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Old 04-02-2017, 07:36 AM   #3726
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So I think you guys know about Target's LGBT bathroom problem. I think the whole matter was pretty ridiculous, but that's beside the point. The purpose of this post is to talk about what Walmart has done while Target was being detonated by the issue.

For a long time, Walmart has had the single-occupant bathrooms. Originally they were handicap. Long before the LGBT bomb, they were changed to a "Unisex" bathroom, with a symbol for both a male and female replacing the person in a wheelchair.

About two weeks ago, the logo has changed, clearly in response to target. Now, it features the same male and female, but there is a child in between them, holding both of their hands.

The new title is "FAMILY BATHROOM".

I find the change ironic and darkly funny, as it's killing two birds with one stone - addressing the LGBT concern (basically saying, "we don't care for your business, take it to Target kthx") and denigrating its most helpless customers, who come from broken families that, even if both parents are present, are probably far from harmonious unlike what the icon would suggest.

Just something I noticed as I wiped poop from the walls.
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Old 04-02-2017, 03:12 PM   #3727
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So I think you guys know about Target's LGBT bathroom problem. I think the whole matter was pretty ridiculous, but that's beside the point. The purpose of this post is to talk about what Walmart has done while Target was being detonated by the issue.

For a long time, Walmart has had the single-occupant bathrooms. Originally they were handicap. Long before the LGBT bomb, they were changed to a "Unisex" bathroom, with a symbol for both a male and female replacing the person in a wheelchair.

About two weeks ago, the logo has changed, clearly in response to target. Now, it features the same male and female, but there is a child in between them, holding both of their hands.

The new title is "FAMILY BATHROOM".

I find the change ironic and darkly funny, as it's killing two birds with one stone - addressing the LGBT concern (basically saying, "we don't care for your business, take it to Target kthx") and denigrating its most helpless customers, who come from broken families that, even if both parents are present, are probably far from harmonious unlike what the icon would suggest.

Just something I noticed as I wiped poop from the walls.
So there's one bathroom now and it says "Family" with a picture of a family? Or all of them are like this? Or the unisex one now says family and that's bad because many transfolk come from broken homes? The "family" bathrooms usually include changing tables which is a big help for parents, but I wouldn't take it as "you must have a child to use this room".
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Old 04-02-2017, 04:27 PM   #3728
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I'll give that I haven't been to my local Walmart in a good long time, but the last time I DID go there were changing stations in the men's bathroom (the women's as well, presumably). If that's not longer the case then I'd be inclined to look at this optimistically as Walmart indicating to parents "Hey, this is the bathroom with a changing station." with no real intent to disenfranchise the LGBTQ community. But if they're still elsewhere... yeah there's really no excuse.
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Old 04-02-2017, 05:16 PM   #3729
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Family bathrooms are labeled like that because they (at least should be) extra sized with a changing station so I can wheel in my stroller when trying to change my kid.
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Old 04-02-2017, 09:30 PM   #3730
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So there's one bathroom now and it says "Family" with a picture of a family? Or all of them are like this? Or the unisex one now says family and that's bad because many transfolk come from broken homes? The "family" bathrooms usually include changing tables which is a big help for parents, but I wouldn't take it as "you must have a child to use this room".
The unisex bathroom now says "Family Bathroom" and the picture changed from a man/woman to a man/child/woman with all three holding hands.

All the bathrooms had changing stations. Walmart was not progressive so much as practical - it had more money and space than Target and could afford to install the single-person bathrooms for handicap in all its stores. The change to unisex was a pro-LGBT move and was not brought about by any external social pressure.

The change away from unisex is not necessarily anti-LGBT in a context neutral setting, but given the topicality of the bathroom thing, to me it is an anti-LGBT move.

The bathroom is smaller than our normal ones. It's a single person bathroom. You can't fit a family inside. Strollers are not allowed as they are an asset protection liability (easy to steal things).

So having it depict a complete family is hilarious. To me, it's like putting up a permanent "DO NOT USE" sign because 90% of the customers to our store do not qualify as a family.
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Old 04-02-2017, 10:21 PM   #3731
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The unisex bathroom now says "Family Bathroom" and the picture changed from a man/woman to a man/child/woman with all three holding hands.

All the bathrooms had changing stations. Walmart was not progressive so much as practical - it had more money and space than Target and could afford to install the single-person bathrooms for handicap in all its stores. The change to unisex was a pro-LGBT move and was not brought about by any external social pressure.

The change away from unisex is not necessarily anti-LGBT in a context neutral setting, but given the topicality of the bathroom thing, to me it is an anti-LGBT move.

