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Psycho-Pass
In the near future, it is possible to instantaneously measure a person's mental state, personality, and the probability that a person will commit crimes with a device installed on each citizen's body called the Psycho-Pass. When this probability, measured by the Crime Coefficient index, is too high in some individuals, those individuals are pursued and apprehended—with lethal force, if necessary. This task is performed by a special team of latent criminals called Enforcers, who are supervised by police officers known as Inspectors; the Inspectors ensure that Enforcers perform their duties within the constraints of the law. Enforcers and Inspectors employ special weapons called Dominators which are designed to fire only on those with a higher than normal Crime Coefficient. (Source: Wikipedia) From Production I.G., the studio which brought you Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, and acclaimed writer Urobuchi Gen, primary author of the Fate/Zero novels and primary script writer for the visual novel Saya no Uta, comes this year's best science-fiction anime! |
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Tsunemori Akane (CV: Kanazawa Hana): a rookie Inspector assigned to the Criminal Investigation Division. At the top of her class, she could have gotten a job anywhere in the world; indeed, she qualified for a position at more than nine different government offices and corporations. But she chose to pursue a career with the CID because she noticed that no one else in her class qualified for a position there except her. Feeling the tug of the strings of Fate, Akane turned down the other job offers and went to work for the CID. Akane's face may look a bit morose or gloomy with her pale white skin and drooping eyelids, but she is in fact quite cheerful and pure-hearted by nature, and she enthusiastically gives it her all for each and every case. She comes to greatly respect and admire Kougami Shinya. Frustrated by her own inadequacies as a rookie law enforcement officer, she seeks to better herself and often accompanies Kougami into the thick of things, much to the worry of her senior officer, Ginoza. Kougami Shinya (CV: Seki Tomokazu): one of the four Enforcers in Unit One of the Criminal Investigation Division. Kougami is the alpha dog of the pack: young, strong, clever, and ruthless, Kougami is an exemplary Enforcer who manages to solve many mysteries and apprehend (or eliminate) many criminals with his Dominator. Akane greatly admires his sleuthing prowess and finds herself wanting to be able to perform as well at the job as he does. This earns her many tongue-lashings from Gino -- and occasionally from Kougami himself. (safe to click once you've seen through Episode 08) Spoiler: show Ginoza Nobuchika (CV: Nojima Kenji): a veteran Inspector, Ginoza (or simply Gino for short) is Akane's senpai who offers her guidance as she becomes accustomed to the job of an Inspector. He worries that Kougami is a bad influence on her yet continues to have Akane partner up with him and Masaoka while Gino teams up with Kagari and Kunizuka instead. (safe to click once you've seen through Episode 09) Spoiler: show Masaoka Tomomi (CV: Arimoto Kinryuu): one of the four Enforcers in Unit One of the Criminal Investigation Division. Masaoka is the old man of the group: literally the oldest of the six members in Unit 01, Masaoka is the source of much wisdom and sage advice for Akane, both regarding their work and life in general. He often teams up with Akane and Kougami. His backstory remains unclear. Kagari Shuusei (CV: Ishida Akira): one of the four Enforcers in Unit One of the Criminal Investigation Division. Kagari has been a prisoner of the Sybil System since he was only 5 years old. As such, he doesn't know or care too much about the outside world. However, his skills as an Enforcer are top-notch. The clown of the group, Kagari teasingly flirts with Akane yet finds himself able to spend precious little time with her, dragged off by Gino to team up with him and Kunizuka for most cases. May have a low alcohol tolerance. Kunizuka Yayoi (CV: Itou Shizuku): one of the four Enforcers in Unit One of the Criminal Investigation Division. Not much is known about the silent Kunizuka. She is noted by her peers for her ability to remain calm even when confronted with the most brutal of crimes. She typically teams up with Ginoza and Kagari so her interactions with Akane are fairly limited. Karanomori Shion (CV: Sawashiro Miyuki): an analyst in the Public Safety Bureau's General Analysis Division, Shion is another latent criminal employed by the government. She assists the members of CID Unit 01 in their investigations by analyzing the evidence they send to her. Makishima Shougo (CV: Sakurai Takahiro): the archvillain of the series, he is behind many of the crimes investigated by Unit 01 of the Criminal Investigation Division. (safe to click once you've seen through Episode 08) Spoiler: show (safe to click once you've seen through Episode 11) Spoiler: show Last edited by Talon87; 12-22-2012 at 10:19 AM. |
