10-15-2010, 04:34 PM | #51 |
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LOL. I just mean this:
I feel like the staff members who pushed for the patch's release on October 11, 2010: (a) knew full well that the project was still in beta, but (b) were frustrated with the lack of QC and editing needed to produce the alpha, and so (c) announced the alpha, which (d) got folks like us here at UPN excited to start playing, which (e) netted the staff a whole army of de facto QCers That's all I mean. But you're right: the language of words like "tricked into" is really nasty and not very accurate, either. No one tricked us into anything -- or at least, I can't prove it. It's just my cynical perception. lol As for your bit about playing through with us ... no way! That really surprises me. I guess it makes sense out of why you're active in the Error Reports section alongside me and those one or two anonymous guys, but I figured you were just a really diligent editor who was playing back through for his third or fourth time. And you're definitely not at my pace. lol I'm a slowpoke. You're probably closer to our BBB (big bad birtha), who's already well into Satoru's path from the looks of things. I've only just reached Kokoro's Day 7. As for the raison d'ętre of wiki projects ... you're right. But ... Well, to me, never having been part of a wiki family, I always feel like wikis are run by staff members. What I mean by that is, regular members whose edits take major priority over those of other users. That is to say, while wikis are in theory purely democratic, in practice they are far more akin to a government where prominence consigns rank. The more you partake in the community, the more your opinions matter. We try to avoid this in our forum here. When BBB first showed up, we started chatting with him like he was one of us. And the same's true for lilbluecorsola, who's only just joined us as a regular in the last several months. I don't get the same vibe from Wikis. Ever. I always feel as though seniority counts for 90% of whether your edit will stay put or not on a Wiki. 99.9% if it's Wikipedia. So ... that's all I meant by that dichotomy between so-called "staff" and "non-staff." I see myself as non-staff. Please! ^_^ Post about your playthrough here with us if you would like to! You can also invite as many of your teammates as you'd like to! Perhaps they're already discussing the game on bigger sites like AnimeSuki (I saw that they had a thread for the game courtesy of a Google search), but if you'd like to chat with the four of us, we'd more than welcome it. And if any of you have played Ever17, I'm sure that Doppleganger would be only too happy to hear your thoughts on that game.
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10-15-2010, 05:18 PM | #52 |
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More than half of the "staff" were long inactive since May or June 2009 (except the_paper). After the translation of Kokoro's route, the project was stalled and was nearly abandoned. No translators, no editors. That's one of the downsides of a wiki TL project—people just come and go. I just came in and translated a few TIPS because I was really eager to play R11 (I loved Ever17). Now Never7 needs a lot of help, so don't hesitate to contribute to that project.
R11's pacing is so good (so far). Even though the game was spoiled for me because of the work on the project, I'm still in awe of what's happening. lol I like how this game uses the perspectives of two people from two different educational backgrounds. One is from the "soft sciences" (social sciences, and psychology to some extent) and the other one's from the natural sciences. |
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And so yeah: as you can probably tell from our thread, we're a spoiler-sensitive group. So I can't really say that I envy the thought of having the game ruined for me. That's the dilemma. ^^; If I could somehow be entrusted to translate only things like TIPS or meaningless dialogue, and never things like pivotal dialogue, then it'd be a breeze for me. But no one's ever going to cut my steak into bite-sized pieces and feed them to me like I'm a 4-year old child. And I don't ask them to either. I just figure, "I'll let those who don't mind taking one for the team take the hit, and I'll patiently wait for the release." Or, in the meantime, gradually try and work my way up to no longer needing English releases. ^^; [/selfish] Quote:
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10-15-2010, 05:39 PM | #54 |
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God damnit! I'm so freaking close to the end, and it ends up as a bad end. I need to retrace my steps and see what I did wrong.
Anyway, some interesting shit's going down. EDIT: Gaaahhhhh! This game's pulling some Clannad shit on me. I retraced almost all of my freaking steps and I'm still getting the same bad end! Haah, I guess I have no choice but to auto-skip through the whole thing and find a walkthrough. Last edited by big bad birtha; 10-15-2010 at 06:50 PM. |
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BTW, I reached the good ending after a couple of bad ones, and now I'm confused. Edit: Wow. Yuni is Ryoma Echizen. I mean, the seiyuu of Ryoma Echizen is Yuni's. Last edited by cloudscream; 10-15-2010 at 07:58 PM. |
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Talon87: Lack of communication is one of the biggest problem in R11 project. Only three of the staffs (other than me) appear irregularly at IRC. I only report regularly with one editor in my playthrough, and said editor's judgment can still conflict with other staff who is doing reediting and major find-and-replace even after my QC pass.
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10-15-2010, 11:16 PM | #58 | |
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Whoops! That was a webpage I linked to elsewhere to ask for Japanese help on Iga's "hidden in" village, a la Naruto's Konohagakure - The Village Hidden In The Leaf.