The bathroom is smaller than our normal ones. It's a single person bathroom. You can't fit a family inside. Strollers are not allowed as they are an asset protection liability (easy to steal things).

So having it depict a complete family is hilarious. To me, it's like putting up a permanent "DO NOT USE" sign because 90% of the customers to our store do not qualify as a family.
This is the kind of shit that makes some people think that these communities are just looking for things to be hysterical about.
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Old 04-04-2017, 09:54 PM   #3732
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My dad once had to visit Walmart corporate HQ as part of his job: the building was so drab and dreary that he said that he would probably kill himself if he had to show up to work there every day. He also has some fun anecdotes about the weird penny wise pound foolish shit they do, like having any traveling employees shacked up in the cheapest hotel in the shittiest part of town far away from whatever business function they're supposed to be attending, so practically speaking they don't actually accomplish any meaningful savings and just waste everyone's time.

The moral of the story is that you probably shouldn't worry about the perfidious schemes involved in bathroom door markings and should instead recognize that Walmart is just kind of shit about everything in general.
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Old 04-05-2017, 07:33 AM   #3733
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The company is actually going through a bit of a make-over. The reason I started working there in the first place is they are, by far, the best payer in town. The starting hourly wage when I joined last year was $14.5 - the next highest salary is $10 even.

Walmart figured out early that Amazon is not a threat to itself, despite everyone saying otherwise. Amazon is a threat to dinosaurs (Macy's, Sears, JC Penny) and hipster retailers (like SportsAuthority, Abercrombie-Fitch and Target) where being hip and convenient is used as an excuse to charge higher prices. Walmart is willing to concede the hipster business and just soak up all the business for the poor.

Our store, for example, is top 10 in the US for revenue. The reason is the area I live in is one of the poorest in the Midwest, and Walmart sponges all of their business for needs. It's a model Walmart will try to follow across the country.

Contrary to popular belief, if Trump really does pull off a nativist economic policy, Walmart will be hurt less than Amazon (and Dollar Tree/Dollar General) because almost all of Amazon's cheaper produces are Chinese sourced, while it's a mixed back for Walmart and none of our foods except frozen fish come from China.

A recession is even better as that forces even richer clientele to shop there. I'm sure Doug McMillon loves Trump's efforts to torpedo the market bull!
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Old 04-05-2017, 11:44 AM   #3734
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Exactly as I predicted, as did literally anyone with a functional brain, tourism's crashing in the US as tourists opt for Canada or Europe. It's hardly surprising- as an Indian, I wouldn't even fucking think of going to the US in its current situation, because border control are doing straight up Gestapo bullshit and hate crimes are through the roof. Also people on tourist visas are prohibited from participating in political protests and I don't think I could physically stop myself, but.

Fun fact:

There are 77,000 coal mining jobs in America. There are 5,302,000 tourism jobs in America.

Florida went Republican again this year. They're practically propped up by the tourism industry and will be one of the first to be flooded to climate change. They're literally voting for their own demise.
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Foreign tourists tend to visit liberal strongholds (big cities like NYC, SFO, Seattle) and not to the armpit of America that actually needs it to survive. Moreover, I would argue Trump's supporters would prefer if non-whites stay out of the country, visiting or no.

It's not surprising because it's exactly what the poor, racist whites want.
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Old 04-06-2017, 10:59 AM   #3736
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Foreign tourists tend to visit liberal strongholds (big cities like NYC, SFO, Seattle) and not to the armpit of America that actually needs it to survive. Moreover, I would argue Trump's supporters would prefer if non-whites stay out of the country, visiting or no.

It's not surprising because it's exactly what the poor, racist whites want.
Do Iowa whites benefit from "American tourism"? On a macro scale, yes, due to monetary inflows, but on a per capita basis I can't imagine that it's at all impactful. Curious, though.
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Old 04-06-2017, 11:32 AM   #3737
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I would say yes they do, but the main issue is that those people are a.) conditioned to believe that handouts are morally wrong and b.) in a situation where handouts would revitalize their economy and keep things from falling apart. If the whole country maximizes profits, the poor benefit from social programs paid for by that money. In no other situation do poor whites actually benefit from anything; they just gain power relative to poor minorities and rich whites.

There's not much to be done for coal country right now. It's rural, so you can't run a profitable business, and quiet, so you don't have any tourism, with basically zero money flowing in. Once upon a time these towns made money through mining whatever was available, but when resources dry up, so do the town's prospects.

These areas are just...really reliant on natural resources. Hunting/trapping, logging, mining...just not as useful in a green-energy world that uses electronics powered by solar and wind. Oil will always be in demand (we NEED plastics) but that dries up eventually. Tech congregates around tech, so there's none of it moving TO these areas, and as mentioned, rural areas don't naturally circulate or attract money.

