09-07-2016, 12:16 AM | #176 |
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The Pokemon Tower is freaking annoying when you can't outspeed Gastly or Haunter.
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09-12-2016, 03:56 PM | #177 |
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So I don't have Surf yet, what's the best area for me to go to to grind out training in lieu of that? I don't have all the badges yet - I skipped Vermillion and Celadon to train my lesser Pokemon - but I really want to pump my runningback Nidoking so I don't have to focus on him again. #2 Thunder or Thunderbolt? Nidoking can learn either, but I'm getting worried about my PP/accuracy issues. I already have Ice Beam (10 PP), Earthquake (10 PP), and Body Slam (21 pp, +2). There aren't many PP Up left in the game, so rather than boost my STAB or the very versatile Ice Beam I opted for Body Slam's neutral damage and +3 PPs. Thunder is the stronger attack with the higher chance of paralysis, but my team is pretty good at spreading paralysis anyway and that 10 PP seems threatening when it comes to leveling up Nidoking or sweeping. #3 Venusaur set I considered Missingno's advice but I felt like Toxic/Leech Seed might be too slow for my team and it's an odd mix on what I currently have: Raichu: Support Hypno: Support/Attacker Nidoking: All-Out Attacker I've got two options I guess, Sweeper/Stall: Sleep Powder Swords Dance Hyper Beam Razor Leaf or Sleep Powder Leech Seed Toxic Rest I haven't found an opponent that was too powerful for me to rely on the Toxic/Leech Seed glitch. But I have ample opportunity to Swords Dance Venusaur to +6 and sweep with Hyper Beams. I don't have any other sweepers at the moment, aside from Nidoking.
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09-12-2016, 03:58 PM | #178 |
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I would much prefer using the sweeper set.
Since Hyper Beam is the best move ever!!!
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09-13-2016, 09:26 AM | #179 |
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I only just learned that Thrash is a very rare move in RBY, only six Pokemon learn it and one is Nidoking. None of the others are available early in game - the soonest would be Cubone in Lavender Town.
Thrash's virtues then could be missed, since it appears too late for most players to recognize it. But with Nidoking I was able to sweep almost every trainer I've faced with that move. If they have 4 Pokemon, I can KO all of them with just a single Thrash, which made long grinds much easier. That 20 PP you start off with is more like 80 PP. It's pretty crazy how broken Nidoking is in Blue, especially early. I remember my second playthrough of Red, I hacked in a Dratini as my Level 5 Pokemon, and was amazed at how broken Wrap seemed to the low-level wilds around Pallet. Nidoking with Thrash is like that, but legal. I just wish there were stronger Pokemon around because I'm still ripping apart everything.
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Is it broken though? It doesn't learn a great deal else, Poison is a crap offence and its stats are garbage.
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09-13-2016, 11:56 AM | #181 |
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If you knock out the target, do you still get recoil from Double Edge?
Having given Body Slam to Nidoking, I think the Swords Dance-Hyper Beam combo bit is a bit overkill for Venusaur. Hyper Beam kills almost anything normally, but I need more PP's.
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He's OU in later generations. What holds back Nidoking in RBY seems to be the defensive typing, making it weak to the omnipresent Ice Beam and Psychic - Gengar is the only poison type capable of handling RBY OU, because it's so fast and versatile. Admittedly, Sabrina's Alakazam managed to 1HKO a weakened version of Nidoking despite a level disadvantage, so it's a fair weakness. By which I mean, I Thrashed all of Sabrina's other Pokemon, took recoil from the confusion, and that weakened Nidoking enough to get into 1HKO territory. Nidoking's stats aren't super great, but because of his impressive learn-set, which is comparable to Dragonite, he can make up for his weaknesses with super effective special moves in Generation 1: -Thunderbolt/Thunder kill all Water types and most Ice types (which are dual-typed with Water). Nidoking outspeeds all Water types except Starmie and Tentacruel. -Diglett/Dugtrio are the only faster Ground type tree and Nidoking can 1HKO them with Ice Beam after taking an Earthquake. -Earthquake inflicts massive destruction to anything with a weak special or is weak to it In my Blue playthrough, he's definitely OP early game. Misty is a threat type-wise but since she's an early gym leader, her Pokemon are easy to out-level, so the type disadvantage isn't as much an issue. Thrash doesn't give the opponent a chance to respond, and since Nidoking is a poison-type I never have to worry about being poisoned by the random stuff out there. I walked through everything from Vermillion on without any real threat, except for the Saffron Gym, which I was still able to solo with Nidoking in the high 50's. I'm worried about the Elite Four, but we'll see how that goes. Note too that I raised Nidoking from Level 16, so he's been leveling up as a third evolution Pokemon for quite some time now. I maxed out all his EVs by the time I hit Lavender Town.
