02-09-2014, 11:34 AM | #1201 |
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Great job Phoopes! I can only hope that at some point I'll make it into the top 500
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02-09-2014, 12:10 PM | #1202 |
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Hey, congrats!
Right now I'm hovering right below the Top 50. Current Elo score is 1772, with a W:L:T ratio of 42:9:0 and a GXE of 83. That places me at 53rd place on the current leaderboard. I'd like to make Top 20, but we'll see. It's not an easy feat to accomplish, which was all the more reason I was happy for Daisy to see that she had managed it. Question for your bosses: since the server already groups every one of a person's alts together (as evidenced by the fact that when you ban a user you can ban all of his other alts as well), why not retool the ladder such that it will only report the alt with the currently-highest score? I think this would be a great idea, and if you guys are already implementing it, then cool. But I was just thinking to myself the other day how the "Top 50" is realistically more like the Top 30 because a good chunk of the names you find in the Top 50 are bound to be alts of the same person, e.g. 5th place is also 9th place is also 37th place, just different names. So instead of littering the leaderboard with different alts of the same human being's, why not instead only show the alt of his which currently holds the highest score? That way, instead of the Top 50 being a representation of the top fifty highest scoring alts, it's more likely to be a true representation of the Top 50 individual players on PS? If you guys designed the leaderboard this way, this would also make it a lot more guilt-free for people who ladder to rotate between alts. I'm sure I'm not the only person who feels a little guilty gettng 2+ of my names into the Top 500 / 200 / 100 / 50 and thereby crowding out other human beings who are trying to make those benchmarks and feel good about themselves. At the same time, though, I don't see why I should continue to push Suisho's limits before getting Juisho or whichever other alt I might make to catch up with him.
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02-09-2014, 01:20 PM | #1203 |
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I thought it was a pretty good idea, Talon. I asked about it, but was reminded that we have a bunch of users on public IPs. There are plenty of people who use PS! from school or from a library, so that would screw with the rankings of users who ladder from there.
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02-09-2014, 01:44 PM | #1204 |
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I don't see why public IPs matter. If PS is already comfortable blanket banning every single alt attached to a specific IP address when one of those alts misbehaves, as evidenced by all the mutes and bans we see handed out hourly in the lobby, then I don't see why the issue of public IP addresses is being brought up now for the ladder. Like, which of the following would honestly be worse?
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02-09-2014, 05:49 PM | #1205 |
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02-10-2014, 11:03 PM | #1206 |
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02-10-2014, 11:50 PM | #1207 |
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02-11-2014, 12:43 AM | #1208 |
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He's using a Deo-S / Bisharp team, which is pretty popular because Bisharp essentially acts like a psuedo-spin blocker with Defiant. Defog trips Defiant, sweep.
I'm holding comments until I know what kind of set he's running. If he was running Psycho Boost, then yes I am disappointed in you. :P
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02-11-2014, 06:44 AM | #1209 |
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For Deo-S the set is Zen Headbutt/Stealth Rock/Extremespeed/Taunt
It works pretty well, since with Attack fully invested Zen Headbutt can do quite a bit to frailer pokemon. And in the case that they have a prankster mon I immediately switch to Volcarona or Bisharp. I will consider adding another sweeper/helper, though, possibly a water type since Lando-T can give me problems. For Florges, the set is Moonblast/HP Fire/Wish/Toxic. The Wish passing is really helpful, and obviously toxistall is how I go about removing threats. HP Fire is nice to catch Genesect/Scizor/Ferro on the switch, or other steel types for that matter, though if I can corner them Volcarona does a much better job. Moonblast is helpful because it lowers Sp. Atk, and Florges is a special wall. I've considered Aromatherapy a lot, since a burn on any of my pokemon, other than Volcarona and Florges, is really tedious to deal with since they're all physical. |
02-11-2014, 12:59 PM | #1210 |
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02-11-2014, 01:03 PM | #1211 |
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Sigilyph is a wildly underappreciated Pokémon, probably because Xatu is much better known and a more generally effective defensive pivot. I like that the popularization of Cosmic/Stored Power Clefable is bringing Sigilyph to light, though, because I think it's a really fun alternative.
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02-11-2014, 01:14 PM | #1212 |
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Sigilyph is really quite good, though I prefer Calm Mind variants better than the SP/CP variants. Xatu is really, really under appreciated especially on Sun teams.
And its interesting how Xatu is better than Espeon in Ubers. Quite interesting.
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It's a shame we can't see the edit history of Sigilyph's BW article on Smogon, but as you can see right there: Quote:
Now, it's entirely possible that Clefable ran a Cosmic Power / Stored Power set in BW1 and that this is where the idea came from for Sigilyph to run the same set ... but without poring over Smogon's forums (bleh ) or an edit history on their articles (sigh), it's impossible to tell. (Mind, I don't see such a set for Clefable in his BW Smogon article.) But if you're implying that Clefable's popularity in Gen 6 is what has given rise to Sigilyph's moveset, then you're mistaken. EDIT: I decided to look anyway. Found this thread from 2011. It appears to be the Sigilyph analysis thread back when BW1 first came out in North America. By October 2011, with the games having already been out in Japan for the past year and many players already toying around with them on online battle simulators, the most knowledgeable fans appear to have been well aware that Cosmic Power / Stored Power / Roost / Psycho Shift @ Flame Orb was a good set for the guy.