Iowa is farmland so it could theoretically prop itself up if it wanted to, but farming gets more automated over time so that doesn't really benefit everyone there.

So it really ends up being just a sticky argument for giving Mincome to people who think that Mincome is Satan's plan for America.
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those people are conditioned to believe that handouts are morally wrong
Not saying you're wrong, given that there are other forces at work here, but ...

>Iowa whites
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>"handouts are morally wrong"

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There's a difference between "the community comes together to help people out" and "the government hands you a paycheck" in people's minds.

Also religious people are hella hypocritical.
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Not saying you're wrong, given that there are other forces at work here, but ...

>Iowa whites
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>"handouts are morally wrong"

wuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu--
First off, Iowa is a very nice state. I've visited. It's all about farming, and the population is low-density to a fault, but it's generally a good state with a functioning economy. Trump took the state by a few percentage points, and their senior senator is a pretty good Republican as things go. He's the kind you want to run the Republican Party, really.

Ironically, the senator who is not an elderly white straight man is kind of a nutjob.

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Basically she's the typical junior senator who thinks that because she has been elected, she a.) should try them out and b.) should get her way every time. Think Trump.

Anyway IA is decent enough for a Republican state because its economy is working and stable. Like I said, it runs off of farmland...you don't really stop needing food. Money comes into the state whether it goes to a huge automated farm or to individual farm hands. When we talk about racist whites and Trump supporters we're really talking places that relied heavily on fossil fuels and manufacturing - MI, OH, WV, PA. These places were drawn in by racist rhetoric because unlike the Left, who promised to solve their problems with social safety nets and unionizing, Trump is promising to give them their jobs back by promoting fossil fuels and industry. More fossil fuels = more fossil fuel related jobs = more manufacturing = Rust Belt starts making money again.

That's the point here: these people don't have jobs, and America is running out of things for them to do. Our tech-oriented society is moving towards less and less unskilled labor, and skilled labor doesn't have any desire to sit in the middle of the mountains where cell service is shitty. You can't give them handouts because they don't want them; you have to create jobs in those areas specifically. Hillary promised to create jobs, but she basically only strengthened areas that are high population density:

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Make corporations, the wealthy, and Wall Street pay their fair share, by fighting to close loopholes like the Buffett Rule.
Create policies that support 21st-century families, like equal pay, guaranteed paid leave, and reduced child care costs.
Where does this help my small West Virginia town? Our infrastructure would be a waste of money to fix, we don't manufacture anything, we don't have any research going on, clean energy actively destroys the jobs we are clinging to, and businesses don't thrive or grow here (there's only so much money you can make from a town of 200 people!). The only thing Hillary's plan will do to benefit us is increase the wages companies have to pay their workers....which is not great for small businesses, who now have to lay off employees.

Shuckle why should I care about this? Because this is why they voted Trump. Not because they hate foreigners, but because they need coal to survive. Stop calling them racist and start recognizing that Trump is just a life preserver to them. Most of them are literally just trying to rationalize that Trump is a good person simply because he's on their side (see also: the CIA ousting a democratically elected leader and replacing him with a US-friendly tyrant, rationalizing that because he liked the US he must be ok).

There are 2 groups of Trump supporters: Bible Belt and Rust Belt. Bible Belt runs along the southern border, and their jobs are threatened by illegal immigrants who will do things for cheap. Rust belt runs along the Great Lakes, and their jobs are threatened by automation and green energy. Do you think Hillary Clinton, the Green Energy/Pro-Immigration candidate, is going to be elected?
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Old 04-07-2017, 10:24 AM   #3742
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Nobody's going to do the jobs most illegal immigrants do. Immigration laws in the southern states that have been dumb enough to try them have proven that. People who vote for Trump because Hillary isn't going to deport enough illegals are poorly informed voters who don't understand the actual economic consequences of the presence (or sudden removal)
of Illegal immigrants. Unless these people are telling me they're gonna work ten hours a day six days a week in the citrus fields and get a check for less than $100 at the end of the week, or else they're gonna start paying twelve bucks for a carton of orange juice while working a minimum wage job, they aren't actually losing anything to the immigrants they're supposedly voting against Hillary because of.

