05-15-2008, 11:18 PM | #1 |
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Phoenix Wright 2
We've got a thread for Ace Attorney / ???? 3, but I figured I'd just start this tiny one up for #2 because after a year of putting it off I finally picked up where I left off, Case 4-2, and finished the game.
Until this morning, I was under the impression that the case was as good as done and I only had one or two more pieces of evidence to present to Adrian. Little did I know that I would spend ~4-6 hours today wrapping it up ... Spoiler: show So yeah. Thoughts!
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05-16-2008, 06:10 PM | #2 |
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Re: Phoenix Wright 2
Ya the second game was pretty good and still the longest one of them all to date!
Case 4 > Case 2 > Case 1 > Case 3 Really I liked all of the cases in this one but that'd be my ranking. I think everyone puts the Berry Big case last but that doesn't mean it was bad! |
05-16-2008, 06:28 PM | #3 |
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I think we agree.
It's been so long since I played Cases 1, 2, and 3 -- so long that I'm not sure if I liked 2 more than 4, which would make us almost agree. 4 is great because we finally get some closure on the whole "Miles Edgeworth chooses death" storyline and damn if it isn't kickass, but 2 is also great because it feature all three Fey sisters so heavily and Pearl's introduction is just so damn priceless. Cutest. Little Girl Character. Ever. And when I read the English localizations and backwards-translate to what I figure the original Japanese probably said, I gotta say that she's even cuter in English. (Some of the Japanese ones just sound downright annoying, e.g. ???????????? vs. "What's a kom-pyuu-ter?") But based on where I'm standing to today and from what I can remember today, yeah, I would have to say 4 2 1 3. Case #3 just sucked balls. I hated Regina. I disliked Max. I hated the ventriloquist. I loathed the clown. And the native American acrobat-turned-paraplegic was both depressing and introduced far far too late.
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05-28-2008, 11:22 PM | #4 |
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It doesn't help that
Spoiler: show Anyways, I played through PW 2 and 3 in succession after playing through PW 1. I dunno, after all is said and done, I'd probably rank PW 1 and 3 above PW 2, but it's still a fun title. Yeah, I'm a big fan of Pearl as well, and it sucks that Capcom stopped doing stuff with the Fey sisters after they began remaking the titles for the DS. I'm hoping for a reappearance of them in GS 5, or maybe even the GK spinoff that's coming out. As far as the cases go, 4 was epic, but perhaps too much so. I literally spent an entire day just trying to play through it. I may have to put Case 2 above Case 4, but they're about equal. I still have to play through it again, though. Both of my sister's beaten the game multiple times.
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06-14-2008, 01:36 AM | #5 |
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I though Fransizka was really annoying especially when she kept whipping folks like mad. That said it wasn't too bad, Dr. Hotti pwns, and it was cool how the last case ended.
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10-05-2012, 12:56 PM | #6 |
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Yes, yes I did: after completing my replay of Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, I decided "Oh why the hell not? " and pressed on to replaying the second title in the series, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Justice for All. I decided to hold off on posting about it until I was sure I'd be replaying it; after all, I could get part of the way through the first case and decide, "No, I'm a bit burned out on Phoenix Wright for right now ^^; , I think I'll put this down and come back to it later." But right now I'm roughly a fifth of the way through Case 2 (the first day of court is just about to start following an unusually long yet wonderful opening act) so I figured I'd go ahead and write in with my initial thoughts and impressions.
The first thing which really jumped out at me about the sequel was how they completely changed the soundtrack. Characters like Dick Gumshoe still have their unique theme songs intact but pretty much all of the courtroom melodies have been swapped out for new compositions. While I can appreciate Capcom's desire to keep things fresh -- or their composer's desire to keep his job ^^; -- I definitely miss the songs from the first game. None of the replacements are as good. Below I'll try and list the songs by when they show up in each game:
The second thing which really jumped out at me when I started to play PW2 was the fact that you can now present people's profiles in court and not just physical evidence. The reason this really surprised me ... was because I had somehow never noticed it was missing from the first game! ^^; Whoops? I mean, yeah, in hindsight I can completely see how not once did I ever present someone's profile in court ... but yeah, I never noticed it was gone. I guess this is a really funny inversion of the old saying "you never realize what you have until it's gone"? 'Cause in this case I never realized what I had lost until I got it back! XD Other than those two things, the first case went about as expected. It was not a very interesting case -- dumb killer, meh defendant (sorry, Daisy ^^; ), really short and straightforward -- and I didn't care for the amnesia schtick since brain trauma isn't really a laughing matter and it bothers my own headcanon quite a lot to have had Phoenix completely forget Maya and the rest of his past since it begs the question "is the Phoenix we have now really the same as the Phoenix we had before? " (Not spoiler tagging that btw because you find it out in the first three minutes of the game! ) However, despite me not really caring for the case all that much, I pushed through it, solved it without any real hang-ups, and pressed on to ... ... one of the best cases in the history of the franchise, Game 2 Case 2. I'd forgotten a lot of details and so getting to rediscover them almost anew has been a really pleasant experience. Pearl spoilers Spoiler: show Not much else to say at the moment since either you know the plot of this case (in which case you don't need me recapping it) or else you don't (in which case you won't be reading my spoilers) so I'll just wrap up this post for now by saying that it's been really pleasurable so far, one of the most pleasant investigation phases I've ever had in any of the games, and I'm ready to head on in to court and see what surprises await me there.
