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Old 05-02-2019, 11:37 PM   #276
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The whole point of putting the stones back was because didn't want to change the past because it would create a contradictory timeline. The Ancient One states this as the reason for not giving up the Time Stone initially. Losing Thanos contradicts everything from like Guardians of the Galaxy and everything after. The Guardians wouldn't form up as a team. Ronin wouldn't have attacked Zandar. Ego wouldn't find Peter. The whole Infinity War film.

I don't know the proper repercussions of destroying a stone, but considering they destroyed the Mind Stone and like, no minds were destroyed followed by Thanos destroying all the stones in this film, I'm pretty sure it wasn't necessary for universal survival.


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This is why I credit the film for being a strong character film. The surrounding scenario just allows our characters to explore themselves rather than something I'm taking seriously. There's a whole scene in the film itself where it acknowledges that time travel is messy and we shouldn't bring any prior film bias (i.e. Back to the Future or Bill & Ted) into this film and not take it too seriously.

The bigger issues is Thanos in Infinity War with 4/6 stones has a hard fight against the Guardians, Dr. Strange, Spidey, and Iron-Man, but in this film, he completely outmatches Thor (albeit out of shape but with two Asgardian weapons), Captain America, and Iron-Man at the same time. It felt more like a gratuitous action scene, which I feel like the film also kind of mocks earlier (Hulk mentions he finds the need for him to smash stuff to be gratuitous).

Another issue was that Thanos had use the power of Dwarves' neutron star to forge the gauntlet, but now Iron-Man just makes one out of Iron-Man nanites. This overall was kind of lame for me since in the comics, the Gauntlet is just Thanos' glove. It wasn't special. He just socketed his normal glove and it became the iconic Infinity Gauntlet. They make a big deal about it in Infinity War, but it's pretty insignificant in this film.


The sheer fact that this film has a space energy woman, giant green strong man, and a size changing thief work together to fight a purple scrotum man, I'm pretty sure we all turned off parts of our brain already.
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Old 05-02-2019, 11:50 PM   #277
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Another issue was that Thanos had use the power of Dwarves' neutron star to forge the gauntlet, but now Iron-Man just makes one out of Iron-Man nanites. This overall was kind of lame for me since in the comics, the Gauntlet is just Thanos' glove. It wasn't special. He just socketed his normal glove and it became the iconic Infinity Gauntlet. They make a big deal about it in Infinity War, but it's pretty insignificant in this film.
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2014 Thanos was Thanos in his prime. By 2018, he's old and tired, and can't be arsed anymore.

If there's anything more annoying than that, I would direct your ire toward Stormbringer overcoming the Infinity Gauntlet + 5 stones during Infinity War. The whole bit that "Thanos didn't know what it was!" is incredibly stupid. I would have preferred that Groot's arm added a synergistic power to the Strombringer than nobody could have predicted, since that's actually plausible, while Thanos choking is not.
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Old 05-03-2019, 12:56 PM   #278
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This is Marvel comic knowledge, but Stormbreaker and Mjolnir are made of Uru, which is immune to energy projections, which is why Thanos' attempt to stop the axe with an energy blast from the Infinity Gauntlet (six stones btw) doesn't work. He's caught by surprise and takes the axe to his chest. I know this is outside knowledge from the film and I normally am against that, but I also concede that there's no way a movie can explain everything in the runtime. We never get the full explanation of Cap's vibranium shield abilities, we don't get the full rundown on how each iteration of the Iron Man suits work, we don't know how the Infinity Stones work either, we simply know they're powerful. These aren't really demerits and we discover their abilities by watching the film itself.

Arguing that four years has taken Thanos out of his prime is ridiculous. Why did he waste his prime years not getting the stones then? He didn't eat ice cream and drink beer for four years. We see he's still strong without using the stones' power when he defeats the Hulk in Infinity War, but now with Tony Stark with probably the same firepower that forced Thanos to bring a moon down on him in the last film, can't defeat a stone-less Thanos? And he's backed up by a dual Uru weapon Thor and even Captain America and he just spanks them?
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Old 05-05-2019, 03:30 PM   #279
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The whole point of putting the stones back was because didn't want to change the past because it would create a contradictory timeline. The Ancient One states this as the reason for not giving up the Time Stone initially. Losing Thanos contradicts everything from like Guardians of the Galaxy and everything after. The Guardians wouldn't form up as a team. Ronin wouldn't have attacked Zandar. Ego wouldn't find Peter. The whole Infinity War film.

