01-07-2011, 12:44 AM | #26 |
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Generation 4 games.
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01-07-2011, 01:24 AM | #27 |
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Lingo:
A lot of the terms thrown around -- "sweeper", "stall", "Mixpert", "Specsmence", "SubRoost", "SubPunch" -- you're not going to pick up by playing the games. You're going to pick these up by talking about the games with others and by reading posts or articles or encyclopedia entries written by those who really, really like to play Pokemon a lot. So if it's the lingo that's got you baffled, then I'm not so sure you need to play the games more. More like, you need to care about playing the games more, whether you really end up playing them more or not. But if what you're really getting hung up on are all of the new creature names, all of the new attacks, all of the new held items, and so on, then ... Games: If you consider yourself old school but want to get caught up to speed mechanistically, I'd recommend purchasing one of either Heart Gold or Soul Silver. It'll be a trip down Memory Lane with better graphics, better features, and all the new battle mechanics that were brought forth by Diamond and Pearl in 2006/7. If you're looking for a brand-new adventure, then I'd recommend either: a) purchasing Diamond or Pearl or Platinum, whichever you can find that's cheapest; or b) waiting two more months for the 5th generation games Black and White
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5th Generation it is then. I would hate to learn everything about 4th Gen only to have it all fudged up royal by the new inductees.
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01-07-2011, 11:41 AM | #29 |
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Once you learn Gen4, you will have the basic understanding of everything and Gen5 concepts (which are just fledgling), will be easy to comprehend. Pokemon games don't change that much each generation... (except from Gen2 to Gen3).
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01-07-2011, 08:17 PM | #30 |
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My first 5-0. This time there's commentary, too, so feel free to click the spoiler box and read my comments beneath each turn.
Spoiler: show Not a particularly epic match, but still: it was my first 5-0 and it's not like it was against a team of Igglybuffs and Sandshrews, either.
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01-07-2011, 08:59 PM | #31 |
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I wouldn't be bragging about 5-0ing a dude who sends out Landlos against a Pokemon he knows is packing a STAB priority ice attack. Or is running some bizarre Vaporeon variant that takes nearly 90% from a Staraptor Brave Bird.
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01-07-2011, 09:01 PM | #32 |
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Maybe it was one of those Spec Vaporeon?
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01-15-2011, 09:09 AM | #34 |
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1-12-2011 11:01am - Rangeet PMs Talon
1-12-2011 5:18pm - Talon replies, waits for Rangeet to reply back You had to wait six hours. I've had to wait two and a half days. Next time, before you accuse somebody of not checking their PMs, why don't you check your inbox first? If for some reason you genuinely do not see the reply in your inbox, here it is, screencapped.
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11-03-2011, 09:23 PM | #36 |
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Bump. Kindrindra introduced me to the Pokémon Replay Viewer, a project that's in beta right now which allows you to upload your Pokémon-Online battle logs if you've saved them and to have them converted into a format which others can then watch and enjoy as well.
Here's a Challenge Cup match I just did earlier this evening. Pay attention to the Volbeat and what it's doing. Spoiler-note: the Simipour's SpAtt stat at the end was a whopping 450.
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12-04-2011, 10:20 PM | #37 |
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Nothing beats beating a guy after he arrogantly declares "game set match" because he used the oldest gimmick-trick in the BW book. Well, okay, a lot of things beat it, but this was still pretty fulfilling after such a smack talk-heavy line like that. It didn't help that I didn't know you can't Rapid Spin and die in the process (Iron Barbs) and expect it to work. (WTF. That's retarded.) But I still managed to pull through.
Was experimenting with Golurk. Don't really care for his movepool / it's not what my team needs. Back into the box he goes!
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12-05-2011, 12:51 PM | #38 |
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To be fair, SS Cloyster is hardly a gimmick. But it was pretty pretentious of him to assume he had won! (Though I was also surprised at Starmie surviving- what kind of EVs are you running? Oh, wait, I see- Intimidate. Nicely played.)
What Golurk set were you running? I was a little surprised at how poorly he did, due to one turn which seemed perfect for a set-up. Then again, I was assuming you were running Sub+Focus Punch (I don't really know why I thought that, though). You might want to run a set-up sweeper in his place, as I noticed your team didn't seem to have one- Not that it's necessary or anything. |
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Some of my EV spreads I like to keep a secret ;D, but Starmie is running (no secret, no surprise) the classic 4/252/252 for HP, SpAtt, and Speed. Timid nature. Non-choice item in favor of versatility. (I find that way too many people assume that Starmie is Choice Spec'd and'll send in something which I can just as easily outrace and kill with a different move.) I've run Starmie since '99, and I've run this particular Starmie since 2005. If Psyshock magically did more damage to Blissey than it really does (sigh), I'd totally have that in place of Rapid Spin. I actually did test it out. Was not impressed with the results. (Only took off ~20% of Blissey's health. WTF, I could do the same damage using Surf. O_o It honestly feels like it had to have been a glitch but I guess not. The magic of Defense EV investment and all that. =\) Quote:
I rarely run Sub strategies because I never, ever get them to work properly. On occasion I do in CC, but getting Sub to work in CC is like getting a strike in bowling when the lane has bumper-rails. To use your Golurk example, I feel like this is what would happen with me: Turn 1: Golurk uses Substitute. Milotic uses Scald. Sub breaks. Turns 2+: Vicious cycle, no point in continuing it. To use another example, say (as if by magic) I had set the sub up and the same turn the Milotic had died. Then what would have happened was: Turn 0: He switches in Skarmory to replace the fallen Milotic. Turn 1: What am I going to do? =\ Sure, Skarmory can't really hurt Golurk all that badly, but neither can Golurk hurt Skarmory or prevent him from laying down entry hazards for later. Hammer Arm? Normal damage and non-stabbed. Earthquake? Immune to it. Stone Edge? Normal damage and non-stabbed. Shadow Claw? Resists it. Skarmory's a pretty good counter to Golurk and so, sub or no sub, I'd be forced to retreat anyway. Once again proving that the self-sacrifice of 25% of my own HP was stupid. I see the successful uses of Substitute all the time, but I never find myself in those positions when I'm the one wanting to use Substitute competitively. I play too aggressive of a game and so, I find, do most of my opponents. Setting up substitutes is pointless when all it does is have me slowly kill myself rather than allow the opponent to speedily OHKO me.