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02-12-2014, 02:52 PM | #1214 |
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My New OU team's Virgin Run
I have literally no idea what I am doing with this team. It's just a bunch of Pokemon I either love(Heatran and Venusaur) or Pokemon I've heard great things about(Bisharp, Conk) and then filler(Kingdra and Scarf Excadrill). No idea what I'm doing.
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I had been enjoying it up until then! ^^;
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02-12-2014, 06:28 PM | #1216 |
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A true Wild West showdown between Arceus-Flying and Aromatisse. (Random Battle; 47 turns, showdown begins on Turn 19)
Spoiler: show
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02-12-2014, 10:18 PM | #1217 |
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02-13-2014, 10:12 AM | #1218 |
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It appears my luck has run out. I made it up to a ranking of 1731 on the RandBats ladder, peaking at #137 or something like that. I dunno, it was definitely in the top 150. Anyway, since then I've lost seven in a row for various reasons, being team matchup, luck, or simply being outplayed by my opponent and I've dropped to 1601. Such is life!
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02-13-2014, 03:02 PM | #1219 | |
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One thing you can do is make a single alt (not a whole bunch, just one) and bounce between that and phoopes whenever you feel that you're starting to press your luck on the account that's currently in the lead. For example, say phoopes is at 1601 right now. Well then: you sign into a different account and do Random Battles there until you get that account to 1602 or higher. Once you've done that, you can resume playing with phoopes. If phoopes dips down (say to 1500 or worse), you can just stay put on it since it's your main account anyway. And if instead phoopes gets to (say) 1750 or higher? Then you can put phoopes on hold once again, bust out the 1602+ account, and try to get it up to 1751. Even if you don't want to make a new alt, I'd say you're probably fine. The new scoring system does not seem to be as punitive as the old one was when it comes to the total number of games played. The old one was kind of mean in that, the more games you played, the less generously it awarded you for wins and the severer its penalties were for losses. You could have one freak loss due to horrible RNGed teams and lose 50 points in one go, and then you could win four matches in a row through skill and perseverance and only gain back a total of 16 points, roughly +4 per game. It was very strict. ^^; And was the #1 reason that people who took laddering seriously would abandon an account the moment it suffered a loss -- any loss -- before they had reached their goal. With the new system, it seems to be the case that you win or lose roughly 20 points no matter how many games you've played. When you're just starting, the winnings can be a bit larger (in the +40 to +50 range), but once you've gotten twenty or so games under your belt, I don't see a significant difference between the awards and penalties there versus the awards and penalties once you've completed several hundred games. Don't despair and best of luck! EDIT: I just had a battle here against someone whose score (going into it) was Elo 1581 and 75 W : 50 L : 0 T. My score coming out of it was Elo 1582 and 48 W : 24 L : 0 T. My Elo was only one point higher than his despite the fact that I have a solid 2:1 win-to-loss ratio whereas his was a solid 1˝:1. It just goes to show you that you shouldn't throw in the towel just because your Elo dips down. Sometimes the Elo score is very strange and will be very high on people who have atrocious W:L ratios (like 1.125 to 1) and other times it'll be very low on people who have knockout scores (like twelve straight wins and zero losses). I think Elo is less elastic than the old scoring system was. The old one would bounce you pretty high once it predicted that you were a highly-skilled player. Consequently, losses would send you hurtling back down. It was like a bungee cord experience. Elo, on the other hand, feels more like hiking a mountain. It's slow, steady going, but the general direction in any given minute is upwards: most slip-ups result in a few lost inches, not feet, certainly not miles.
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02-14-2014, 06:53 AM | #1220 |
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I can never get past 1500 because people keep using haxy Pokémon with weird moves that end up KO most of my Pokemon
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So, I signed on for the first time today, go into my first match, seven or so turns pass before I notice ...
DaisyInary vs. Talon87 (Random Battle) Spoiler: show My second match of the day (Random Battle; 27 turns) Spoiler: show My third match of the day (Random Battle; 18 turns) Spoiler: show Current Random Battle scores for Juisho: Elo 1686, GXE 75, Glicko 1710 ± 38, W 56 L 27 T 0 Current Random Battle scores for Suisho: Elo 1772, GXE 83, Glicko 1805 ± 51, W 42 L 9 T 0 I'm not dissatisfied with Juisho's W:L ratio, but boy if I don't wish it were as awesome as Suisho's. ^^; Still though: I'm happy that Juisho's W:L ratio remains at or above 2:1. I know it won't last forever, but I'm enjoying it while it does. EDIT: Juisho's scores currently: Elo 1743, GXE 76, Glicko 1720 ± 37, W 59 L 27 T 0
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02-15-2014, 12:35 AM | #1223 |
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I thought you were talking about Random Battles until I watched the video. Hey! OU! Nice! That's impressive that you managed to get a score in the 1700s. Very nice W:L ratio!
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02-15-2014, 03:43 PM | #1225 |
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Dammit why u no get haxxed and trolled by random Pokémon in the 1200s
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