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It has a vast special movepool, good mixed offensive stats, and is a very solid Ground-type.
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I did mean natural lesrnset, poison is still dead weight and they're ok. But if it works it works!
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09-14-2016, 06:04 AM | #185 |
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Poison is undecidedly crap beyond very-early game but
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I dunno, I kinda enjoy using Weezing in-game in Generation I. I don't even wait for Cinnabar Island half the time- sometimes I use the Mew Glitch to get a Koffing early and train that up. As long as I keep it the hell away from the Psychic-types (and the Ground-types to a lesser extent, even though Ground moves are less of a concern in-game in general), it usually does pretty well. I could very well be biased, though, considering what my favorite Pokémon is.
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09-14-2016, 09:47 AM | #187 |
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The issue with Poison is mostly to do with Poison's strongest move being Sludge.
Weezing is pretty cool though, although its biggest perk is the ability to go boom.
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09-18-2016, 11:52 AM | #188 |
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My data got corrupted so I had to replay the game from a much earlier slot. And re-train everything.
Current team: Hypno, Venusaur, Poliwrath, Nidoking Poliwrath's set: Amnesia Surf Rest Hypnosis I need Submission, should I take out Hypnosis or Rest for Submission? Rest undoes the damage from Submission but Hypnosis lets Poliwrath setup by himself. Nidoking exempted, the other members of my team are geared toward spreading status: Venusaur: Sleep Powder Toxic Leech Seed Razor Leaf Hypno: Thunder Wave Hypnosis Dream Eater Psychic Both Venusaur+Hypno have recovery + status. Poliwrath is the odd man out but he serves a different role as a wall/special sweeper. Suggestions?
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09-18-2016, 12:20 PM | #189 |
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Rest probably isn't needed as much in game because if Potions and stuff.
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09-18-2016, 12:54 PM | #190 |
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I don't use potions or other items for battles.
It's crazy Dragonite doesn't learn Fly. That denies it a STAB move and it's a real pain because getting a x4 HM mule in Gen 1 seems impossible. It looks like Charizard, who I don't have, is the best option for that. Dragonite Strength Surf Fire Blast Hyper Beam HMs and different coverage from Nidoking. Boy, lack of Fly bites hard.
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Charizard doesn't learn Fly until Pokémon Yellow anyway. Aren't you playing Red/Blue? If that's the case, then don't feel too bad about not having a Charizard HM slave. (Not that I could ever imagine relegating a Charizard to nothing but HM duty ... >_<)
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If you're not adverse to making use of glitches, you could catch an 'M. It learns Cut and Fly, and has access to Surf and Strength once evolved into Kangaskhan. This would have to wait until Cinnabar Island, of course, but considering your original plan called for a Dragonite, I get the feeling you're patient in that regard. Just don't catch a level 0 'M unless you have room in your party for it- trying to withdraw a level 0 'M from the PC will freeze the game.
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09-18-2016, 01:26 PM | #193 | |
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I won't use glitches exactly, but like in my Baldur's Gate days I will use things that bend the rules if there's a narrative reason for said rule. Like, I used the Poke Doll on Marowak's Ghost so I could fight Koga and explore the rest of the game without having to to do the Team Rocket grind quests. Silph Co. is really a pain in the arse.