In the rust belt, it's much less about green energy than you say. Automation and the trade deals are more important. Take Pennsylvania for example. There's only about 7500 mining jobs in PA. Even assuming they all have like-minded spouses, that's 15000 votes max for Trump. Roughly 6 million people voted in Pennsylvania.
Hillary lost the state by about 60000 votes. The math for your argument just doesn't add up, especially when you factor in the thousands of votes Hillary likely received from enivrionmentally-conscious millennials who wouldn't have voted for her otherwise. No, what's much more reasonable than saying coal won Trump the Election is saying that places like Michigan and Pennsylvania went for Trump because their MANUFACTURING jobs have gone overseas. Trump's most reliable and repeated position throughout the campaign was that trade deals are terrible and need to be scrapped or fixed so people can have their jobs back.

Lo and Behold, Michigan and West Virginia supported Bernie in the primary and voted for Trump in the general. Trade is just about the only place Trump and Bernie agree. Bernie's an extremely pro clean energy candidate, in fact more so than Hillary.

Trump didn't win for being pro coal or anti immigrant. He won because he was anti trade and not Hillary Clinton. Clinton was an extremely weak and hated candidate who wouldn't have even had a chance in a general election against anyone other than Trump, and she couldn't even beat him because he was able to seize otherwise blue States by exploiting her weakness on trade.

So yeah, imo the calls for change in the party's platform in terms of immigration and climate change are poorly founded. The only things we need to do to win decisively in 2020 are to perhaps be a bit less pro trade and most importantly NOT PUT HILLARY CLINTON FORWARD AS OUR CANDIDATE. If we had done that much, we would have won 2016. If we do that much, we win 2020.
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Nobody's going to do the jobs most illegal immigrants do.
This isn't correct, exactly.

Here in the northern midwest, as far away from Mexico as humanly possible, you have to overpay people to do the menial jobs that illegals perform down south for sub minimum wage. Employers are competing for labour as opposed to labour competing for jobs.

For example, CNA's working in a convalescent hospital take home $4000 a week here, after taxes. Not RNs. Not even LPNs. CNAs. The are working >16 hrs per day, but they are taking home $4000 per week. And there's tons of nursing homes and people willing to hire for comparable money.

Said CNAs are on the brink of quitting due to the hours. Not even that amount of money is good compensation up here.
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Trump bombed Syria. Surprised it took this long, even if it is a total flipflop.

Also, Bannon was ousted from the NSC and replaced by Rick Perry. He's apparently talking shit about Kushner behind his back... which is really dumb considering Jared Kushner is Trump's damn son-in-law. Not surprisingly, he may get fired. Priebus too, considering how much difficulty Trump's had already.

And, as was obvious the second Schumer said he was gonna filibuster, McConnell went with the nuclear option and confirmed Gorsuch.

Romney may be running for the Senate in Utah to replace Orrin Hatch.

And Stockholm got attacked by terrorists... because why? What did Sweden do to anybody?

Oh, and in news nobody is talking about, we're due for a spending bill this month, so when Congress reconvenes there'll be a scramble to pass something to avoid a shutdown (probably just another continuing resolution until they can actually agree on a new budget). What'll really be interesting here is how the actual budget negotiations play out. Schumer is only talking to McConnell, and straight up told Mulvaney (Trump's budget guy) to stay on the sidelines and let Congress negotiate, which is really the best option. Hilariously, rumor has it that the GOP is considering not adding money for the border wall.

I do think that we can get a bipartisan budget though, barring Trump mucking it up, as that's exactly what Schumer's narrative is.
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And Stockholm got attacked by terrorists... because why? What did Sweden do to anybody?
Remember Trump's fake Sweden terrorist attacks?

He basically told them too.
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Remember Trump's fake Sweden terrorist attacks?

He basically told them too.
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This isn't correct, exactly.

Here in the northern midwest, as far away from Mexico as humanly possible, you have to overpay people to do the menial jobs that illegals perform down south for sub minimum wage. Employers are competing for labour as opposed to labour competing for jobs.

For example, CNA's working in a convalescent hospital take home $4000 a week here, after taxes. Not RNs. Not even LPNs. CNAs. The are working >16 hrs per day, but they are taking home $4000 per week. And there's tons of nursing homes and people willing to hire for comparable money.

Said CNAs are on the brink of quitting due to the hours. Not even that amount of money is good compensation up here.
You realize that illegal immigrants can only be CNAs in California​, right? Or did the laws change recently?
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Trump makes up fake terror attacks that occurred in Sweden (specifically, if I remember correctly, Stockholm) in order to justify an anti-immigration / anti-Muslim agenda.

ISIL has a definite interest in making sure that Trump's agenda seems legitimate to the American people. This, in turn, furthers their narrative that the West hates Muslims and the Middle East that they use for recruiting new members.

A fake terror attack would cast Trump's credibility into doubt (not that there is really anything to cast into doubt in the first place). This undermines his narrative and agenda, which is bad for ISIL.

