Iwata asks: HeartGold / SoulSilver (laughs)

[Lindz]

http://www.nintendo.co.uk/NOE/en_GB/...288_16289.html

Interesting stuffs as usual! Never knew they were working on the original games for 6 years, the reason for Mews inclusions, Iwata being a code porting genius and so on!

[ZoraJolteon]

>Ishihara: We were very greedy with the features we put in.

You weren't greedy enough to keep the bedroom in, WERE YOU, BITCH!?

[Lady Kuno]

I like how they conviently gloss over the entiretly of fail that was RuSa lol.

[Jerichi]

Hey, just because RSE is a pile of graphical fail doesn't mean it was total shit.

[ZoraJolteon]

You think RSE's graphics where fail when DPPt's shittiness exists? Oh Jeri you so crazy.

[Muyotwo]

Originally Posted by Jerichi

Hey, just because RSE is a pile of graphical fail doesn't mean it was total shit.

It was shit. ABL didn't even play it all the way through, it was the worst gen of new Pokemon and it was plainly boring. I've played through the whole thing only two times it was so bad, and the second time was just so I could do battle frontier. It even had the worst rivals of any of the games. Just bad.

[Lady Kuno]

I was thinking today why I didn't like RuSa so here's some general reasons why:

1) Linear
Yeah yeah all Pokemon games are linear as shit. It's not a sandbox game. But if you look back to RBY.. you could actually go around and do what you wanted. Fly/Surf arn't too hard to get, you could easily skip towns and go back later, silph co. needed to be dealt with eventually but you can take your time. GSC had a little bit of it but more obviously after you beat E4. Then you look at RuSa and it's pretty much completely linear (or at least what I remember of it). I want to feel like I'm actually exploring, not just going down a straight line.

2) Terrible maps
Large grass so you can't bike? Check. Half the game being water areas, check. But mostly that second one is what sucks the most. Also, with the above point the whole game is just anti-exploratory. Lots of drop offs everywhere making you have to go a certain way. Then again it was years since I played so maybe I forgot.

3) Terrible Pokemon
They're all pretty bad, let's face it. The starters are bad, the beginning Pokemon are bad, the beginning bugs are bad, etc etc. For this gen I always had the hardest time finding Pokemon I really liked to use when I play. The only real electric you get early on is electrike, fire is torkoal, etc etc. Also around half the Pokemon in RuSa are water types or so. The legends kind of suck too. Etc etc.

4) Missing Pokemon
Years ago this would be number one. It was the biggest reason why I hated RuSa so much. You introduce 250 Pokemon, then make a brand new Pokemon game not featuring most of them. What the shit? And it's like, we still keep zubat and geodude, but no gengar or eevee or chansey etc.


Theres probably more but I forgot.

[Loki]

>The starters are bad[...]

Mudkip says otherwise :p

Aside from that though, it was the suck. Rayquaza's tower with the lame pitfalls was the worlds most annoying dungeon. Find Feebas was the most retarded thing. Only like 4 cells in an ENTIRE RIVER. Tall Grass >.>;

I liked Secret Bases in RuSaEm, but they obviously nerfed it in the newer games. I guess it was too good to let people transfer data and battle their friend's team for massive EXP/EVs/Money was just too good.

[Lady Kuno]

Ok ok. Secret Bases was the only thing in RuSa I really liked. Forgot about that one, that shit was pimp.

[ZoraJolteon]

Areas in which RS is better than DP:
Graphics
Music
New Pokémon (Especially Starters + Legends)
Contests
Secret Bases
New Battle Mechanics
Storyline
Being able to catch a Tropius

Areas in which DP is better than RS
Doing things online
Digging stuff up
Being able to see when an egg is ready to pick up

[Rangeet]

...Is Zora of the same mind as me? RSE was way better than DPpt IMO. Though I'm biased lol.

