was shown. Too little of the adventure mode was shown for you to be suggesting it looked "badass." Tell us, exactly which part of that video looked badass to you? The part where the player uses his Wiimote to pick up and grab the Mii Pikachu? The part where the Wiimote is used to point to 10 different enemies as quickly as possible in what amounts to Whack-a-Mon?

Your reaction to the game, one which to me seems to be excessive in its enthusiasm, reminds me of similar reactions fans had towards Super Smash Bros. Brawl pre-launch. Everyone was making it sound like SSBB was going to be the game of the decade. Instead, the Subspace Emissary remains one of the most ridiculed and despised segments of the game.

[deoxys]

Originally Posted by Vran

I have no idea what you thought you saw in the video, but a Pokémon version of Super Smash Bros. is most definitely not what was shown. Too little of the adventure mode was shown for you to be suggesting it looked "badass." Tell us, exactly which part of that video looked badass to you? The part where the player uses his Wiimote to pick up and grab the Mii Pikachu? The part where the Wiimote is used to point to 10 different enemies as quickly as possible in what amounts to Whack-a-Mon?

Your reaction to the game, one which to me seems to be excessive in its enthusiasm, reminds me of similar reactions fans had towards Super Smash Bros. Brawl pre-launch. Everyone was making it sound like SSBB was going to be the game of the decade. Instead, the Subspace Emissary remains one of the most ridiculed and despised segments of the game.

Well, it's as close to smash bros. Pokemon as I think I'll ever see, as it's basically a straight up Pokemon fighting game (in a rather tiny way, anyhow). Also, the Wiimote actually isn't used to point at the screen, it's controlled via d-pad on it's side (or is that battle only?) I really liked the adventure scene in the cave where Bulbasaur takes on the Clefairy group with a razor leaf attack. Maybe "badass" was too strong of a word, but the game still comes across as fun to me.

[Lady Kuno]

That's because SSE is so long and tedius. Especially the last level where they ran out of ideas and just made you do everything again.

[Vran]

That's not it though! :x If that alone were true, and if you loved SSBB, then what you'd do is select the earlier stages and replay those again and again to your heart's desire while choosing to not play the later missions. But is that what you do? What I do? What he does? No. Nobody plays the Subspace Emissary at all once they beat it, and the only reason they play it in the first place is because so many gamers have that obsessive tendency to want to beat the game, either because (a) they are completists or (b) they want to be in the In group along with all the other gamers who beat the final boss. It all comes back to that: people who are OCD or susceptible to the set of social forces I spoke of will complete SSE, like I did, and people who aren't will put it down after completing the second or third stage and realizing that it's a really weak platformer.

Neither does SSE's unpopularity have anything to do with SSBB being primarily a fighting game! Because even though that's true, if SSE were a strong enough platformer by its own merits then people would prefer to play it instead of playing old classics like Mario 3 or newer platformers like Mario Galaxy. The fact that Timmy and Charlie pop in SMG instead of SSBB when they feel like bursting blocks and stomping on baddies says something for the poor quality of SSE overall, and not simply because it exists in SSBB's shadow.

So the fact is that SSE doesn't suck because, as you put it, "it's so long and tedious" towards the end. It sucks because it's just a really boring platformer. Indeed, if you take a really close look at SSE as a platformer, do you know what it turns out to be? (Surprise surprise, considering who makes the SSB games!) It turns out to be a classic Kirby game. The way you punch away bad guys is like how Kirby spits out temporarily-inhaled bad guys as stars. The way you jump and fly through the stages is like how Kirby does. The red doors in SSE have a lot in common with the doors in Kirby's Dreamland 2 (and subsequent Kirby games). Heck, even the screen where you can pick from up to 5 doors (in the final part of SSE) is just like the Kirby games where you're on the main map of a given world and you walk up to a door and press A if you want to play that stage.

So fundamentally, any complaints about SSE aren't so much about "this game had a shitty ending," even though that's what we fans always talk about since it's the most easy-to-spot problem with the game. Fundamentally, the real problem we have with SSE is that it's a fantastic Kirby game but most teens and adults don't like any Kirby games except for the ones they grew up. Nostalgia preserves the fun of the older ones for people like us, but give us a new Kirby and we're bored to tears by how linear and easy the gameplay is.

[ZoraJolteon]

I'm eagerly awaiting the next Kirby. I heard it's coming out the week after Duke Nukem Forever.

[Lady Kuno]

I didn't care about the ending in regards to the story, but having to redo everything again is just gimmicky because they ran out of ideas. I liked the rest of the game, was kind of fun. Just not the end.

[Concept]

The only purpose I've ever found in a SSB game is the bragging rights from kicking your friends ass repeatedly. If I could be bothered to work out what $15 was in a real currency, I could comment on whether it seems worth it or not.

EDIT the first: Apparently it's about a tenner. I could see forking out a tenner for that, if it looks good when we get more info.

[iAmDewgong]

God, sounds boring.

[Jerichi]

>Pokewalk

Legitimate supplement or ploy to get us off our lazy asses?

You decide.

[Weebos]

Originally Posted by Jerichi

>Pokewalk

Legitimate supplement or ploy to get us off our lazy asses?

You decide.

Actually seems pretty cool.
Your own portable daycare