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Old 05-01-2014, 04:43 PM   #1901
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The point is i gave Breloom BBreak back when DualScreens Klefki was used more often.
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Old 05-01-2014, 05:25 PM   #1902
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>Screens
I run them on DSKlefki, although mainly to Ensure Scolitrain happening.
I never run it without Scolitrain, and vice-versa; the two are just not that good on their own.
And, to note, the two mostly pass on to M-Medi, M-Pins, or M-Hera. Mandibuzz if it wants ID boosts to stop some physical attacker to rampage.
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Old 05-01-2014, 07:34 PM   #1903
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Old 05-01-2014, 08:47 PM   #1904
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Decided to ladder a bit. Almost got to 10-0, but I got major haxxed out of a win. Not fun. Ended up 9-1 before I stopped. (any win not shown was a forfeit within the first 5 turns).

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Old 05-02-2014, 01:57 AM   #1905
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>implying Lucario is fast enough to make Aura Sphere a better choice than Vacuum Wave

Most people run Physical with Bullet Punch and that sexy Extremespeed; I really enjoy Special purely for headcanon reasons. But if you're sacrificing priority in order to get 20 more power and guaranteed accuracy, you're going to be sacrificing your doggie.
Er, sorry, but 20 more power? On normal Lucario, Vacuum Wave is 40 x 1.5 or 60 and Aura Sphere is 80 * 1.5 or 120. That's a difference of 60 which is quite significant. On MEGA Lucario(though I don't know the metagame but I suspect nobody uses it) it's 40x2=80 versus 80x2=160. Difference of 80.

God damn it, I wish Smogon would post XY sets already on the site. Anyone know if they have a timeline for that? Or have they given up on it?
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Old 05-02-2014, 05:02 AM   #1906
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http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads...index.3494918/

...Last updated March 13th, but it's the only source I know where at least some analyses were collected off the top of my head. No clue on when all of them are going to be up on site, however.
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Old 05-02-2014, 05:07 AM   #1907
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Apparently most of them link to here where they're all collected, including the half-complete ones. Thanks phoopes!
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Old 05-02-2014, 04:02 PM   #1908
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Trolling the lower ladder is fun. Specscadrill, QuiverMoth, Fizzy Greninja, and Curse Ferrothorn make up 2/3s of my team.* The other two members are AV Conk and Mega Pinsir, mainly for an offensive fallback should I need them.

*Team is not serious in any way, nor do I condone using such terrible gimmicks. This team is merely for entertainment purposes only, and will not be seen in any serious play.
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Old 05-02-2014, 04:50 PM   #1909
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Physical Greninja is actually pretty viable though, not gimmicky at all, it has a more than good enough physical movepool and a decent attack stat to back it up. And all his three priority moves are physical
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Old 05-02-2014, 05:40 PM   #1910
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Tell that to everyone I talk to. I just called it a gimmick because everyone else does, not because I believe it myself. Dealing 70% to Mega TTar with Waterfall is nothing to scoff at. Plus it gets past his usual counters. That, and surprise value is always nice.

It's true that I misspoke about it being a gimmick, and a terrible one at that. No arguments there (from me at least). I'd call it a niche more than anything.

Plus I was just saying that the team itself is more for the lulz than anything else (even though for some reason I keep winning against semi decent teams).
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Old 05-02-2014, 05:44 PM   #1911
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The issue with Greninja is that no matter how you cut it, the coverage of the Special movepool will always beat the coverage of the physical movepool. Water Shuriken is, sadly, ass, and Power-Up Punch oddly enough doesn't provide great coverage.

Dat Specsdrill tho
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Old 05-02-2014, 05:58 PM   #1912
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The issue with Greninja is that no matter how you cut it, the coverage of the Special movepool will always beat the coverage of the physical movepool. Water Shuriken is, sadly, ass, and Power-Up Punch oddly enough doesn't provide great coverage.

Dat Specsdrill tho
Unfortunately. Its more of a niche than a gimmick though. I just prefer the special set thanks to Extrasensory and Ice Beam. However, Shadow Sneak is actually a pretty cool priority move on the physical set. Much better than lol Water Shuriken. Turning a weakness into an immunity is always nice.

Specscadrill is legit.
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Old 05-03-2014, 04:43 AM   #1913
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Has anybody used Focus Sash'd, Endeavor+ Quick Attack Rattata? I am gonna use it
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Old 05-03-2014, 04:48 AM   #1914
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FEAR Rattata, Aron and Magnemite are so annoying. You should feel bad for considering it.
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Old 05-03-2014, 05:10 AM   #1915
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Has anybody used Focus Sash'd, Endeavor+ Quick Attack Rattata? I am gonna use it
Use Aron instead, much better thanks to Sturdy which opens up the item slot for Shell Bell so it can replenish it's health to full after Endeavor. Use it in combination with a Sandstorm setter, give it Protect, Toxic, HP Rock and you're set to get at the very least one kill, and possibly more if the opponent is unprepared.
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Old 05-03-2014, 05:40 AM   #1916
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Old 05-03-2014, 07:50 AM   #1917
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You know what's dickish? Sturdy/Pain Split Pineco. Bringing a full health Empoleon down to 2% before it finally couldn't sturdy anymore.
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Old 05-03-2014, 09:29 AM   #1919
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Old 05-03-2014, 10:53 AM   #1920
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FEAR is a really easy tactic to stop and not really worth using in OU. Everyone knows what it is and the moment it comes out, they'll know what to do. There's no surprise anymore, so it's just not effective.
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Old 05-03-2014, 10:56 AM   #1921
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So having dabbled in OU lately(with a team of Deoxys-D/ScarfManectric/SpecsKeldeo/BulkySDMegaScizor/Conkeldurr/Landorus-I) I've won 6 consecutive matches(albeit against noobs.) This is fun. But you know what's the best thing? I can outstall almost every Ferrothorn with Scizor. God damn that's awesome.
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Old 05-03-2014, 11:04 AM   #1922
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>Scarf Mane

That's interesting. Any reason you are using it over something like Raikou or Zapdos?
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Old 05-03-2014, 11:09 AM   #1923
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Because they are not fast enough to revenge kill stuff that I really need to revenge kill. Also they're not as good a Volt Switcher.
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Old 05-03-2014, 11:11 AM   #1924
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But Raikou is faster and stronger. I guess the reason is Lightningrod then?
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Old 05-03-2014, 11:17 AM   #1925
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Actually for some reason I was thinking Raikou's speed was lower. I actually think I'll replace him now.
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