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Old 05-15-2016, 02:46 PM   #276
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Clearly they fucked up and those are actually the typings of the Mega Gen 2 starters.

Where in Meganium essentially becomes a flowery Tropious
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Old 05-15-2016, 02:58 PM   #277
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Unless- and here's a possibility- the site's in Pokedex order already and the starters aren't at the front of the Pokedex, or even grouped together, because they're catchable in-game or one's from each island or something. Maybe, just maybe, the starters are just like most other Pokemon, and not rare as all tits.
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Old 05-15-2016, 03:06 PM   #278
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I could see what Zelph is saying if adding Ground to Typhlosion didn't actively make it worse.

Oh well at least
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Old 05-15-2016, 03:18 PM   #279
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Unless- and here's a possibility- the site's in Pokedex order already and the starters aren't at the front of the Pokedex, or even grouped together, because they're catchable in-game or one's from each island or something. Maybe, just maybe, the starters are just like most other Pokemon, and not rare as all tits.
You are seriously stretching it man.
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Old 05-15-2016, 05:07 PM   #281
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Old 05-15-2016, 06:15 PM   #282
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Spoiler below. The japanese pokemon site possibly had a vulnerability which revealed the final typing of the starters. The guy in the video shows how he did it. Don't click if you don't want to be spoiled on what are very possibly the final evo typings.

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Potential vulnerability in the Pokemon Japanese website reveals the final evolution typings to be Grass/Flying, Fire/Ground, and Water/Fighting.

The pictures of the final evos in the video are NOT real, however.
Not going to read the guts of your post yet, but umm ... does your post in any way differ substantially from what we've been discussing for the past few days after uhhhhh shared this?

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guys

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check this out, someone found this while checking the JP website's data (Warning: possible final types for the starters)

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http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/sun_moon...on/partner_01/

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/sun_moon...ges/icon01.png - Grass (used for Rowlet)

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/sun_moon...ges/icon02.png - Flying (used for Rowlet)

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/sun_moon...ges/icon03.png - Ground (unused)

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/sun_moon...ges/icon04.png - Fire (used for Litten)

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/sun_moon...ges/icon05.png - Water (used for Popplio)

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/sun_moon...ges/icon06.png - Fighting (unused)

For icon 7 and beyond, there's nothing

So, there are icons for both of Rowlet's types, one for Litten's type, one for Popplip's type, and two unused ones for the Ground and Fighting types

It's intriguing that they have icons for Ground and Fighting types when they are not even used yet and yet not have icons for the others. Judging by the file names being so near to the Grass/Flying/Fire/Water types, this could only mean that these are the types that will most likely be added on the final evos. (I really do not see them using these for the legends)

So we could be looking at three most probable possibilities for the starters final types:

1.) Grass/Flying, Fire/Ground, Water/Fighting
2.) Grass/Flying, Fire/Fighting, Water/Ground (oh god please not another Fire/Fighting)
3.) Grass/Ground, Fire, Water/Fighting (going by the order of the images)
Just curious, 'cause in both cases you guys bring up someone trying to datamine the Japanese website and how he's found typings, so there's a lot of overlap there ...
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Old 05-15-2016, 08:55 PM   #283
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Not going to read the guts of your post yet, but umm ... does your post in any way differ substantially from what we've been discussing for the past few days after uhhhhh shared this?


Just curious, 'cause in both cases you guys bring up someone trying to datamine the Japanese website and how he's found typings, so there's a lot of overlap there ...
how the fuck did I miss that post.

sorry guys there are just so many posts going into this thread on a constant basis that I just can't keep up with it all.
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Old 05-15-2016, 10:17 PM   #284
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how the fuck did I miss that post.

sorry guys there are just so many posts going into this thread on a constant basis that I just can't keep up with it all.
If it makes you feel any better, phoopes and IronThunder responded to uhhhh's post and then also responded to yours as though it was the first time they were hearing about this.

Now that I know we're just spinning our wheels and regurgitating conversation from Friday, I'll just share the one new thing I've learned about since last time:

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stilt owls. Stilt owls were a type of owl native to the Hawaiian islands and nowhere else on the planet. Like many other birds on many other islands in Earth's history, stilt owls evolved over the course of time to have more prominent legs than most of their kin, and they adapted to life on the ground where they knew few natural predators. When Polynesian man arrived a thousand years ago, the stilt owls were unable to fend off the diseases and predators which Man brought to the island.

