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Old 12-30-2012, 09:41 PM   #176
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I thought you were supposed to lead with any form of entry hazard?
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I thought you were supposed to lead with any form of entry hazard?
Not really. Leads are dead man. The only time this happens is in HO teams, which are wrecked by this.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:43 PM   #178
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Not really. Leads are dead man. The only time this happens is in HO teams, which are wrecked by this.
;; Aw man and I was just starting to feel all cool and participatory. What's HO?
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:44 PM   #179
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;; Aw man and I was just starting to feel all cool and participatory. What's HO?
HyperOffense.

Deoxys-D, Gengar, and Starmie are usually found on this team.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:48 PM   #180
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Don't you mean Deoxys-A or -S? Or regular?
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Don't you mean Deoxys-A or -S? Or regular?
They are all banned from OU. Deo-S used to be the standard, but that got banned a few months ago. Now Deo-D is the one most commonly used.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:49 PM   #182
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Don't you mean Deoxys-A or -S? Or regular?
Nope. All of those are Ubers. Only Deoxys-D is OU.

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They are all banned from OU. Deo-S used to be the standard, but that got banned a few months ago. Now Deo-D is the one most commonly used.
That was banned for more than a couple of months. It was banned before B2W2, that is for sure.
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Ahhhhh I forgot that Deoxy-D still had ok attacking stats: I thought they were something like 20 or 50, not 70.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:52 PM   #184
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Ahhhhh I forgot that Deoxy-D still had ok attacking stats: I thought they were something like 20 or 50, not 70.
This is the entire reason I want to try a Nasty Plot sweeper set.
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Old 12-31-2012, 12:59 AM   #185
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A battle I had with someone on PS(long die PO!)

And....what? Is this guy serious? He has a Liepard, Whimsicott, Murkrow, and Sabelye, but does not know what Prankster is. (I know he isn't, but it is good for a laugh.)

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Old 01-26-2013, 07:38 PM   #186
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NECRO ENCHANTO!!!!

http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/uu8553440

A quite fun UU battle. This team has worked well and securing the victory was awesome. I was so scared that Sucker Punch was going to fail horribly.
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Old 01-29-2013, 04:42 PM   #187
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not mine but omg i lol'd

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Old 01-29-2013, 05:35 PM   #188
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Copycat + Roar Riolu is hardly news, and is hardly unbeatable. It only worked this time becuase of the lack of Protect or Extremespeed.

A nice sweep, but hardly news. Now, the Truant + Arena Trap sweep was lol worthy.
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:09 AM   #189
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Copycat + Roar Riolu is hardly news, and is hardly unbeatable. It only worked this time becuase of the lack of Protect or Extremespeed.
True enough, but not every team has priority, especially in NU. Looks like that player had a bunch of other cheap-ass strategies in his team as well, like FEAR Rattata.

I get that these things will usually 'guarantee' you a win against someone who isn't prepared for them, but if you're willing to waste forty rounds' worth of your and your opponent's time just to press an 'I win' button, you're not really playing for fun any more.
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And the round starts off with both Pokemon pulling out a Monopoly Board and.. it seems to work! Relicanth starts things off by picking the Tophat. Vulpix seems to be upset, as he coveted that piece. Luckily for him he does just that! Vulpix uses Covet and gets to play with the Tophat piece. Relicanth looks quite upset by these turn of events, and decides to use the Car instead!

The round continues with Relicanth landing on Central Avenue! He decides to purchase the property.. it's super effective! Vulpix instead decides to use Imprison! Suddenly Relicanth finds himself in jail! What an exciting twist! The round ends with Relicanth unable to do anything else at the moment.


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Old 01-30-2013, 07:26 AM   #190
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True enough, but not every team has priority, especially in NU. Looks like that player had a bunch of other cheap-ass strategies in his team as well, like FEAR Rattata.

I get that these things will usually 'guarantee' you a win against someone who isn't prepared for them, but if you're willing to waste forty rounds' worth of your and your opponent's time just to press an 'I win' button, you're not really playing for fun any more.
You would be surprised. Most teams have Alomomola, which always run Protect.
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:13 AM   #191
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True enough, but not every team has priority, especially in NU. Looks like that player had a bunch of other cheap-ass strategies in his team as well, like FEAR Rattata.

I get that these things will usually 'guarantee' you a win against someone who isn't prepared for them, but if you're willing to waste forty rounds' worth of your and your opponent's time just to press an 'I win' button, you're not really playing for fun any more.
It's a troll team so it's not like he's really looking to legitimately win. Just screw with people.
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Old 02-01-2013, 06:47 PM   #192
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I was playing NU today, since PO generally is not too stupid, and I find this out:

On PO, Bisharp is NU.