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Past Posts about Psycho-Pass:
To be updated momentarily. I got excited about posting the thread and kind of jumped the gun after spell-checking the two previous posts. Whoops. ^^; =Episode 01 & Before= lilbluecorsola - hearsay about the series kaisap112 - Episode 01 brief thoughts Talon87 - speculation before seeing the series lilbluecorsola - reply to Talon87 kaisap112 - reply to Talon87 Talon87 - Episode 01 thoughts Morgoth - reply to Talon87 Talon87 - reply to kaisap112, Episode 01 additional thoughts kaisap112 - reply to Talon87 lilbluecorsola - Episode 01 thoughts =Episode 02= lilbluecorsola kaisap112 Talon87 =Episode 03= Talon87 lilbluecorsola =Episode 04= Talon87 Doppleganger (not particular to Episode 04) lilbluecorsola =Episode 05= lilbluecorsola Talon87 Midgeorge =Episode 06= Talon87 lilbluecorsola (reply to Talon87, no Ep06 comments) Talon87 (reply to lilbluecorsola, no Ep06 comments) lilbluecorsola (unlabeled; I think it's for Ep06?) Doppleganger (not particular to Episode 06) =Episode 07= Talon87 (also re-avows promise to make thread ^^; ... and again! ) =Episode 08= ??? =Episode 09= Talon87 (also Episode 10) =Episode 10= Talon87 (also Episode 09) =Episode 11= Talon87 Coulda sworn people talked about Episode 08 (including myself!) and also Episodes 09 and 10 while I sat them out ... but when I searched the forum for posts containing the word Psycho-Pass, the above hits were all I got. If I'm missing a post of yours in which you discuss the episode, let me know and I'll edit it in here. Otherwise ... let's start using this thread to discuss one of the best shows of the Fall 2012 season!
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Gonna pull out the marathon stick later tonight for this. Here's lookin' at you all from the other side!
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Thought I might marathon this myself... just finished episode 1; let's see how far I can get!
In-progress thoughts! I shall keep them brief! Right of the bat I was reminded of lilblue's comment that it reminded her of Cowboy Bebop. There was this fight scene on top of a building and one of the guys actually kind of looked like Spike. The beginning doesn't remind me of Minority Report so much as it does Demolition Man: it portrays an almost-laughable future in which the commoners are given a sugar-coated version of everything much like what we give small children today... from the happy-friendly police barricades to the characters' shock at seeing real weapons or acts of violence in any form. "With technology making our thoughts transparent, why would anyone still try to deceive or hurt others?" If this technology existed in the real world, would it stop these forms of evil? I like to think the answer is no, as evidenced by the entire history of humans who have believed in God, karma, or Santa Claus: even though we know our lives are being judged as good or evil, we still harbor evil from time to time.
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Episode I
This episode was full of silly. Mostly for Psycho-Pass girl since I don't know her name yet. She sucks as a cop. She fit every stereotype of a fish out of water, and her inability to control herself put her in the situation where she shot that one guy. Had she maintained a cool head, that would have been a pretty sweet, spur-of-the-moment decision. Wasn't impressed with the raped girl becoming a latent criminal. Wasn't impressed at the flawed crime coefficient system. Not sure why this system is in place yet, I hope it gets elaborated on like in Minority Report (where crimes were so numerous, you had to nip them in the bud).
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Episode 2!
People have the technology to change clothes instantly! I want to be able to change that fast :< And then somehow she goes to see the enviably well-endowed therapist who is manually pulling on tights. Jobs are determined by aptitude tests. Would be cool to have if the tests were 100% accurate... unlike the ``career path'' tests they give high school students today, which somehow pigeonhole you into something like "Lab assistant - Pharmaceuticals" and "Chef - Pastry" after the most random questions ever. Latent criminals are identified early in life and forced to either live in isolation or join the Enforcers. Starting to remind me more of Babylon 5, in which latent telepaths are identified early in life and forced to either live in isolation or join the Psi Corps.
