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Old 03-08-2016, 09:56 PM   #1001
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Old 03-08-2016, 09:57 PM   #1002
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We're about halfway through Michigan but Sanders is leading by five points.

If he can keep this, this will be pretty damn big.
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Old 03-08-2016, 10:13 PM   #1003
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We're about halfway through Michigan but Sanders is leading by five points.

If he can keep this, this will be pretty damn big.
And then in comes Detroit which has about 1/5th of the state's precincts and gives her a 20,000 vote boost and puts her at 60% to 38% for the county. Oh and only about half of them have reported.

WTF Detroit.
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Sanders is still winning Michigan as a whole though, so that's still good.

WTF Detroit did Bill come and visit polling centers again
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Old 03-08-2016, 11:08 PM   #1005
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Holy shit that is a very awful system.
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Old 03-08-2016, 11:29 PM   #1006
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Holy shit that is a very awful system.
My aunt and uncle fit Jeri's criteria and have waited 25 years. They're still waiting to be scheduled, they were approved like 10 years ago.

Thus, it helps frame why legal immigrants dislike illegal immigrants most of all. Especially true for the ones who commit crimes or abuse the laws in the US, not the least of which is jus soli.

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And then in comes Detroit which has about 1/5th of the state's precincts and gives her a 20,000 vote boost and puts her at 60% to 38% for the county. Oh and only about half of them have reported.

WTF Detroit.
Basically my feelings toward the Twin Cities, which awarded Minnesota to Marco Rubio of all disgraceful results.
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Old 03-09-2016, 12:26 AM   #1007
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Google search suggests Sanders won Michigan.

It also suggests Sanders still faces an uphill battle. Whenever Hillary wins she wins big but whenever Sanders wins outside of New England he wins tiny. Michigan, for instance, Sanders is only getting 63 of the delegates. Clinton gets the other 52. But Mississippi, Clinton gets 28 delegates to Sanders' 1. Adding the two totals together makes Sanders' performance seem not too bad (91 Clinton vs. 64 Sanders), but a) trailing is trailing, and b) proportionately he can't win if Clinton keeps this pattern up with larger states that allocate her greater numbers of delegates.

Google also indicates that either candidate requires 2,383 delegates to win the nomination. Clinton currently has 1,220 (pledged and super), Sanders has 571 (same), and there are 2,974 delegates still up for grabs. While Sanders could win, he currently trails Clinton considerably. Even if you delete her entire column of pledged superdelegates.

March 15 will be a checkpoint for the Sanders campaign. Four of the five states that day should go to Sanders based on the assumption that Sanders does well in the North. If Sanders loses Ohio or Illinois, it will not look good for his chances. If he loses more than two states of the five that vote that day, I would say it's over.
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Old 03-09-2016, 12:58 AM   #1008
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So sayeth Nate the Great:

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In the famous New Hampshire upset in '08, Clinton trailed Obama by 8 points. Big upset. But today, Sanders trailed Clinton by *21* and won.

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Old 03-09-2016, 01:40 AM   #1009
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Yeah Sanders was not expected to take Michigan at all. He didn't end up taking Detroit, but we won pretty much everywhere else important, including Flint iirc
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Old 03-09-2016, 02:21 AM   #1010
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http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...ichigan-means/

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Both the FiveThirtyEight polls-plus and polls-only forecast gave Clinton a greater than 99 percent chance of winning. That’s because polling averages for primaries, while inexact, are usually not 25 percentage points off. Indeed, my colleague Nate Silver went back and found that only one primary, the 1984 Democratic primary in New Hampshire, was even on the same scale as this upset. In that contest, the polling average had Walter Mondale beating Gary Hart by 17 percentage points, but it was Hart who won by a hair over 9 percentage points.
Tonight was historic, I can't believe it! Bernie not only won by +2% when all the polls had him -20%, it was the biggest primary upset in the history of American politics!

Time for me to double down. I can't vote for Bernie in the Kentucky primary this year since I'm registered Independent, but that's not going to stop me from taking to the streets of Cincinnati and canvassing. If I can't vote, hopefully I can at least be the reason for others to do so.

I'll be honest. I thought Bernie would lose tonight. The polls had me down. People all over the internet have been saying he doesn't have a chance and should just give up (the counter-jerk to the Bernie circlejerk on reddit, mostly, but facebook and twitter as well); People I know in person have said they like Bernie but don't think he has a chance so they're not voting for him; lord, there has just been a lot of shit. And I've felt pretty defeated by it. And while Bernie only won tonight by two points, it's still insane that he even won at all after everything we were told. But his supporters canvassed and phone banked and face-banked the hell out of Michigan and, well... it may have actually had a big impact on him winning.

So tonight, at least, I can go to bed happy and optimistic. With the Ohio primary next Tuesday, this weekend, I've got work to do.
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Old 03-09-2016, 02:34 AM   #1011
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Sanders is still winning Michigan as a whole though, so that's still good.

WTF Detroit did Bill come and visit polling centers again
Detroit is a black city. