04-22-2013, 06:13 PM | #5001 |
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Funny thing is I actually went ahead and read that manga spoiler a while back, so I know what Dopple and kaisap are whispering to each other about. ^^; Sorry, Talon. There's really nothing I can say that won't spoil the surprise. Heck, I already gave you a hint.
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04-22-2013, 09:16 PM | #5002 |
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I read the spoiler too because I quite honestly have zero fucks to give about this show's plot, which is rare, because I pretty much have a very strict no-spoiler policy on stories I follow. Poor Talon is left out now . The only reason I'm still with it is because it has a potentially interesting premise going for it. Also because of the novelty of terrible animation to joke about. Also I guess because it's fairly intense.
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So ... nice choice of picture, Deo, but could you maybe grab one that doesn't have Spanish fansubs all over it? ^^;;
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Didn't even notice, whoops.
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Posting here because I have nowhere else to spaz:
TWO NEW KAGEPRO SONGS HAVE COME OUT WHY DID I NOT NOTICE THE SECOND ONE WAS JUST RELEASED TODAY AHH SO MANY FEELS WHAT IS GOING ON I BARELY UNDERSTAND THE STORY TO BEGIN WITH BUT EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED SOMEHOW I MUST KNOW WHEN IS THE ANIME COMING OUT HNNNNNNG. 'Kay I'm done fangasming now. In all seriousness, it really is such a pretty song... It's too bad I can't share it since no one will likely Edit- Wow, some people are really critical of this song. =/ I like it at least. =3=
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The mangaka of Aku no Hana has another series running. It's called Boku wa Mari no Naka, and Talon can possibly tell us exactly what is so wrong with the title alone.
Summary: "The manga follows an "angel-like" beautiful high school girl with a certain secret she has been hiding from everyone, and an idle hikikomori (one who adnormally avoids social contant) young man; the highlight of his day is seeing Mari at the convenience store. The story begins as Mari wakes up in her room, but something feel amiss about the room and even her own body." The manga, as I'm reading it so far, is very pink and sparkly. It's a big throw-off from the gloomyness of Aku no Hana. But the second page also declares in big letters "The birth of a new oshimi style heroine!!", which apparently means we have a pervert girl as a protagonist. You can probably guess my surprise at this is non-existent. I'll report more on this series once I get further into it. EDIT: two pages later it is revealed this is a body-swap between pretty high school girl and grown-up hikikomori guy. Oooh boy.
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Thanks for bringing this up, I had not noticed! I did this to UM too, back in the day.
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As for NTR, I think it's related to cuckolding in that the person is aroused by their significant other sleeping around with other people with/out permission, but NTR blends in rape and violence fetishes. Think of the people interested in NTR in the same group as the people who play H-games where you rape women (yes, we've covered even in this thread (iirc) that those exist). Humans have wanted to see suffering and torture since the times of ancient Greece, so the popularity of NTR isn't that surprising if you really think about it. Sexual violence in manga/anime isn't that much different from us watching/reading works filled with gore, torture, murder, images of human organs and open bodies etc etc. We just seem to be more desensitized to the latter kind of violence. Okay, CHEERIER TOPIC. Found this list of anime, which is apparently trying to be a "what to recommend to someone new to anime" kind of sheet. Many of these animes are ones I've heard of or know by name but haven't watched, or haven't watched all the way through. I'm seeing plenty of Studio Ghibli - not surprising - but also almost every movie by Satoshi Kon. If I won't find anything else to do this summer, I'll be taking on the challenge of watching every single show and movie on that sheet. If you know of a better sheet to watch through, lemme know. Sheets of specific genres could also be fun to have a look at (best of school anime, fantasy, slice of life, romance etc etc.). :3
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I don't understand why more and more anime with a set amount of episodes of unfinished novels or manga is a growing trend. It seems very stupid unless the author explained how to the end was going to come about and let it occur in the anime before it even happened in the story.
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Yeah, Fruit's Basket ended incredibly far away from the manga's actual end. I didn't mention the shonen anime because, as I said, set in stone number of episodes - I think it's pretty safe to say One Piece and Naruto aren't going anywhere until their respective mangas wrap up. I also thought about Haruhi as I was writing that post out, but I think the show would probably continue if it weren't for so many issues surrounding the studio and VA scandal.