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Yeah, uh, about the holographic clothes. Is everyone walking around naked, then?
I thought Episode 2 was a lot better than the first, except the ending where Kogami pretty much spoiled the answers to the test for Akane. His pithy speech felt far too...constructed, philosophical, I guess? I understood his survivalist mentality. I didn't understand why he'd be so quick to say "you're a boss I could like" because she shot him. A bit strange.
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Episode 3!
Workers are stressed because they can't access the Net! Some things never change, I guess. =3= Woa, the miserable workers keep their morale up by banding together to pick on one person? Some things REALLY never change! What can I compare the series to this time? Maybe Equilibrium, because everyone is living a bland, logical life dictated by the machine and the people who beat the system are those who act on their emotions and gut feelings.
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The fat office supervisor guy pissed me off. He felt like the reincarnation of Andou. His "not impressed" corpulent expression really begged for me to smash his mouth in.
Akane's not really endearing herself to me aside from her looks...I can tell why the guy from Persona 4 got disillusioned real fast, too. She's too fudging naiive, so much so it pisses me off. Almost screams hipster in how she's addicted to technology. Gaaaah!
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Episode 4!
People still look down on the self-employed as "unemployed"! Also, screenshots! TALKING DIME Spoiler: show REARNAKED TAPOUT Spoiler: show GEORGE ORWELL Spoiler: show The murder sounds like a scene from Dexter: the killer covered the room in plastic sheets, then chopped up the body!
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Spoiler: show [01:50] DarkChromDra: Isn't it kind of weird [01:50] DarkChromDra: That in the future, they have technology that allows them to READ MINDS [01:50] DarkChromDra: But the criminal investigation division is frustrated by rotating IP and proxy servers? [01:50] CEOMorgoth: haha [01:50] CEOMorgoth: just goes to show [01:51] CEOMorgoth: the government will never be able to stop internet anarchists =3=
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... I cannot believe I did not pick up on that pun sooner. That has got to be deliberate. Look up "psychopath" and whaddyou get? サイコパス saikopasu. Good God, Talon. Slow on that uptake!
You guys might want to show the same consideration to others that we have shown to you. "Not clicking that any time soon," you say, and yet it's completely all right for you to blab about theories and thoughts informed by evidence not seen in the first two episodes. ^^;
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Discussion we had during episode 4:
Spoiler: show I was only half joking... funny how close it was to the real story that would be revealed in the very next episode! Anyways, on to episode 5! The old guy doesn't keep up with consumer technology, but uses his brain! Kind of like today where more people are depending on their gadgets to think for them, thereby becoming crippled when they can't have their precious Internet. And as if on cue, the guy asks about some philosopher, and the hipster girl whips out her device to look it up. :V I like the use of alcohol for fire breath! Very impressive trick! This is the second criminal that wasn't affected by the guns because he was on drugs! Looks like "the guns not working" is going to be the go-to plot device? ANDROID PHONE Spoiler: show
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So which one? I think it should be all or nothing!
Episode 6! People use therapeutic or virtual tripping to avoid becoming addicted to drugs or alcohol! But virtual or no, wouldn't that still incur an addiction of some sort? The year is 2112! It was probably explicitly stated earlier on, but I just now noticed! But why are there still iPads? Lots more lesbian innuendo in this episode! Meanwhile the men are confined to sex with holograms, or else they are rapists. You know what this means? In the future, women are all lesbians! Unemployment has gone away and the System dictates what your life will be. Then how did this one guy rack up so much debt? Seems like there is a criminal mastermind who is connected to the previous story arcs! If he's able to influence others to commit crimes on his behalf, but would never commit those same crimes himself, his score will stay innocently low while still getting his plans carried out. And if score is the ONLY means by which arrests are made, he could go uncaught forever. =3= About the episode 3 vs 5 thing: it probably was explained in episode 3 and I wasn't paying close enough attention to realize it... which would explain why it was in my subconscious during episode 4.
