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Old 11-14-2013, 12:54 PM   #251
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> Dedenne doesn't get any Fairy STAB bar Play Rough
> Gets no STAB from breeding

What the literal fuck?
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:57 PM   #252
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Were you expecting a Pikaclone to be useful?
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Old 11-14-2013, 07:52 PM   #253
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Most Pikaclones have the movepool to suit their concept, they just don't have good enough stats to execute that concept well enough.

But Dedenne? They're a special sweeper and their only Fairy STAB is physical. Wat.
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Old 11-14-2013, 10:42 PM   #254
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Ampharos is best Pika clone. It's even better than the original!

Well so is Emolga.
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Old 11-14-2013, 10:49 PM   #255
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So my friend and I were battling, he of course pulls a team of Blaziken/Mewtwo/Zygarde/Blastoise/Chesnaught/Yvetal on me, and my team was Delphox/Dedenne/Aurorus/Protean!Greninja/Venusaur/Noivern, and he has a severely weakened Zygarde cause sash and Aurorus, and a Yvetal, and I kill Zygarde, send out Dedenne to be a death fodder against Yvetal, and it fucking walls the thing like a boss. I just go Nuzzle->Parabolic Charge/T-Bolt, and easily take it down.

Great typing, just poor movepool. But needless to say, I won with Noivern and Dedenne surviving. Delphox took down Blaziken cause it outspeeds, Aurorus took on Zygarde and nearly killed Blastoise, Venusaur took on Blastoise but was quickly finished by Mewtwo, who then also dealt with Delphox. Greninja takes down Mewtwo, nearly takes down Chesnaught but falls to ES Zygarde, and the rest is history.
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:44 AM   #256
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Most Pikaclones have the movepool to suit their concept, they just don't have good enough stats to execute that concept well enough.

But Dedenne? They're a special sweeper and their only Fairy STAB is physical. Wat.
Not all Pokemon are exactly designed to function as you would expect them to.
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:47 AM   #257
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Not all Pokemon are exactly designed to function as you would expect them to.
True, but we can generally figure out what they are supposed to be doing based on their stats.

GF is just retarded with movepools.
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Old 11-25-2013, 09:12 AM   #258
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True, but we can generally figure out what they are supposed to be doing based on their stats.

GF is just retarded with movepools.
And sometimes abilities.
Case in Point: Moxie Pyroar
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Moxie Pyroar is one of the funniest things to happen since Defiant Thundurus and Limber Stunfisk.
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Moxie Pyroar is one of the funniest things to happen since Defiant Thundurus and Limber Stunfisk.
And lest we forget the brilliance that is Rotom-Fan with Levitate. Holding an Air Balloon and under the effects of Telekinesis.
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Old 11-25-2013, 05:59 PM   #261
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I think you mean Magnet Rise.

Yeah, some abilities are just there for flavour. ;^_^
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And at least Flareon finally received Flare Blitz this Generation...
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Old 11-26-2013, 01:19 PM   #263
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True that, blaze came up with a rather witty set using it.
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Old 11-28-2013, 02:29 PM   #264
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True that, blaze came up with a rather witty set using it.
It is a pity Flareon is so slow, preventing it from becoming a sweeper, and recoil prevents it from being a tank.

Flare Blitz has been very welcome for Flareon, but there still remain Pokemon that now outclass it. Talonflame, for example, is probably better, due to Gale Wings, which is an astonishingly good Ability. It is hindered by a huge weakness to Stealth Rock, but Volcarona also remained Overused despite Stealth Rock, after all.

In fact, Volcarona may actually fall due to Talonflame.
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Old 11-28-2013, 02:35 PM   #265
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In fact, Volcarona may actually fall due to Talonflame.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

please, i can't, please

If OU can keep shit like Jolteon when they have Rotom-W, they will keep Volcarona. It's about 100 times more versatile than Talonflame. Oh, and if Talonflame doesn't run LO, Volcarona wins 1 on 1.
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Well, I think Volcarona will stay in OU, and I think Talonflame will also be OU despite the Stealth Rock weakness. It's just too freaking useful and priority roost can undo any SR damage if you can force a switch.