[Muyotwo]

You left out "You can bring Pokémon from your previous games to your current game" in your list of pros for D/P, Zora. That one initial fact soured me on Ru/Sa so much that I think they were working from too deep a deficit to come out of in the first place. The fact that they produced such miserable abortions of Pokémon like Chimecho, Spinda, Feebas, Nosepass, Gulpin and many more make the absence of vastly superior G/S/C era Pokémon stand out even more.

[Kindrindra]

...Actually, I quite liked Emerald.

[Loki]

Milotic was a good Pokemon in Gen3, but Gen4 gave it a swift kick in the tail due to the physical/special change. It was quite unique that Feebas evolved through use of Beauty. But it was quite annoying for obvious reasons.

But yes, not getting access to GSC Pokemon was a major turn off for like almost everyone. We got RBY Pokemon, but RuSa couldn't let us get GSC? I understand that there were a lot of major changes (i.e. how Shinies are determined, maximum IVs, maximum EVs, etc.), but it was pretty heartbreaking.

[S_M]

I liked RSE mainly because it was my first set of games in the franchise, I didn't play RBY/GSC until afterward. Therefore the whole backward trading thing wasn't really a big deal for me. In general though GSC was my favorite gen, I'm pretty pumped for the remake though I'm a little worried I won't have time to play it.

[Loki]

As long as you don't call RuSa- Pokemon 1, you're good.

[Lindz]

How'd this turn into another RSE debate when like Kuno said it wasn't even mentioned in the interview?? I loved those games very much they just clicked with me. Nostalgia nuts an other peoples hated 'em for their own reasons but w/e thats not really the point of this thread! >_>;

Besides in a few years time when they post an "Iwata Asks: RedRuby & BlueSapphire" the love'll be poured on then!

Which brings to mind one thing:

FrLg - wireless adapter
HgSs - pokéwalker
RrBs - ???

Will all remakes come with some extra fancy gadgets? In the interview it seemed like they really wanted to give good incentive for people ta pick up each set of remakes almost as if they wouldn't have sold as well without 'em?

[Stlbk]

They probably want to give extra incentive for avid fans.
In either case, they want to give us as much as then can when they release something, at least that's what I got from the interview.

I'm not the biggest on the re-releases of games, mainly because it just delays the course for the next generation!

I still think their biggest challenge is Wifi and making it more accessible to get legendaries, etc. I know they'll do free Gamestop giveaways and such but that's such a ripoff when they have the Wifi gifting, stupid promotions...

[Lady Kuno]

Originally Posted by ZoraJolteon

Areas in which RS is better than DP:
Graphics
Music
New Pokémon (Especially Starters + Legends)
Contests
Secret Bases
New Battle Mechanics
Storyline
Being able to catch a Tropius

Areas in which DP is better than RS
Doing things online
Digging stuff up
Being able to see when an egg is ready to pick up

I think DP is a bit better then RS, but not like OMG A MILLION TIMES BETTER. Just doing things online beats pretty much everything you listed. Although the story is meh, the music is so-so (GSC had best music), graphics idc about. RSE starters suck (DP ones do too), and most RSE legends are retarded (also true for DP).

Tropius still sucks though.

[Kindrindra]

How do the legends suck? :/

[Loki]

I personally think almost ALL legends suck. They're all overpowered Psychics and Dragons. Adding more Mew clones in DPPt didn't help.

[ZoraJolteon]

This is an actual transcript from the board meeting in which they designed the DP Legends.

"OK. I have a genius plan! What if we make all of the minor trio the same type?"
"You mean like have a Trio of legendary Bugs to make up for the absence of any Bug legends in the previous three generations?"
"No. They're all Psychic."
"Brilliant!"

PS: CardinalRubySkySapphire will have a Rumble Pack.

[Kindrindra]

I mean in a way pertaining to the pokemon universe- not competitive-wise.

[ZoraJolteon]

You think "HI DISREGARD ALL SCIENCE IM GOD" is good?

[Loki]

ARCEUS IS GOD?!?