Pokemon Online for worst meta ever. That is just ridiculous. Bisharp is a better Absol!
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Old 02-01-2013, 08:04 PM   #193
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Absol isn't 4x weak to Fighting. Considering that Gen 5 meta is to Fighting what Gen 2 meta was to Fire and Ground, I can see why this 4x weakness would be considered crippling for Bisharp. To hear Smogon tell it,
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Unfortunately for you, Smogon is not God and as proof of this we have the above: a childish fanboy handjob for Bisharp's pointy member, one which completely chooses to ignore the fact that, um, No Guard Cross Chop Machamp (UU), Togekiss w/ Aura Sphere (UU), and one-quarter of UU all-stars eligible to learn Drain Punch or Substitute + Focus Punch are in fact actually things. (He does mention in Paragraph 2 Bisharp's three weaknesses, but he downplays the seriousness of that 4x Fighting weakness by not even mentioning the things I have.)

Not saying Bisharp can't be fun btw. Just saying:
1) Not at all surprised P-O argues he's NU, and not for the reason you suspect
2) Just because Smogon says something is or is not a particular tier doesn't make it right and certainly doesn't make it competitively super-viable in that tier. Smogon's tiering is and has always been based upon percent usages, not perceived viability.

That stated, I appreciate what you're going for (or what I suspect you're going for), which is that Bisharp in NU is fucking overpowered because Jesus H. Christ lolololololol Bisharp sets up and sweeps so, so easily without the muscle seen in UU and higher. So yes, there is that too. Bisharp: too good for NU, too screwed by his 4x weakness to do shit in UU.
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Old 02-02-2013, 07:52 AM   #194
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Absol isn't 4x weak to Fighting. Considering that Gen 5 meta is to Fighting what Gen 2 meta was to Fire and Ground, I can see why this 4x weakness would be considered crippling for Bisharp. To hear Smogon tell it,

Unfortunately for you, Smogon is not God and as proof of this we have the above: a childish fanboy handjob for Bisharp's pointy member, one which completely chooses to ignore the fact that, um, No Guard Cross Chop Machamp (UU), Togekiss w/ Aura Sphere (UU), and one-quarter of UU all-stars eligible to learn Drain Punch or Substitute + Focus Punch are in fact actually things. (He does mention in Paragraph 2 Bisharp's three weaknesses, but he downplays the seriousness of that 4x Fighting weakness by not even mentioning the things I have.)

Not saying Bisharp can't be fun btw. Just saying:
1) Not at all surprised P-O argues he's NU, and not for the reason you suspect
2) Just because Smogon says something is or is not a particular tier doesn't make it right and certainly doesn't make it competitively super-viable in that tier. Smogon's tiering is and has always been based upon percent usages, not perceived viability.

That stated, I appreciate what you're going for (or what I suspect you're going for), which is that Bisharp in NU is fucking overpowered because Jesus H. Christ lolololololol Bisharp sets up and sweeps so, so easily without the muscle seen in UU and higher. So yes, there is that too. Bisharp: too good for NU, too screwed by his 4x weakness to do shit in UU.
Yeah, Bisharp is pretty overpowered in NU. Absol get kicked out on both PS and PO, so that should say something. But! Absol and Bisharp both die to Fighting moves just as easily. The Steel typing does wonders for Bisharp(I used it in OU to counter the Latis.)

And no, you would be wrong about that. Amoonguss was #4 in NU, but it was bumped up and not #3(that may have been Absol though). Tornadus-T was #21, but it got bumped to Ubers. Smogon does viability as well.
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Old 02-02-2013, 03:19 PM   #195
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Bisharp is actually pretty decent. He's resistant to basically everything except Ground, Fire, and Fighting, and it's painfully obvious when those things are coming - not only that, but Jellicent is resistant to all three.
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Fun fact: I used to run a Bisharp pretty successfully on a UU team.
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Bisharp is actually pretty decent. He's resistant to basically everything except Ground, Fire, and Fighting, and it's painfully obvious when those things are coming - not only that, but Jellicent is resistant to all three.
Yes but so are Forretress, Escavalier, Wormadam, Scizor, ... typing alone doesn't make him great. Stats help (see Wormadam's awfulness) but he's also gotta worry about being outclassed (see Scizor). Most OU and UU teams aren't going to prefer Bisharp over better Steel-types.
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Yes but so are Forretress, Escavalier, Wormadam, Scizor, ... typing alone doesn't make him great. Stats help (see Wormadam's awfulness) but he's also gotta worry about being outclassed (see Scizor). Most OU and UU teams aren't going to prefer Bisharp over better Steel-types.
Escavalier is worse than Bisharp. Forretress is defensive(and not offensive in the slightest), Wormadam is shit. Scizor is the only contender on that list, and Bisharp has many qualities than stand out. A STAB Sucker Punch and STAB Pursuit, Thunder Wave, and is great for countering the Lati twins, Celebi, and Gengar, all of whom pack HP Fire for taking out Scizor(but not Bisharp :P).
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Err.
Blaze, you realize you basically elaborated on what Talon stated, right?

Also, HP Fire still packs a punch on Bisharp. You're right that those you listed can't KO him at +0, though. Actually, the interesting thing of what you said is that it would seem that running both Bisharp and Scizor wouldn't be a totally bad idea.
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I told you guys Bisharp was good.

Well, I got a Pawniard, but the result is the same. Pawniard scoring every KO in the game.

http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/repla...battle10769161
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