ISIL commits a terror attack in Stockholm, Sweden.

Simple enough.
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You realize that illegal immigrants can only be CNAs in California​, right? Or did the laws change recently?
Quickie US immigration history lesson!

We've had two visa classifications specifically for nurses since the introduction of the most recent version of the INA, the H-1A and the H-1C. These categories were intended to deal with the significant lack of nurses throughout the US (a "nursing crisis" as it were). This visa category was numerically limited and also required the nurse in question not only have a relevant nursing degree, but also relevant state and local licenses. The H-1C was even more heavily restricted, limited to 500 visas annually, and had significantly more stringent requirements, as well as a limited number of hospitals (13) which could employ H-1C nurses. Both of these programs have since expired, and now nurses must apply for H-1Bs, though the requirement for a license still stands.

To answer your question - could a nurse work illegally in the US? It's possible, but not likely (discounting cases where a nurse lets his/her work authorization/status lapse). There's a significant amount of oversight put into all aspects of nursing and hiring someone who is not properly licensed puts any healthcare provider at significant legal risk. Most healthcare companies/hospitals/etc. are going to already be somewhat familiar with immigration and hiring procedures on some level (foreign doctors are often fairly well sought after so most hospitals with decent funding have probably hired on before) so it's not terribly likely that a legitimate operation will be hiring a proper RN illegally.

I can't really speak for home care professionals as that's not really the same thing, but I highly doubt there's a flood of illegally working nurses. If anything, there's a shortage of nurses altogether.
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Lo and Behold, Michigan and West Virginia supported Bernie in the primary and voted for Trump in the general. Trade is just about the only place Trump and Bernie agree. Bernie's an extremely pro clean energy candidate, in fact more so than Hillary.
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You're trying to compare Bernie vs. Trump when we're actually comparing Bernie vs. Hillary and Trump vs. Hillary. In both cases, Hillary (who was extremely vocal about green energy and climate change, not to mention stolidly anti-gun) was the salient factor, not her opponent. You said it yourself later on:

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Trump didn't win for being pro coal or anti immigrant. He won because he was anti trade and not Hillary Clinton. Clinton was an extremely weak and hated candidate who wouldn't have even had a chance in a general election against anyone other than Trump, and she couldn't even beat him because he was able to seize otherwise blue States by exploiting her weakness on trade.
Bernie also won by not being Hillary, but that's not to say that his position on coal had anything to do with it. Hillary made a lot of enemies by verbally attacking Republicans and mining companies. Sanders was not nearly as vocal or rude.

With Trump vs. Hillary, the difference was even more stark: Bernie was 51% of the WV democrat vote and Trump was 68%. Exit polls revealed that the economy was the #1 biggest issue in voters' minds in WV. Not the US economy, the WV economy. Hillary lost sight of that and got punished hard for it. Sure, women may make 77 cents on the dollar compared to men, but West Virginians are in an even worse position at 75 cents on the dollar compared to the average income in the US.

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In the rust belt, it's much less about green energy than you say. Automation and the trade deals are more important. Take Pennsylvania for example. There's only about 7500 mining jobs in PA. Even assuming they all have like-minded spouses, that's 15000 votes max for Trump. Roughly 6 million people voted in Pennsylvania. Hillary lost the state by about 60000 votes. The math for your argument just doesn't add up, especially when you factor in the thousands of votes Hillary likely received from enivrionmentally-conscious millennials who wouldn't have voted for her otherwise. No, what's much more reasonable than saying coal won Trump the Election is saying that places like Michigan and Pennsylvania went for Trump because their MANUFACTURING jobs have gone overseas. Trump's most reliable and repeated position throughout the campaign was that trade deals are terrible and need to be scrapped or fixed so people can have their jobs back.
Coal mining brings in a lot more jobs than that - you need food, housing, government, utilities, entertainment (alcohol??), schools, and infrastructure for the miners. Miners also buy cars and plants and nice things for their homes. It's a dangerous job with plenty of union involvement, so it pays really well and brings a lot of money to mining families. The mining businesses also make a lot of money which does actually get invested into the area - it's basically just as good as investing globally, only you see huge dividends in worker productivity and your local area is a lot nicer which attracts more people and more money which provides great return on investment and provides you with a stable source of labor esp. in a technological age where you need tech-savvy people to help you run your company. Hiring accountants, IT, managers, engineers, etc. locally is very good for your company both economically and in terms of public image.

The more I think about it the more clear it is how Trump was elected and what kind of problems we as a country actually face. It's not about race relations or sexism, it's about being able to support a healthy local economy in places that are heavily reliant on dirty energy.
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