I'm not spoiler tagging any of this because ffs this is the spoiler thread and even I, king(?) of hating spoilers on UPN, can agree that you have no business poking your nose in this thread at this point if you don't want to be spoiled on anything. Also: it's still speculation at this point, no matter how persuasive the arguments may sound. (EDIT: Fuck it, I'll spoiler tag it still. FOR NOW.) But I've gotta say: I think the Internet's already cracked the case on this one.
  • If the games go tertiary with typing, it's okay: Rowlet's final form can be Grass/Flying/Ground because stilt owls "were well able to fly" despite being terrestrial. That choice of the word "well" there makes me think they were more like flamingos than chickens -- it's not so much "I can go airborne for 10 seconds" as it is "I can migrate, motherfucker! I just don't like to perch in trees, 's all. I like standing on the ground. :>"
  • If the games don't go tertiary with typing, well then no shit Sherlock we're going to see the line become Grass/Ground.
  • Rowlet losing its ability to fly, while it makes me all kinds of sad , would honestly fit the evolution theme really, really well. "Normally you don't lose such kickass traits as flight, but when you know no natural predators on a tiny island like Hawaii the genetic lottery can do funny things to your species." Stilt owls are a real thing. And not only that ...
  • Stilt owls are a uniquely Hawaiian thing. Makes perfect sense to make a uniquely Hawaiian animal one of the PokéHawaiian starters.
  • A lot of fans have noticed that all Grass type starters are, at one point or another in their evolution line, an animal from the fossil record. Sometimes it's the final form, sometimes it's the initial form, sometimes it's the whole damn species. Regardless: Grass starters and the fossil record seem to be a thing. Well, the fossil record doesn't work too clearly well with an adorable arboreal owl like Rowlet ... but it works really, really fucking well with stilt owls.
  • Having Rowlet evolve into a stilt owl should theoretically appease the owl lovers like me who would have gotten angry had Rowlet become some other animal the way that Oshawott did.
  • Can't deny the connection between stilt owls' long legs and Rowlet's dex entry's emphasis on its kicking. This is a way to reconcile that fact without making Rowlet part-Fighting. We weren't supposed to pay attention to the legs and think "kickboxer": we were supposed to pay attention to the legs and think "extinct Hawaiian owl species."

So yeah. At this point I do believe that the Internet has correctly deduced what typing Rowlet's final form will have. And not just what typing it'll have, but indeed what very animal or animals it will be based off of.

Still interested. Still #teamrowlet. Still looking forward to picking him for my starter and seeing what this final form ends up looking like.

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And still very, very scared I've signed up for #teamhumanshape once again. orz Because god dammit you know that a stilt-legged owl is going to be prime fodder for Game Freak's furry division to take and turn into yet another Blaziken. God damn it damn it.
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Old 05-16-2016, 01:48 AM   #285
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Im all for the possible final evo types. I dont see how popplio is going to end up water/fighting but i sure would like a water/fighting to use other than poliwrath (yes i know keldeo is a thing.
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Old 05-16-2016, 03:16 AM   #286
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See is it just me that internally hates the idea of pure Fire for the starter again?
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Old 05-16-2016, 03:22 AM   #287
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See is it just me that internally hates the idea of pure Fire for the starter again?
Considering we've had only one ever, I'm okay with the idea.
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Old 05-16-2016, 01:29 PM   #289
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yes but the only pure-Fire starter was a sack of shit. Fire/Fighting's been overdone a bit but we're yet to have an actually terrible Fire/Fighting type except possibly Emboar, and even then Emboar is better than Typhlosion.
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Old 05-16-2016, 02:45 PM   #290
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I mean, worst Fire starter doesn't really have much competition other than Emboar and Delphox, but they both have other STABs and aren't terrible. Emboar even has this magical thing called a movepool! But yeah, Typhlosion doesn't have much/anything going for it really that other things don't do better.

Also wow if that makes people hate me then I really shouldn't start on the other starters.
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I'd enjoy a mono-Fire starter. Having only one STAB is disappointing but there aren't many unexplored type combos remaining that you'd want a fire cat to have. Some like Fire/Poison produce new 4x weaknesses to be bemoaned, while others like Fire/Fairy don't seen like they'd fit Litten well.

Typhlosion would like a wider movepool (--> less predictable moveset) and not being choice locked. Aside from that he isn't doing too bad. Eruption's cool, Extrasensory and Focus Blast are probably more than his species deserves, and his SpAtk is serviceable even by Gen 6's demanding standards. Yes, he's RU, but then again so are Emboar and Delphox.
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See, idk what typing Litten could go as. If it's monofire with an actual movepool, it wouldn't be too bad, but equally Fire/Dark with a real movepool wouldn't be too terrible, and fits with GF's ideology of all cats being evil.

Anyway, Popplio. Who else has this one as their backup in case GF screws up their first pick for starter?
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Funny comic. Spoilered for size:

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If GF screws up Litten I just straight up won't evolve it to whatever stage it begins falling apart at, Nuzlocke be damned.
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An idea for the leak-y thing

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alright so basically that website leaks that we will be getting a Fighting type and a Ground type revealed some time soon buuut that doesn't mean they're starters?

Talon or somebody else who knows Japanese, is it possible that those icons are in alphabetical order or something similar

(i really want water/fairy popplio evolutions don't do this to me gamefreak)
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alright so basically that website leaks that we will be getting a Fighting type and a Ground type revealed some time soon buuut that doesn't mean they're starters?

Talon or somebody else who knows Japanese, is it possible that those icons are in alphabetical order or something similar

(i really want water/fairy popplio evolutions don't do this to me gamefreak)
I thought about that too but no, they're not in any sort of alphabetical order. The order they were provided in was:

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くさ, ひこう, じめん, ほのお, みず, かくとう
Kusa, Hikou, Jimen, Honoo, Mizu, Kakutou
Grass, Flying, Ground, Fire, Water, Fighting

Looking at that list, the alphabetical order would be:

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かくとう, くさ, じめん, ひこう, ほのお, みず
Kakutou, Kusa, Jimen, Hikou, Honoo, Mizu
Fighting, Grass, Ground, Flying, Fire, Water

That order is random/scrambled compared with the order we received. So we can rule out that they were ordered 01 to 06 in either alphabetical or reverse alphabetical order.
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