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Old 06-02-2016, 03:47 PM   #1526
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I wholly disagree with this. 4/6 required you to think less, as you could simply spam SE attacks and very easily get a KO. It was not at all more skillful. What makes 6/9 skilled, especially with Switch=OK, it the ability to plan ahead and not only pay attention to what you're currently fighting, but also holistically evaluate potential counters two rounds in the future. 4/6 ends too quickly for any true skill to shine through. As it is, fuck ups are punishing enough.
Never said it was skilled, I said it required thought. Thought isn't skill, otherwise I'd probably be amazing at ASB. The point of it was to try and ensure that you weren't SE spammed as much as possible while doing that to them, which was always amusing. Also, it was just generally more fun because anything over a 3v3 didn't drag on for over a month.
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Old 06-02-2016, 04:52 PM   #1527
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Honestly I don't see why 4/6 can't just be something both battlers agree to. Or even confine it to levelers and then remove the w/l tp and kos if you use 4/6.
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Old 06-02-2016, 05:07 PM   #1528
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>people talking about what takes more skill

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This would have much more weight had you not spent the past month avoiding squadding against me
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Honestly I don't see why 4/6 can't just be something both battlers agree to.

It kind of is, by Jeri's ruling. Both just have to agree to use their exhibition slots.
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Disappointed with Skype and looking for an alternative? Look no further than Discord! Alto and I have taken the opportunity to make a server focused around UPN. Featuring text and voice channels about WF, ASB, UPN General, and more. Further channels are to come with interest!

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Disappointed with Skype and looking for an alternative? Look no further than Discord! Alto and I have taken the opportunity to make a server focused around UPN. Featuring text and voice channels about WF, ASB, UPN General, and more. Further channels are to come with interest!

Here's a link to the server for those who are interested. Be sure to chime in with your thoughts.
As interesting as this is, I've never used this before and seem to be struggling to make the link work
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Old 06-02-2016, 07:39 PM   #1532
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>4/6

The game is not balanced to work around 4/6. 4/6 is a really old standard that sprang from a Muyonese Whisper and worked okay when we didn't have solid definitions, but when it is entirely possible to ORKO without even using three moves, it is not good for balance. Pretty much all current moves are written with 6/9 in mind and trying to shoehorn them into 4/6 is not going to work.

ASB already moves way faster than it should and people keep doing things to push the powercreep forward. And on top of that, we have made leveling much, much faster in recent years so people who are complaining about levelers are either impatient, lazy or both.

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ASB has been at its best speed when Pokémon can last about 8 rounds on average. THis is a good and fairly balanced set up because it gives you room for a comeback and makes your opponent work for their win. Recently, we've seen things shift back towards about 6 rounds of longevity for Pokémon, for a variety of reasons, some good some bad (a standard shift to x2/x3, shoddy defensive moves, a more liberal refs discretion policy, a near-universal misunderstanding of exhaustion, liberal type energy rules, general powercreep). 6 rounds isn't a great number but it's not really a balanced number, since you only really have 3 opportunities to get the leg up and by the time you snatch back any momentum back, you're probably about to faint.

We, as a league, should really be working to make it so a neutral match-up lasts 8 rounds, probably more, and so that a plainly advantageous match up is no less than 5. 4/6 does the exact opposite of that. In 4/6, it is entirely possible to put down a Pokémon in 2-3 rounds, even without a type advantage. A neutral match up could feasibly last only about 4 rounds, even. That is very much not good for the game and we should discourage this type of play.

>Switch = OK

We should really encourage this since Switching is a core mechanic built into Pokémon that the games expect you to do.
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Old 06-02-2016, 07:46 PM   #1533
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Pretty much everything Jeri said, although I think both switch formats have good arguments for them.

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I signed up but the link doesn't take me to the group.
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Old 06-02-2016, 07:59 PM   #1536
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Goodra is all but confirmed returning for the Kalos league, find out next episode since it makes a reappearance.

I did a handful of 4/6 when i was a newbie, it is trash. Switch KO and OK both have their merits and are completely different play styles and your squad will more often than not reflect the switch protocol because you obviously want to bring a few switch movers to Switch KO lol
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I'm really starting to feel like I'm becoming like one of those old people who left because the league and its community shifted away from the state they grew to love.

It feels as though everything is becoming more concrete and restrictive as time goes on with fun aspects of league driven down out of fear of imbalance, individual discretion eliminated as a factor in favor of uniformity and perfectly fine albeit situational options being taken away without good reason.

But then maybe I'm just a bitter devil's advocate with an obnoxious sense of humor who has realized to late his nature has alienated him from a community that simply no longer wishes to put up with his bullshit and unpopular and rather aggressively pushed opinions.

I've honestly no idea why I've made this post or why specifically here but such as it is, it is.
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Old 06-02-2016, 08:30 PM   #1538
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Old 06-02-2016, 08:42 PM   #1540
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One does not simply tell Zelphy to order.
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Nor does one simply tell Aposteriori to...um.
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Let's keep it PG for the most part, PG-13 every now and again
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Old 06-02-2016, 11:29 PM   #1543
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We wouldn't want to scare off the chansey icon, after all!

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Old 06-03-2016, 02:54 AM   #1544
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Nor does one simply tell Aposteriori to...um.
You tell him to go ref, seeing as he probably always has something to ref.
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Zelphstion: If you could delete one move from Pokemon in general, what would it be?
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Old 06-03-2016, 02:06 PM   #1547
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Zelphstion: If you could delete one move from Pokemon in general, what would it be?
Competitively? Scald. For ASB? Taunt
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By the same token, Fury Cutter.
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Double Team, for sure. It's given me more than it's fair share of headaches... *Glares in my copy of XD's direction*
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Personally, I'd delete Substitute.
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