I don't know the proper repercussions of destroying a stone, but considering they destroyed the Mind Stone and like, no minds were destroyed followed by Thanos destroying all the stones in this film, I'm pretty sure it wasn't necessary for universal survival.
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"The Infinity stones create what you experience as the flow of time. Remove one stone and that flow splits. Now, this may benefit your reality but my new one, not so much. In this new branched reality, without our chief weapon against the forces of darkness, our world will be over run. Millions will suffer. So, tell me Doctor, can your science prevent all that?"

Okay this interpretation makes a little more sense - it's not that the past was changed, because it would just create a new timeline with no Time Stone. It's that without the Time Stone, Dormammu would bring about an apocalypse-level event and bring the Dark Dimension online and doom everyone. The Sorcerer Supreme prevents that from happening with the use of magic arts and the Time Stone. The Time Stone's return is not important to the alpha timeline, it's important to the alternate reality that was created by the removal of the timeline.

Thanos getting snapped along with his army creates a timeline where there is no Thanos. This timeline could be doomed, but I doubt it (it's really not like Thanos represents a defense against some threat. While he's "altruistic" in his motives, it's made pretty clear that he's dangerous and cruel, dead set on the slaughtering of half of all living things with no other possible use for the stones in his mind - seriously, could he not just double the resources for everyone?? He has so much power to build, and all he does with it is destroy).

As a result, the only illogical development was Cap going into the parallel reality, putting back the stones, and then entering an alternate reality where he lives the rest of his life with his beau, but somehow rejoins the alpha timeline to give the shield to the Falcon? Why was he there? In the Endgame timeline, Cap never returned from his mission and never lived out his life with Carter.
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Old 05-05-2019, 04:22 PM   #280
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Doubling the resources is worthless. Thomas Malthus created a model for population growth, and population increases exponentially while resources are linear. There's also entropic concerns when simply creating matter out of nothing, which is going to raise the energy level of the universe.

Having not watched the movie, I don't know if Thanos simply killed half of all life or if he killed half of all sentient life. The latter is like pissing in the ocean: the species will rebound in a matter of generations. The former could be more dire since it means he kills livestock and harvests, meaning there's a higher likelihood of keystone extinctions and localized apocalypses.

My take on the whole snap has been "Thanos might not have been right, but he's less wrong than the people criticizing him".
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Old 05-06-2019, 10:02 AM   #281
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The new Spider-Man: Far from Home trailer came out. It's looking good. Huge Avengers: Endgame spoilers though.

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There's a moment that perfectly described Spider-man in almost all his versions, but probably best applies to the comic and Tom Holland version.

Peter: "Why do you want me? Your friendly neighborhood Spider-man?
Nick Fury: "Bitch please! You've been in space!"

Spidey always feels like he's a small time local hero even though he has defeat many high powered villains and stopped many world ending events. Spidey has even briefly hosted the Enigma Force which is second only to the Infinity Gems.
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Old 05-06-2019, 11:21 AM   #282
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Infinity Gems are inferior to the Heart of the Universe!
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Old 05-06-2019, 11:34 AM   #283
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And Heart of the Universe isn't comic canon.
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Old 05-06-2019, 01:42 PM   #284
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Canon in comics means about as much as a Latin American government - it's torn down and reset every few years after a change in power. What matters is that Jim Starlin wrote it and it exists - two qualities that mean it isn't easily dismissed by what an editor says.
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Then that means because I wrote a fanfiction with Jackie Chan as the greatest superhero, no one can dispute it because I wrote it.

EDIT: Using actual comics as an example, we've had the Punisher, Deadpool, and Wolverine destroy their era of the Marvel Universe. Yes, those three have separately killed all the heroes and characters, not all 'on screen.' That doesn't meant that in realistic terms, they could actually destroy the Marvel Universe and all their heroes. Especially since Punisher is just a regular human with military training and guns, Deadpool only has super regeneration and guns, and Wolverine has super regeneration and indestructible bones and claws. None of these are epic tier characters capable of stop heroes of power levels like Silver Surfer or the Sentry or Thor. Canon is necessary to keeps things at a proper power level.
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