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Old 10-29-2015, 08:21 PM   #1
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I just found out about this. October 29: one day after it launched. Crazy low odds I didn't find out sooner and you all already knew about it? Or hush hush program that Google wanted to push through before the public could react? You tell me.

First off, $10/mo is not something any YouTube user is going to be happy to pay. Not when we've enjoyed YouTube free of charge for ten years. This means either YouTube Red fails / stays tiny or else Google drains the life out of YouTube in efforts to force us onto YouTube Red. One's dumb but doesn't affect me. The other's worse. Would you pay $10/mo for YouTube? Or would you kiss YouTube good-bye?

Second, I don't like the idea of downgrading YouTube into the equivalent of a free-to-play mobile app where you deliberately withhold features from users unless they purchase the pay version of the app. The app playing while the phone's screen is off and the app playing while you're in another app are two features people have been requesting of the YouTube app development team for years. That they've finally implemented them but hidden them behind a pay wall -- not just any pay wall, either! a monthly subscription! -- sits poorly with me.

Third, I don't like the idea of taking most/all of the music and music-related content off of YouTube. My thoughts on this one get too long so I'll stop here.

What are your thoughts? Yay or nay to YouTube Red?
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Old 10-29-2015, 08:46 PM   #2
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Is this... for porn?
You sure would think so with such a name, but no. Google's marketing think tank just sucks.
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Old 10-29-2015, 09:51 PM   #4
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So what I gather from this is "pay $10/mo to remove ads and be able to download videos for offline viewing."

Google, this isn't going to work. People who play mobile games are used to paying a buck or two at most to remove ads for good. Also, YouTube to MP3 is a pretty big thing for both iOS and Android. Sure, Android can do it directly on the device while iOS requires you to do it in the desktop and put it in iTunes, but the offline viewing feature of Red is made worthless for every music video on YouTube (except maybe superextended-but we have Repeat Song for that).

So! $10/mo to remove ads when most mobile games usually only require a onetime deposition of a buck, or possibly two, and for offline viewing capabilities, which is worthless for the cast supply of music videos out there? That's way too high. Takin said it-no one' going to want to pay that. If it were a onetime deal, maybe, but not a subscription. And they KNOW it's a bad idea-why do you think it's gone under the radar like this?
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I'm for offline viewing, but I don't understand why it doesn't happen anymore anyway.

Back in the old days, of Newgrounds in 2002-ish, I used to download .swfs from Newgrounds directly, and it was stored in my local cache. If I was disconnected from dial-up, I could still watch the .swf on my computer until it was cleared from the cache. These days, if I'm not connected to the internet, YouTube streams crash.

This isn't as big a deal on my own PC because I can torrent, and I'm always plugged in. But on Android, my plan is cheap enough that streaming one song over and over will kill my monthly bandwidth. And unfortunately, while AT&T's dial-up speeds after slowing down my connection are better than nothing, and barely adequate to stream something like MLB Media, I'd rather just download important .swfs to begin with.

I can see where Myles is coming from though, in that downloading the .swfs will just eat up less disposable memory on a phone than the bandwidth. But I have 40 GB or so of memory and am not even coming close to the max - not a big deal for me at all.

@Talon: Unfortunately, I think that YouTube Red, like many other for-pay services, will eventually win out given the ever-expanding userbase of YouTube. Kids and parents will pay for the service once they forget what it felt like to use the free service. I'm sure there are people here who forget that YouSendIt once allowed sending files of up to 1 GB, and MegaUpload being able to get anything illegal.

The issue isn't the willingness to pay, but rather than Google is insulating artists from their audience. What will basically happen is, you become a star on YouTube, then you either sign a deal with Google or you're shut off from that success. Literally a "hellban". It seems like kinship to the idea of someone paying a Japanese company for the rights to an anime/visual novel/manga, then simply appropriating a fan translation. You build up your own brand and then Google simply appropriates you, leaving you with the illusion of free choice.

I think that, more than the payment thing, will cause problems for artists. Because it's already tough to find people in the vast wilderness of YouTube. It's hard enough to find them while YouTube is free. But someone I could really enjoy following goes his entire YouTube celeb life without me knowing, because before I can find out or enjoy his videos he's heck-banned.

Ultimately, remember than YouTube remains un-profitable after ten years. It's never been in the black for Google and has always been a cost-sink. They've been un-able to harness the eyeballs on the site into any kind of revenue stream. Rumour has it that if Red flops, Google will shop for a YouTube buyer and switch back to GoogleVideo. With GoogleVideo, they might not have YouTube's traffic but it'll be easier to post positive profit margins when you're not paying out the rear for so much bandwidth and payments to content providers split off ad revenue.
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