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10-18-2012, 11:06 PM | #8 |
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Been a while since I've posted here. Been a while since I last played! But I've shelved some other distractions to resume Case 2 and I have a quote to share!
Spoiler: show Ohhhh Pearl. You are too sweet.
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10-20-2012, 04:58 PM | #9 |
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Completed Case 2. Unfortunately it wasn't able to excite me until the very end. I remembered every single plot twist and because of that all of the plot twist-based drama for much of the courtroom proceedings on the final day in court weren't able to get me as excited as some of the cases in Game 1 had managed to do with less. However, once the big finale plot twist (which I also remembered) came out, that at least was able to excite me on appeals to emotion alone. The final change of character sprite for the culprit (shown below) as well as just hearing her testify brought me the closest to a "HEEEEEEERE WE GO! " rush that I'd gotten since picking this back up.
That stated, I do still stand by what I've said before. I feel like Case 2 lives up to how I remember it and, if the next two cases are anything like I remember them being as well, Case 2 will be the second best case or possibly even the best case of the entire game. It has a lot of strengths going for it (discussed below because spoilers) that allow it to tell a mystery of decent complexity without ever boring the player. Spoiler: show Overall, Case 2 was good and now it's onto the biggest black sheep case of the Phoenix Wright family until Game 4: the Berry Big Circus. ^^; Wish me luck.
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10-26-2012, 01:07 AM | #10 |
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I'm about to enter the courtroom for the last time in Case 3. Having replayed most of the case now these past few days, I remember why I disliked this case so much, at least in part.
(a mixture of details from all throughout the case; don't click until you've beaten the case, just to be safe) Spoiler: show But it's not all bad. The motive of the killer for this case is interesting. So too is how the victim was killed and how the killer pulled it off. It's not nearly as annoying as I remembered it being. (I had remembered haaaaaaaaaating both Trilo and Moe when I first played. I disliked both this second time around too but I didn't revile either of them. Maybe because I knew to expect them? ^^; ) And it's also not nearly as long as I remembered it being. So I can't complain there either.
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Could've sworn I posted in this thread after I beat Case 3. I guess not. ^^; So I guess I'll deal with that one first before diving into where I am in Case 4.
Case 3: So, I definitely remembered some details wrong. ^^; I could have sworn that ... Spoiler: show In the end, Case 3 is probably my second to least favorite of the three and a half Game 2 cases I've played so far. Now that I've replayed most of the game, I can say that Case 3 is definitely worse than either Case 2 or Case 4. At the same time, though, I don't know that it's fair to say that it's worse than the tutorial case, Case 1. ^^; Maybe when I first played the game it was, because back then I didn't know what to expect and man oh man were several of the case's main characters so annoying and man oh man was the identity of the villain so unsatisfying, but coming back to the game years later and already on guard against those insults, they weren't so bad the second time around. Certainly better than the stupid Maggey Byrde case which had a retarded villain, a wtf crime, was laughably short (of course it is a tutorial case though), and had the lame Winston Payne in the driver's seat for the prosecution. Case 4: So on to Case 4, the final case of the game and one hell of a long one. I can't describe where I am without spoilers and I'm not spoiler tagging this, so I'll just hazard a guess that I'm anywhere from 33% to 40% of the way through the case. Oh screw it: Spoiler: show So far, the case is okay but it's not quite as good as I remember it being. I think part of the reason for this is because what really sells this case is its significant ending and of course I'm nowhere near that still. But I think it may also just be that this case more heavily relied upon you not knowing the ending than did Case 2, which is to say ...
All of this stated, am I enjoying Case 4 so far? Yeah, it's okay. Definitely in the top half of Game 2's cases, for sure. (Not that that's saying much.) Lots of evidence to gather and present, lots of Pearl as my sidekick, quite a few cameos of some fan favorite characters from Game 1, and excitement at being reminded, since I have forgotten, ... Case 4 murderer's identity spoiled below! Do not click until you've completed the case! Spoiler: show So I do have that to look forward to, at least, when it comes to being surprised by this case.
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11-17-2012, 06:55 PM | #12 |
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Just finished the final case. It was enjoyable ... but long. @_@ And fraught with the problems that begin to plague the series from here on out.
Complaints aside, the case was good. It was a grand finale both for the game and for the franchise as a whole for when it was made. It set the grandiosity bar for all of the finales which were to follow. It posed a very interesting ethical dilemma to Phoenix, one I struggled to answer myself and one which I think all attorneys must confront at some point in their careers. Spoiler: show Spoiler: show Final thoughts. I'd still say Game 1 is overall more enjoyable than Game 2 with only Game 2 Cases 2 and 4 giving any of the Game 1 non-intro cases a run for their money. And I think, on the replay, my case rankings would be 2 > 4 > 3 > 1. On the first play through it'd almost certainly be 4 >= 2 > 1 > 3 but on the replay it's what I said before. Best new character = Pearl Fey. Best overall character again = Pearl Fey. Oh, and one last thing: having played Game 3, it's verrrrrrrrry obvious when revisiting Game 2 that Takumi Shuu was already bouncing around ideas for Game 3 and set the stage for things in very deliberate ways in Game 2. I know I said this before but it came up again during the ending credits although this time it was something to do with a completely different character: Spoiler: show
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