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Yeah, I guess Sub wouldn't help that much if you go hard aggro. I'm more of a balanced player myself, so I've found Sub unbelievibly useful. It's unbelievly (CAN'T SPELL ;_;) easy to set up against walls or on switches.
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We could play one another and find out who's strategy's working better for who.
Reading some articles from The Smog's latest issue has depressedly reminded me just how dominated the OU metagame is with rain right now. "You get what you wish for," that's for sure. I always wanted weather to have more respect in competitive play ... but now it's goddamn inescapable. D: You run into it literally one out of every two matches. God damn it.
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Well, thanks to the magical wonders of 16GB of storage, I now have portable PO, so a battle would be possible...
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A Timid Starmie will never do 'good' damage on a Blissey. A Modest Starmie will only be able to race damage with a Choice Specs equipped. To be honest, Starmie's 100 base Special Attack and any lack of pumping has been it's biggest limiting factor.
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Wow. I just had an incredible game of Challenge Cup on P-O. It was a ridiculous game of out-predicting one another and forcing switch after switch after switch. You can watch the video by clicking the link. It might help to have commentary, so I'll provide it step by step. Warning! It'll be long because the match itself was long!
Spoiler: show I dunno. It may be boring to watch a replay of rather than to have seen it in real time? This is why I offered my commentary for you, to help you to see inside my head each step of the way. That way, maybe you can at least partly recreate the extremeness of the Switching Game which showed itself in this match.
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I have to say, Talon, that was an awesome match.
But something I noticed, just a tiny for-future-reference. Quote:
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03-21-2012, 07:26 PM | #46 |
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That was a great match. I should post here sometime with a war story of my own.
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The first eight turns of that match are WHAT THE HELL brow-scrunch inducing. Is the Ninetales user just not well acquainted with Pokemon battles? I can't believe he used Protect eight times in a row ... and I even more so can't believe that it worked successfully for six of them! @_@
Then comes the gimmick ... and rage was had. SPIIIIIIIINDAAAAAAAA. Contrary Spinda using a powerful Fire move in the sun and just getting stronger and stronger and stronger. And then he goes and uses Copycat ... that was just mean. That was him kicking you when you were already down. Sorry to see that you ragequit, but I can't say as I blame you.
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Yeah, I've seen that strategie quite a few times, and I still don't understand why they spam Protect on the Ninetales. I understand that protect can't be called by Assist, but... why use it so much at the beginning? The first makes sense, to scout, but... to PP stall? I mean, I can kinda understand it in that match (Get rid of the fighting move user so Spinda can sweep!), but... In other matches? :/
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Even so, why wouldn't you attack with the Ninetales? Why wouldn't you do something like this?
Turn 1: Protect because you think they're going to Fake you Out. (Turns out he didn't. Psych! ) Turn 2: Do an attack this turn 'cause you would've done one anyway. Dark Pulse? Solarbeam? Even if it's not going to do too much damage, coming off a Ninetales and landing on a defensively-fragile Infernape, it's at least going to do something. Even in the worst case scenario, he's Sashed and you break the sash. Turn 3: Protect. Turn 4: Protect again if you're worried he can 2HKO you. If you suspect he can only 3HKO you, go ahead and do another attack. (Let's roll with this for now.) Turn 5: Assuming you didn't protect last turn, you Protect this turn. Turn 6: Okay, now you definitely have to be greedy and Protect again. At least do something like this. The fact that he spammed Protect eight times in a row is just crazy. Like you mentioned, sure, he's probably trying to make the guy waste all 8 PP of Close Combat, but as we later saw, that Spinda would have been fucked had the guy (quinto) kept his monkey alive because he had Mach Punch on there as well. So like, this strategy just plain didn't seem prudent to me. If you're specifically worried about Fighting types like Conkledurr or Infernape ruining Spinda's fun, then why not give Ninetales Psychic instead of one of her other hallmark moves? Solarbeam's so predictable at this point in the game that you may as well delete that. Psychic would have lent this guy some meaty coverage against quinto's Infernape. It also would have been all-around handy to have since so few teams carry a Psychic-type attack these days and thus it can be a nasty surprise when folks switch in their Terrakions or their Conkledurrs. Oh well. He won.
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