And that said, Flareon will never be in the same tier as those 2, it was NU and will probably stay there. So I don't think Flareon will have much to fear from Talonflame in regard of outclassing it within it's tier.
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Lots of things also hit harder than Talonflame. That isn't to say that Talinflame is weak, but dedicated walls can easily stop it.
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Old 12-08-2013, 10:47 AM   #268
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Lots of things also hit harder than Talonflame. That isn't to say that Talinflame is weak, but dedicated walls can easily stop it.
Priority Roost, Swords Dance, Flare Blitz and priority Brave Bird more than make up for Talonflame's average stats besides Speed and even the Stealth Rock weakness. Checks for Talonflame are few and far between. Anything that is not a check will surely take massive damage. Unless you have Rotom-W, a bulky Rock Type or some other actual check, you are in for a dangerous time.

Besides, Talonflame has partners. Starmie and Excadrill are both very good for dealing with Talonflame's checks, especially the latter, which can even deal with Rotom-W due to Mold Breaker, provided it switches in safely and Rotom-W does not have a Choice Scarf. With so many new powerhouses this generation, Rotom-W's typing is pretty much the only thing it has going for it, besides fairly bulky Volt Switching.

Talonflame is also an excellent partner for Mega Kangaskhan, who dislikes faster Fighting Types, which Talonflame can easily counter. Furthermore, Mega Kangaskhan easily sets up on most Rock Types with Power-Up Punch.

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If OU can keep shit like Jolteon when they have Rotom-W, they will keep Volcarona. It's about 100 times more versatile than Talonflame. Oh, and if Talonflame doesn't run LO, Volcarona wins 1 on 1.
Jolteon has incredible Speed without any assistance like Choice Scarf, along with good Special Attack. It is not necessarily outclassed by Rotom-W. Under its typing, Rotom-W hides very low HP. Jolteon has the potential to Baton Pass, along with dealing with things like Keldeo. (Talking about Generation V, as Jolteon has not been tested yet in Generation VI.) Rotom-W and Jolteon share the Electric Typing and Volt Switch, but the latter functions very differently, so the former does not outclass it.

Talonflame is incredibly popular. The tiers are highly influenced by usage, and Talonflame's presence shall most definitely be another threat to Volcarona.

You say Volcarona beats Talonflame one on one if it lacks Life Orb? Think again.

252 Attack EVs Talonflame's Brave Bird with Leftovers Vs. 252 HP EVs / 252 Defense EVs Volcarona = OHKO.

And since Talonflame has no reason to not run maximum Attack EVs, Talonflame shall always beat Volcarona. Volcarona's fall is not about being outclassed by Talonflame. It is about the fact that Talonflame is so popular that Volcarona can no longer remain anywhere as viable due to Talonflame's offensive presence.

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252 Atk Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Volcarona: 270-318 (72.1 - 85%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

0 SpA Volcarona Hidden Power Rock vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame: 304-360 (102.3 - 121.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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Are Volcaronas so afraid of Talonflame now that they use a slot to run HP Rock?
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Are Volcaronas so afraid of Talonflame now that they use a slot to run HP Rock?
Well they don't need to run giga Drain or HP Ground anymore so yeah
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Cool, means my Talonflame will score a OHKO against Volcarona, which I know already but okay :P

252+ Atk Life Orb Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Volcarona: 385-455 (102.9 - 121.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

But yeah, Talon needs to run an offensive item and adamant to have a guaranteed OKHO on Bulk Volca.

Here, see what LO Jolly nature does:
252 Atk Life Orb Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Volcarona: 351-413 (93.8 - 110.4%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
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Who runs Jolly nature on Talonflame when it has priority Brave Bird?
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Jolly lets you outspeed Modest jolteon. Which are somewhat common.
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Jolly lets you outspeed Modest jolteon. Which are somewhat common.
Not really. Jolteon is not as viable a Pokemon now in Generation VI anymore, with so many hard hitters running around, especially Excadrill, whose huge HP allows it to take a hit from Jolteon and usually OHKO back if the latter does not have Air Balloon. Even if it does, Excadrill still stands a high chance of winning, due to the Hidden Power nerf. I have personally never encountered one in Generation VI. Besides, it can be dealt with incredibly easily by a wide array of Pokemon.

Besides, with a Pokemon such as Talonflame, Jolly is a waste. If someone does have Jolly and maximum Speed, they shall most likely run an offensive item, leading to having over a 60% chance to OHKO Volcarona. They shall only run Leftovers or something if they use Adamant, as then they can invest more EVs to make Talonflame a little bulkier.

At least that is what a person in their right mind would do.

Besides, I doubt Bulky Volcarona is common enough to make Volcarona stand any chance.

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Did you calculate those manually? If yes, what is the mathematical expression?

If not, where is the special Pokemon damage calculator?
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