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Gen's pulling all the stops with the guro in this anime. It's mad, but it's right up there with Chaos;Head in terms of repulsiveness. There's so many sick people wandering about it's ridiculous.
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Episode 7!
Seems Kogami is still a perfectly capable detective, maybe even one of the best! However, thanks to the System, people in his role are regarded as "brutes", raging berserkers who act on uncontrollable violent impulses and have no capability of intelligence or reasoning. "They aren't humans like us," say the Inspectors. Another criminal is a rapist! I wonder if maybe the machine overlords have outlawed male-female intercourse, which explains why so many criminals are driven to rape, and also all the homosexual innuendo. Holographic clothing isn't just limited to clothing... they can change their appearance, voice, and gender too! If that's the case, any of the main cast could have been someone hiding behind a hologram all along. =3= The criminal mastermind's motives are revealed! He too opposes the flawed Psycho-Pass system, as well as how the machine-like regulation of people's lives has removed all stumuli and emotion. I'm starting to think he might not be totally evil, aside from the fact that his only way to oppose the system is to exploit its flaws. He also says of the schoolgirl-turned-killer: "I hope she finds some meaning beyond revenge." This shows he isn't merely bent on mindless killing. SHIRTS OPTIONAL Spoiler: show ANTERCTIC DOROPS Spoiler: show
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I didn't get the impression bad guy-kun's motive was revealed, necessarily - he expressed a view that might not necessarily be his own. Gen's never had a villain who was philosophical like that before, at least from all the stuff I've read of his.
I didn't like this episode, and I have a bad feeling this trend will continue. Spoiler: show
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Spoiler: show In response to your criticism about the show's "un-methodology," as you put it: Psycho-Pass fares much, much better in regards to your criticism about the detectives figuring out very much with very little than other criminal dramas, particularly American investigative dramas. CSI, NCIS, Criminal Minds, Without a Trace, Cold Case, these are all shows which are much more deserving of your scorn than is Psycho-Pass. Now, does this mean that I'm asking you to let Gen off the hook? That you shouldn't be allowed to criticize this series? No, of course not. So let's talk Psycho-Pass. But I just wanted to bring this up first before we went any further. "If you think Psycho-Pass is bad with this, you must not watch any of CBS's criminal dramas ... " Okay, yeah, Kougami is able to deduce much with very little. This is a fact. If that upsets you, it must upset you only because you feel he deduces too much from too little. Because for every man there is some line in the sand drawn between "I am willing to believe in that portrayal of deductive reasoning" territory versus "I am not willing to believe in that portrayal of deductive reasoning" territory. And for you, apparently, Psycho-Pass crosses that line. Let's discuss why, because for me, it does not. I don't think Kougami is less believable than Sherlock Holmes (Doyle) or Hercule Poirot (Christie): I think he is more believable. He errs more than they do. He requires more information than they do before he can clinch the correct answer. He realizes things too late which, in hindsight to him personally, were so obvious. (See Episode 10. Two counts of this.) While I do sometimes have a suspension of disbelief problem with Hercule Poirot and Sherlock Holmes, I haven't had as much of a problem with Kougami thus far. What about the agency as a whole? Do they catch their man with too little information? Do they connect the dots between A and B unrealistically easily? I don't think they do. But I'm going to wrap this post up here for now because I don't feel like debating more right now. Would rather go look at the episodes to prove my point with citable evidence but too unmotivated to do so right now. Would also prefer to give you an opportunity to reply first.
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Episode 8!
Once again sexual frustration or repression is addressed when analysing a criminal. Seems to be a rampant problem in this machine-like society. Kogami saves the day (almost) with his puro detective work, once again showing his criminal rating to be largely meaningless. The mastermind (Makishima? Maxima?) takes an interest in Kogami. It seems significant that he has never seen Kogami before this, which means that despite his supposed connection to the events three years prior, the two have never interacted.
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