Marowak's Ghost, like the Snorlaxes, are effectively plot devices to force doing the subplots, and having done them in this Blue playthrough already I don't care to give it another shot. Toxic/Leech Seed are similar. It very well could have been a coding glitch, but you never know if that was intended. Poke Dolls on Marowak's Ghost likewise might not have been unintended (since, you still need to beat Team Rocket and Giovanni twice to open up Viridian). Quote:
It's not like the Venusaur-Hypno-Nidoking galaxy trio need any help anyway. Nidoking by himself has already, basically, solo'd the game. IIRC, in Gen V wasn't it possible to inflict multiple status effects? It's a pain to be unable to use Toxic with sleep-inducing moves.
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09-18-2016, 01:31 PM | #194 |
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You've never been able to stack status effects.
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09-18-2016, 02:03 PM | #195 |
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Counterpoint: Even in Generation I, you can inflict Confusion alongside the other status effects. Although Confusion is apparently not counted as a bona fide status effect, since the status bar doesn't change once it's applied.
I realize now Rhydon can wall me if I get rid of Razor Leaf. I was considering this set for Venusaur: Swords Dance Toxic Leech Seed Hyper Beam But I can't really kill off a Rhydon if I get rid of Razor Leaf. A +6 Hyper Beam isn't enough to kill off Rhydon, and he will 2HKO Venusaur. I'd have to switch in to Poliwrath or Hypno to combat at Rhydon. Sooo... Swords Dance Toxic Hyper Beam Razor Leaf Does the Leech Seed actually increase the Toxic damage, or does Toxic only increase the HP recovery of Leech Seed?
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Toxic's damage is increased, along with Leech Seeds.
Also I don't think any of the Rhydon's run anything of note so you can feasibly stall them out. Confusion is weird and they have different terms for poison / paralysis than they do for confusion / infatuation
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Yeah, confusion isn't considered to be a major status ailment like poison, paralysis, burn, sleep, or freeze. Those five are the ones that can't be stacked- anything that automatically wears off after switching out, like confusion, Leech Seed, Attract, those are the ones that can be stacked.
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Hyper Beam Toxic Leech Seed Razor Leaf Because boosting Hyper Beam with Swords Dance (an otherwise useless move except to boost the 5 PP Hyper Beam) is accomplished just as well by vaporizing the opponent's HP with Toxic/Leech Seed. That damage puts the opponent in Hyper Beam's kill range. ... Believe it or not, this is the first time I've actually played Pokemon as a team-orieinted game. I think most players do things like me and pump either their starter or whatever pseudo-legendary they catch to obscene power levels and just force through the game with 1HKOs. When I was younger, it wasn't uncommon for me to win primarily on power sets with the starter and/or Dragonite, legendaries or other strong Pokemon. This play-through is unique in that, by not pumping one Pokemon the battles are more challenging and fun, since I don't have quite the level advantage I would in previous runs. In most of my prior RBY games, Dragonite, Charizard or Venusaur would be in the high 90's and would solo the Elite Four and champion. I'd use a bunch of items or hack in stuff to make it easier. I didn't care for the tactical challenge so much as the accomplishment of being called the best. Of course, this mentality changed when I played Baldur's Gate, but I think my first play of Blue happened before I got BG. BG was all about challenging tougher opponents with tricks and teamwork, and while limited this is somewhat similar.
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What should I use my PP Ups on, Earthquake or Thunderbolt?
If I use all three on one, I get 16 PP Earthquake and 21 for Thunderbolt. Earthquake is my STAB move.
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09-29-2016, 10:47 AM | #200 |
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For fun, I hunted down one of the Cerulean Cave Ditto, had it transform into Nidoking, and fought it with the rest of my team.
I got wrecked! Only until the Ditto fought the real Nidoking and repeatedly used Thunderbolt for some odd reason (Nidoking could only use Struggle) did I actually win. All other five Pokemon were OHKO'd by the super effective moves. I was seriously impressed, but I wonder if the game was just randomly picking moves.
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