This is the proper Talon post. It won't be by tonight's end! I vow to at least catch up with Corsola, if not get close to Talon's point. Quote:
AP's was based on ability. Someone would apply/be nominated, we'd reveal writing samples, and discuss how the editor would impact the current staff chemistry. I.e., we'd not accept people who were disruptive or argumentative. All discussions took place in the forums, not IRC or talk pages (though we had those as options) because forums blend both a recurring record and time/responsiveness. It was very effective organization. We never got into reversion wars because of this, each editor was more or less at the same level of maturity and was conscious enough of the problems caused by completely open wiki projects. The only reason AP's wiki sucks right now is because 1) Jonas picked a unique wiki protocol, making the appeal of wikis - the convenience of organization - null, since we had to learn the syntax language and organize as we wrote and 2) People lost interest in One Piece. The latter was inevitable as we aged, but we accomplished little when we still had the fire because of 1). And to this day, very few people of quality caliber are around to join the cause, OP's fandom is an internet chemostat, perpetuating a young fanbase from the age of 12-18 and never giving us the college level maturity/writing staff we need to wrestle control back from wikia.
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I give up. After playing through the Satoru route 4 times under the walkthrough's instructions, I still keep getting a bad end. Fuck it, someone else can go through the pain in the ass of figuring it out.
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10-16-2010, 12:41 AM | #60 |
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BBB, an invisible power is preventing you from finishing, wanting us to catch up to you!
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10-16-2010, 12:49 AM | #61 |
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Which Satoru bad ends did you get?
Spoiler: show Why it can be frustrating. Spoiler: show Unlike Ever17 that spoonfed you in the end, Remember11 tend to cause butthurt amongst Infinity fans and for a reason. But once you start to compare fan theories with yours, a lot of things becomes fit/logical and that's why it's brilliant. I can give some lead/links, but that might not be fun. Last edited by Raide; 10-16-2010 at 01:19 AM. |
10-16-2010, 05:20 AM | #64 |
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WHAT? I GOT A BAD ENDING?
What the heck! I can't believe that! Was it that freaking medicine option?! OK...something about my game-play philosophy. I try to play as if I were in the protagonist's shoes, as the protagonist. So I played how I as Kokoro would have acted. I feel ridiculously awful I somehow lead to Satoru's death. Holy guacamole.
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I'm at 51%, 15 hours played. ^^ Got three bad Kokoro endings. On Satoru's chapter Day 2.
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10-16-2010, 10:11 AM | #67 |
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Well, you've lapped me. I didn't get to play at all last night. Still on Kokoro Day 7. Looking increasingly likely that I'll be the last one to finish ... again.
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Here's Creepy Yuni, if anyone else wants a copy. Pardon the language, I uploaded it without realizing I might want to change the name first :
Okay. So. I just beat the game on Kokoro's Path. Holy shit. (Safe once you've completed Kokoro's path.) Spoiler: show
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Just reached the "bad" real end of Satoru's chapter. I read BBB's spoiler on the good ending, and now I'm starting to piece some things together...
(Satoru's end spoiler) Spoiler: show Will backtrack and aim for the good ending now, so I can witess this for myself. Edit- Reached the good end. Too tired to think much more tonight, so I'll start off with this question that's been bugging me for some time: Spoiler: show
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I just started Kokoro Day 2...
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Okay, let me try to organize my thoughts by posing these questions... (Satoru's End Spoiler)
Spoiler: show On a random note, I can't get the second humorous "bathroom scene" to appear in Kokoro's chapter. Gah, I know I'm missing a scene from the "Hold it in" option... Plus I want to see what happens. =<
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There are some tidbits which appear to be non-unlockable due to things like typos in ID tags and whatnot. For example:
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That stated ... are you sure there's an alternate scene? 'Cause in a lot of games like Remember11, the player is often presented with choices which have as few as one screen's worth of textual difference before returning to the common path. I didn't choose to hold it in, so I don't know what Kokoro says, but if you were expecting her to wet her pants or something, I'd say "think again." It's possible that she just resolves to hold it in and then the game continues onward (starting from the point just beyond the bathroom scene). ================================================== = I'm surprised at you two! You've both beaten the game and yet there's next to no discussion going on! Or so I'd like to say: but it looks like you two have finally started passing notes between yourselves. So that's good to see. I look forward to joining in on the fun in the next week or so. I'm currently on Satoru Day 2. I just got away from the bathtub, decided to do a Quick Save, typed up my newest batch of Caught Typos & Grammar Errors, and submitted them to the TLWiki after cross-checking to make sure there were no duplicates. (Indeed, it looks like more and more people are spotting and reporting errors now! I have genuine competition! ) ================================================== == Question for the TLWiki Staff: When are you guys considering releasing the next patch? I hope it will be soon. I fear that if it is not, then players will be re-inventing the wheel in the Error Reports section.
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