06-12-2016, 01:26 PM | #1576 |
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In other news: Fuck America and it's inability to pass any gun control laws. This is truly the most important issue overall to me, but after Obama trying his entire 8 years to fix this, I am entirely convinced that any worthwhile gun legislation is impossible for the President to pass, much less influence. Hence me not caring TOO much how the President feels about guns.
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reminding everyone that i am currently 16 and unable to vote, but the next 4 years of my life are going to be pretty important and abstaining from voting or writing in a third party candidate means you could screw me over and other people in my age range. i know that you're sick of the system we're in but i can't afford a revolution. vote for the lesser of two evils. vote in local areas and get candidates you care about in smaller spaces, and work your way up. it'll take a while but at least there won't be a generation crippled by a selfish decision please vote |
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06-12-2016, 04:17 PM | #1578 |
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Congress needs to stand the fuck up to the NRA and tell them that the safety of the people is more important than the dicksucking money they receive from the gun lobby.
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06-12-2016, 04:39 PM | #1580 |
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there were 14.9 million students in high school last year, that number is probably a little bit bigger now bc population growth
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06-12-2016, 04:50 PM | #1581 |
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The NRA is the voice of the people, like it or not, and is actually a fairly vocal proponent of rational gun control measures. Or what it sees as rational, anyway.
Gun violence has been steadily decreasing over time, as well. At current, 61% of all gun-related deaths are suicides. Honestly, I could full-stop right here and win the argument. Mental health is far more important than gun control. It's not even that "only sickos commit mass shootings," it's that we have a massive mental health problem in our country and that needs to take priority over fears for the safety of your local preschool. 68% of all firearm homicides are caused by handguns. (9% are caused by rifles and shotguns). BUT WHAT ABOUT ASSAULT WEAPONS AND MASS SHOOTINGS, you ask. Weeeell mass shootings have been steadily decreasing too. And at least 80% of all mass shooters had some kind of medical issue, diagnosed or otherwise (for example, one guy had a tumor on his amygdala, the part of the brain responsible for feelings of anger and aggression). I'd personally put that figure at 100% but who even knows, man? Assault weapons do not exist. The class of weapon is actually "Assault rifle." It is a class of gun that shoots bullets as long as the trigger is depressed. You know it better as a "machine gun," and it is banned for sale to civilians in the US. The "assault weapons" that the likes of Clinton are pushing to ban are called "semi-automatic" and they shoot one bullet every time the trigger is depressed just like any other gun. They were previously banned in the US, but the ban expired in 2004 (with 0 effect on gun crime - and in fact, it continued to decrease steadily). "Assault weapons" were used in 2% of all gun crime at the time of banning. They also aren't very useful for mass shootings and not having them will not deter mass shooters from killing shitloads of people. SO HOW THE FUCK DO WE STOP MASS SHOOTINGS? By providing expanded mental health care services to everyone. It's time to face the truth: In America at least, guns aren't the problem, people are the problem. We have enough gun control. We don't have enough mental health care. EDIT: This may come across as me attacking you! it is not. I am simply saying that further gun control demonstrably has no meaningful impact on gun crime. We've done all we can on that side by forcing gun buyers to take evaluations and undergo background checks. And it's working! We now need to address the reasons that gun crime exists, and spoiler alert: it's not "because guns exist."
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06-12-2016, 04:58 PM | #1582 |
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The dude in the Orlando shootings had an AR-15 rifle. Name one good reason why a normal civilian needs one of those. I can't think of one. "Self-defense" can be taken care of with a weapon that isn't used by the military for Christ sake EDIT: Also, how about this. The shooter legally bought two guns in the past week EVEN THOUGH THE FBI HAD INVESTIGATED HIM TWICE. So when you say that we don't need more gun control, I disagree. How about we address the fact that someone who has been investigated by the FBI because of possible ties with terrorist groups can buy a gun?