Anyway, I see your point - I guess I just don't understand why this is a thing that even happens. It seems unfair to the art, to the story, to the author, and to the viewers - to not end it as a complete storyline as it was intended - for any anime based on a manga/light novel. |
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Your claim: there's a recent trend in anime towards adapting unfinished works.What? ^^; And in particular, your answer trying to get Haruhi off the hook doesn't even make sense. What does voice actor trouble have anything to do with the series not being done yet? The series can't be done, no matter how smoothly the studio works, if the books themselves aren't done yet. Isn't that kind of the point!? You're bemoaning that things go on hiatus because they're adaptations of incomplete works. To date, Haruhi is an incomplete work. It's been seven years this month since its first season started. If even in those comfortably expansive seven years Kyoto Animation had covered all of the currently-existing Haruhi material, they'd still be out of material and without an ending. Because Tanigawa hasn't penned one for them to run with. Haruhi not being done has nothing to do with Hirano Aya or Kyoto Animation and everything to do with Kadokawa Shoten and Tanigawa. But even if it did, that still doesn't change the fact that Haruhi is a clear example of starting a series before it's finished. I'm saying that even if Haruhi's final book came out five years ago, the anime was still started before the books from which it's adapted were finished. And that "if" isn't even true. If it's okay with you, can we ask Yuki to move these last four posts into the chat thread? Right from the get-go we're derailing the Aku no Hana thread, and nothing in the post of yours that started us off is surgically inseparable from this thread. In fact, you word the post in the most general of terms.
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Though, I feel like it's already fallen into one of those abyss post-Festival.
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When I say masochism, though, I'm referring to the viewers and not the characters. They like the girls in the story, but like it especially when those girls are torn from their guys and defiled by other guys. I've never been into a lot of doujins for that very reason - while I do hunger for H doujins from time to time, I can't stand seeing characters I like raped or cuckolded away from proper relationships. The gang bang by overweight, hairy dudes in wife-beaters under a flickering light-bulb in a rusty metal shack just irritates the crack out of me. Quote:
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-a good chunk have made it to American dub and have good exposure -Satoshi Kon -shounen stuff Legend of the Galactic Heroes is legit, though. It would take you the whole summer to watch since it's a whopping 110 episode OVA (so the episodes are not merely 22 minutes long!). I already have it mostly downloaded and have watched like the first four, if you intend to tackle it I'd love to watch it with you! It's been sitting on my comp since 2010 so it's show time!
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I'm not sure what you're complaining about VGM, could you elaborate? Are you opposed to animating un-finished novels, or studios messing with stories when they have enough to animate a single season?
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Obligatory WARNING! 18+ only! Adults only! warning label.
As something of an authority on the topic, I'll just say that equating NTR with torture (and thus trying to conclude that people who like NTR must also like torture) simply isn't right. Netorare simply means wife-stealing. We have a word for that in English and it's not torture. It's seduction. Now granted, many a seduction tale starts off with forced sex (i.e. rape), but many don't. Netorare is pretty similar. If we want to say 90% of the tales start off with the man raping the woman, I'd say 10% don't. Don't confuse it with consensual adultery (which doesn't quite fit the strictest definition of NTR): examples of the 10% I'm talking about include things like:
The second point to bring up is, say we look at those 90% of stories I said started with rape. I'm using "rape" in the strictest definition of the word: a man or a woman attempts to initiate (whether ultimately successful or not) sexual intercourse with another man or woman to the latter's distress. But the thing is, just like you'd expect with near about any fetish, rape as a plot device in hentai runs the full gamut from "dark, sick, and prolonged" to "light-hearted, comical, and short-lived". The latter might sound offensive but hear me out! I'm talking the Love Hina of rape scenarios, and they're a lot more common than you think. Something like:
I would say that (again, if we play with armchair math) if 90% of NTR stories start off with rape, over half of them (50% of the 100% total) end with the woman having already quite enjoyed the outcome by the end of one 20-page chapter while less than half of them (40% of the 100% total) end with the woman enjoying the final outcome, however long the author takes to get there. Stories that end with the woman distressed a) don't even really qualify as NTR (for the same reason that they don't qualify as its parent category, seduction) and b) even in the greater pantheon of hentai are the exception to the rule. I'm not trying to make excuses here for NTR fetishists nor am I trying to persuade anyone here that they should like NTR stories. I am, however, shining some light on the (imo) ignorance that NTR equates misogyny, abuse, torture, etc. and that the men who like NTR categorically must be turned on by those things. Again, you wouldn't accuse a man who is turned on by James Bond films' "sex" scenes of being someone who is into torture porn or is a latent wifebeater, so I don't really see why you do it here with hentai. James Bond is the prototypical NTR star. His whole schtick is "turned on by married women, don't really care for single women." He makes a point of pursuing relationships with women to whom he is sexually attracted and who he knows to already be in a relationship with some other man. It's totally NTR -- he's stealing someone else's wife away from them -- but it's not the least bit violent. Is all NTR hentai this sparkly clean? Well, no. But neither is it all as grimdark or terrible as some of you seem to believe it to be.
