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01-21-2017, 12:26 AM | #3302 |
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I feel like I'm seeing that there is a... frankly extremely concerning amount of laws being written that're setting about to make peaceful protests like highway blocking illegal. Especially one proposed in Indiana that would allow law enforcement to use "any means necessary" in order to break up protest gatherings.
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01-21-2017, 12:37 AM | #3303 |
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The any means necessary part is concerning, but ngl, I don't have an issue with bans on highway/interstate blocking protests. Unless you're protesting the infrastructure system of the US, there's usually a more direct way to protest whatever it is you're wanting to protest. Don't fuck over average joe's trying to get to work just because you're mad at, say the Governor. If you really feel like you have to protest him, then gathering enough people to protest in front of X state's capitol building shouldn't be too difficult, if you have enough people really dedicated to the protest.
Peaceful protest is great and all, but the protest part isn't the issue with highway blocking. It's just a dick move to everyone, not just to who or what you're protesting.
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01-21-2017, 12:48 AM | #3304 |
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Eh, I feel like "protest, but don't inconvenience anybody" is kind of a non-starter if you've paid any attention to protest movements throughout history. That said, there's a good chance that these "200 points to run over a longhair hippy" laws are just your standard red-meat showboating wank that state congressmen sometimes throw out to constituents who feel like anything that questions their view of the world must be beaten with a tire iron.
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Sit-ins are bad because they keep people from eating and disrupt businesses!
...like, protests can't just be placed in an empty field 12 miles away from everyone. If you can ignore a protest people honestly will. They all have to inconvenience somehow.
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Blocking the highway becomes a matter of life and death for ambulances and other vehicles carrying people in need of intensive medical care. There's "we threw your tea into the harbor" levels of protest and then there's "we cut your brakes" levels of protest. Blocking the highway leans a little too far to the brake-cutting for me.
This discussion, tangentially (though not too tangentially imo), gets into the whole messy affair of "terrorism as a means of communication." The whole idea of, "How could you blow up that bus stand!? They were innocent! My daughter was innocent and now she is dead!" and the reply of, "You wouldn't listen. We tried to tell you not to ___ but you wouldn't listen. So we were forced to make you listen." In that sense -- and in the sense relevant to the current discussion -- terrorism is an extreme form of protest. That's really what this boils down to in the end, then. Where do you draw the line between acceptable unacceptable forms of protest? If protest is sacrosanct, then no form of protest however extreme it may be can be branded as immoral. If that's an absurd notion, then one must draw the line somewhere -- one must declare what constitutes going one step too far in the quest to have one's voice heard, to have one's ailments addressed ... to, in a word, protest.
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Any form of protest where you get the broader public to be madder at you than the thing you're protesting is going to fail. If you block the highway, even if I sympathize with your cause, I'm going to be fucking pissed at you; especially if you're fucking up my commute.
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I'm not saying don't inconvenience anybody. I'm saying find a way to inconvenience whoever or whatever you're protesting to the highest degree you can without causing an inconvenience to the people who might sympathize with you otherwise.
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But let's add an additional case: school bus drivers go on strike to protest against unfair wages etc etc. Now, obviously, in this case, you're not just inconveniencing the bus company who employs you. But, I believe that people should have a right to go on strike, and this is a form of protest which is nowhere near as cut and dry. Do they have a method of protesting which maybe doesn't do that? Possibly, but its nowhere near as effective. No one is going to give you sympathy if you just get up the next morning and do your job (likewise, people won't give you sympathy if you don't, but that's the fucked up people we live with). Talon imo is the only one who brought a good reason to why highway protests shouldn't be allowed: they impede the ability of emergency services to respond to issues. This can be worked around, for example, informing law enforcement of said protest happening and having officers there in order to expedite emergency vehicles coming through.
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Generals Mattis and Kelly have been approved and sworn in for Defense and Homeland Security respectively. Two of Trump's more qualified and uncontroversial picks, and passed fairly easily without much opposition.
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Given that cabinet picks can no longer be filibustered (due to changes by the Democrats, IIRC), I'd put more of the blame on the former than the latter.
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01-21-2017, 04:18 PM | #3312 |
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Super excited to legally nudge protesters with my car wink wink
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Blocking off a highway is just a widespread inconvenience. It's not targeting a certain set of people or issue outside of people yelling the protest's slogan or holding signs, which can easily, and will easily, be ignored by the people responsible for whatever you're protesting. They'll call the protesters disturbers of the peace or whatnot, and people will feel inclined to agree given they had to drive an extra 30 minutes to get to work or something else of the sort. On the other hand, the protesters could go to the street in front of the capital building, or the front area of it, and protest there, making anyone working there have to go through a crowd of people just to get to work, inconveniencing the people who need to be inconvenienced for the protest to work. I admit we don't live in a world where protesters can only target who they need to, but they can at least strike the issue at its core, which I feel highway protests completely fail to do.
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Let's bring up your "surround the Capital building" example. What happens if you have a really big crowd? The turnout for the Women's Marches for example I believe was close to 200,000 in some places. You can't fit 200,000 protestors just around the Capital Building. You probably can't even fit then inside. So where are they going to go? Into the streets. You don't want to be on a sidewalk six blocks away. So, you'll take up the streets, often at the inconvenience of other motorists and businesses. 200,000 people in a city center is more disruptive than a highway protest. Should that not be allowed then, even if its targeting the "core audience"? Because its fucking over the average Joe who needs to get to work and the Mom and Pop businesses who no longer can take in customers? Things aren't cut and dry.
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With Graham and McCain coming out and saying they'll vote for him, Rex Tillerson is virtually confirmed for State. Rubio's still holding out, but we'll see how long that lasts.
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Really only sort of a joke. But when streets and bridges are blocked that don't have easy alternates (think the George Washington Bridge), yes, you should be punished physically for preventing people from getting where they need to go on public roads.
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I'm glad we're openly advocating for murder of protestors expressing their First Amendment rights, this will surely go well.
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Please be trolling Mozz, you're the only true conservative who ever posts in this thread. Some of our more closed-minded members already practically think conservatives are unilaterally immoral and disgusting as a rule. Don't reinforce those beliefs.
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Do you think it should be legal for white supremacists to form a human chain around a black neighborhood, blocking streets and sidewalks, as to prevent them from mixing with the white neighborhoods? Do you think those who prevent emergency vehicles from reaching hospitals or the sick should be punished if something happens due to their protesting? I'm not sure if you think these are silly suggestions or not, but the best way, IMO, to look at laws, is to see how the "other side"'s radicals could abuse it. If I had a pregnant wife and I was rushing her to the emergency room to give birth and the only way to the hospital was blocked by DAPL protestors, I would certainly do whatever I had to in order to get there.
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...Are you actually pretending that pushing through or stepping under a human chain is an equivalent to murdering protestors with your car?
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You don't have to murder them with your car, but there is a risk that it happens if you slowly push your car through. I don't think one should gun it through a crowd, but there needs to be some out here.
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A bit off-topic, but I found it amusing that the (conservative) Japanese government had no words on Trump, but that Youjo Senki has been the top seller on Amazon this season for anime and its six volumes now occupy 6 of the top 10 bestseller slots for all Japanese books this year.
Whether it be in prayer, in vote, or in choice of reading/watching material, it seems people across the globe want to see a new Adolf Hitler make his/her mark.
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2. We already have ways to handle "disruptive" protestors that don't involve empowering private citizens to play Carmageddon (like, say, police forces that are trained and accountable for their actions).
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Police seem to be pretty hands off with these types of protests and will not take action, but I might have some selection bias, and I'm willing to be shown otherwise.
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