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06-12-2016, 05:27 PM | #1583 |
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With mass shootings being a thing I feel that the cases where people die because their killer had a gun and they didn't is an OK albeit unfortunate price to pay to reduce the likelihood of larger tragedies.
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06-12-2016, 05:51 PM | #1585 |
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Shuckle, you can cough up meaningless statistics all day and night. I would wager I'm the only person on this forum who has actually lived with the consequences of gun violence. A student got shot a block from my school not three months ago. My family lives just outside of Chicago, where a dozen people are shot and killed everyday. Just because gun violence is trending slightly downward doesn't mean it's okay to ignore gun violence. Over ten thousand people die yearly from gun violence. If 60% of that is suicide due to mental illness, that means 4,000 people a year are having their lives taken against their will, more often than not by people who aren't mentally ill.
Mental illness is an issue, but gun control would do infinitely more to prevent homicides by guns. In my view, we need something like what Japan has: Almost all guns are illegal, legal ones are strictly policed and owners are regularly tested, and even so much as holding an illegal firearm can get you up to 10 years in prison. This is why Japan has as few as 2 gun deaths per year and we have a mass shooting every fucking day. |
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There is audio and video recording of the shooting in Orlando. He started shooting with his AR-15 and I don't know if he ever switched to another kind of gun. Not useful for mass shootings? My ass.
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06-12-2016, 07:37 PM | #1587 |
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You get to use mental illness as an argument when you show me what mental illness mass murder is a symptom of.
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Haven't read the entire essay, but this essay appears to be well-researched and echoes a lot of my own observations on how Japan is culturally poised to be the way that it is in a fashion that America simply isn't. If nothing else, scroll down to the bottom of the essay where he starts his conclusion section. Read the conclusion, even if only skimming it.
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Serial Killers and Antisocial Personality Disorder are often found in tandem, particularly with notorious ones.
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Oh Australia is a good example. I think i remember them having tons of problems with gun violence before, and a very strong opposition to gun control. Yet after actually getting gun control the gun violence dropped significantly. Pretty much the only difference is that Australia is an island, while America is not. But Canada doesn't have much gun violence either so I don't see that being too much of a factor.
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06-13-2016, 02:17 AM | #1592 |
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If you actually think the government will be able to take away guns from the American population then you know literally nothing about American culture. Here's a refresher: The 2nd Amendent was made so that the citizens theoretically had the ability to revolt against the government like the Americans did against the British.
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Interestingly, this just popped up on my facebook after I saw Snorby's post.
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After review of the facts, though, i do think that gun control could stand to be expanded somewhat. But it should be done responsibly and in a way that closes loopholes rather than outright bans the use or ownership of perfectly legal firearms.
Ultimately though? Mass shootings won't stop just because you inconvenienced legal gun owners, and further gun control basically only does just that. Finding and addressing the problems that lead to shooting sprees are far more important to me than taking away the tools that are used to commit them. Knives, fire, illegally obtained guns (gun control WILL NOT AFFECT THIS), poison, and cars are pretty good at mass murder too, after all.
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Since Dunblane Great Britain has had two - two - massacres. One involved guns, and the other one was a coordinated terrorist attack not perpetuated by citizens. The gun involvement was because of a system which absolutely failed on a nearly unprecedented scale. America has no excuse beyond flimsy attachment to the second amendment which in a time of relative peace means absolutely fuck all. If you asked any sane member of the population whether they felt guns were necessary - and I mean necessary, as the amendment seems to imply - I wager you will get an overwhelming majority telling you they're not. America needs to wake the fuck up and realise that they need at the very least much stricter regulation. England regularly debate whether we need to up our restrictions and policies (and honestly we do), so if that's the case then America sure as hell does. Last edited by Connor; 06-13-2016 at 06:35 AM. |
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And don't even continue down the heroin path. Do you like collecting pokemon? Playing video games? Eating cake? Deriving enjoyment from something doesn't make it dangerous.
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