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Once again, obligatory Warning! 18+ only! warning.
There was a story I wanted to share a long time ago but said "Naaaaaaah" and never did. But now seems like an appropriate time to bring it up and to use it as an example of the "comical rape" I mentioned earlier. If you're interested, I can provide source information below in picture form. (I'd rather not type it out and lead pornbots to UPN.) Spoiler tagging because this became way, way longer than I thought it would. ^^; Spoiler: show
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To expand a little on Chobits though ... the original manga is very surgical. Plot point, plot point, plot point, bam you're done. There's no filler. And while people normally hate filler, self included, the thing about a series like Chobits is ... it's a romance. And not just any romance, but a very cute, warm, cozy little love story that you want to just snuggle into like a warm, ploofy sweater. So it actually helps your story out, not hinders it, to have some side episodes which show the two main characters just hanging out doing cute things together. One of my favorite episodes of the series was entirely made for television. Episode 19, "Chii Helps", the episode where Hideki and Chii help Ms. Hibiya out with some spring cleaning of the apartment complex. (Listed as 17 of 24 by Funimation but is 19 of 27 overall.) Specifically, the bit that starts at 4m58s in the Funimation YouTube video just linked, featuring the song "Sing a Song", with the highlight of adorability at 6m02s (so skip to 5m57s if you want to see it). This wasn't in the manga, and it would have never existed had someone at Madhouse not decided to invent it. I'm grateful to them that they did, but only because it's so wonderful. ^^; As a general rule, I don't want people to try -- because they fail far, far more often than they succeed and when they do fail usually they fail pretty badly. Kind of a paradox, no? I want more Chii butterfly scenes but I don't even want people to try. Perhaps the sentiments of a fan like me might give you some appreciation for the dilemma the animation studios find themselves in.
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I guess I'll chime in with an example of a personal preference that had a made-for-TV ending: Full Moon wo Sagashite. To date the finale has made me cry the hardest of anything I've ever seen. After finishing I would re-watch the final episodes leading up to it every now and then, and each time I would shed buckets. (Eventually the emotional impact dwindled, and by the point it failed to elicit any more tears I laid the series to rest and haven't revisited it since in order to preserve my memories on a pedestal. XP) I read the manga afterwards, which had a lot of differences but in my opinion both stories handled their individual and shared developments well (at least the animé did once it got past the filler). The manga had a great ending too that also made me cry. (Especially since coincidentally the animé's epic last song came on at the exact same time the lyrics appeared as a cameo in the final chapter, so I could actually read along to them. o.o; Then again I was listening to the OST on repeat. XP) But the animé conclusion will always have a special place in my heart, cementing it as the first show I considered a favorite even though I have since discovered new loves.
Edit- Ouran also actually had a strong made-for-TV finale that left things open-ended rather than shoving relationships down our throats. *shrug*
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So ... wow. I ...
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I bet Talon hopes a meteor appears to drive those herbivore men into extinction.
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Okay normally I refrain from asking questions that'll make me look like an idiot, but what's a herbivore in the context you just used?
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