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From reddit (minus appropriate links, because lazy, click link for all of these): UN Security Council has passed the new sanctions. NYTimes: New Sanctions Imposed on North Korea as it Warns of Pre-emptive Nuclear Attack Telegraph UK Video: North Korean Foreign Ministry spokesman, "Second Korean War is Unavoidable" (in Korean with English subtitles) Fox News: North Korea vows nuclear attack on US, saying Washington will be 'engulfed in a sea of fire' RT: NKorea Foreign Ministry spokesman, "Since the United States is about to ignite a nuclear war, we will be exercising our right to a preemptive nuclear attack against the headquarters of the aggressor in order to protect our supreme interest." NYTimes: North Korea Threatens to Attack U.S. With ‘Lighter and Smaller Nukes’ NYTimes: NKorea warns pre-emptive attack; UN sanctions will be an "act of war" AP: Furious over sanctions, North Korea vows to to nuke US Reuters: North Korea says to exercise right to preemptive nuclear attack against U.S. Reuters: North Korea to start state-wide military drills BBC: North Korea holds drills while UN Security Council set to vote on tougher sanctions today (Thursday) NYTimes (yesterday): South Korea pushes back, "hinting at an attack on North Korean headquarters" The proposed sanctions North Korea called an "act of war" (summarized from here ), which the Security Council passed a few hours later: Ban on exporting luxury goods to North Korea (intended to target goods used by North Korea's elite) Freeze on all North Korean money thought to be connected to missile programs Ban on financial support for anything related to missile programs Travel sanctions that would effectively force out all expats working for North Korean ventures All North Korean cargo must be inspected 3 arms dealers and 2 international organizations have been specifically targeted and sanctioned Infograph: Spoiler: show So... what do? I'm of the opinion that if you threaten to fucking nuke someone, you need to be punched in the face at the very least, even if you are a whiny, entitled, bratty child. Sanctions aren't going to do shit. Last edited by deoxys; 03-07-2013 at 02:37 PM. |
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I will reserve further comment than what follows until we learn more in the coming days. Suffice to say for now, while excerpts such as this do sound pretty damn worrisome:
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Still, some of the other translations sure do make it sound like the shit may have finally hit and clogged up the fan. Anyway, I can't really say anything more than this until we find out more over the coming days or weeks. Like your sources say, this could just be another case of boastful rhetoric, or it could be a hit-you-over-the-head-with-a-club obvious declaration of war. One would think it's mostly hollow rhetoric when the Koreans haven't demonstrated the capability to strike targets in North America using long-range ballistic missiles ... but that's probably little comfort to South Korea or to Japan.
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Right, a lot of people (myself included) are obviously worried about the US being hit, and even if they are nukes with the blast radius of a few city blocks, they're still damn nukes at the end of the day. However, as you said, South Korea and Japan are the ones to be a lot more worried about considering they're only a stone's throw away. They basically have a gun pointed at Seoul's head, and even if they attacked them with mini-nukes, that would still be devastating.
What the fuck is NK thinking? Is it, like you say, perhaps some really stupid roundabout way of trying to puff their chest and make them look like a world power? |
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That is NK's interpretation of the military things we have been doing in SK. A wrong interpretation(and they probably know it too), but one that gives reason to......well, no but you get the point.
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From what I understand, they only just, in the last decade, achieved the ability to precision-strike Toyko. (The ability to reach as far east as Tokyo, but not with any degree of precision, was achieved in the 1990s, from what I can find online. I can't seem to find any evidence of them being able to precision-strike Tokyo, though I could've sworn I heard this in the mid-to-late 2000s.) So in terms of their practical ability to strike North American cities, it's probably very close to 0%. Quote:
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I'm well aware of how loudly they have screamed and shouted the past two decades, but this time seems so much... more serious. Especially given that they have been make more threats the past few months than usual, combined with their leaked propo video with the Modern Warfare 3 footage and the nucler test a few weeks ago.
And yeah, while they don't have the most accurate history, but you're right, they basically have Japan and SK hostage. |
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The regime change is the thing here. Chubby-chan needs to toss his weight around to prove to the OG that he's a big deal.
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I wouldn't worry too much at this point in time, especially if you aren't living in South East Asia.
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Oh man. This is so going to ruin GSL Season 2.
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Chubby-chan should stop watching anime and realize he left the oven on!
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The emphatic answer to that question is, "YES!"
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Ahahahaha dammit Tdos you keep winning threads.
I think Kuno's on the money, considering the regime change. That said, if NK did try to attack any of its neighbors, they would be pulverized quickly, especially since China is becoming disillusioned with them. |
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North Korea should quite honestly be liberated from the nation-wide Auschwitz-esque conditions a lot of its citizens live in, the citizens up north should be reunited with their separated families in the south, and Korea should become one nation again.
But hey, pigs can't fly unless you throw bacon out the window. Last edited by deoxys; 03-08-2013 at 02:27 AM. |
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I didn't suggest war, though I suppose it would be necessary for liberation to occur... meh. I don't want a war either. I hate war.
I was only trying to state that the people should be liberated. I was reading about the living conditions there from NK refugees who managed to escape out of the country. Their accounts of what it was like were horrifying, complete with sketched depictions and told stories of first hand accounts of what they saw. Warning: The following links are potentially scarring / NSFW / NSFL (Not Safe For Life), viewer discretion advised Spoiler: show Last edited by deoxys; 03-08-2013 at 03:49 AM. |
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Most of the norths Seoul arsenal isn't even able to hit Seoul city center maybe the outskirts but that's it. But this point is moot since the USA wouldn't nuke north Korea unless they nuked the south or something, out we wish top ensue international sanctions and becoming even more of an international pariah
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Beginning to think this might be a better discussion for the debate forum, I dunno. |
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However, I think your observations concerning the frequency and intensity of rhetoric over the last couple months isn't really a debate issue, more a "yes yes I see that, good point deoxys, it confirmed what I was thinking *brofist*" moment. |
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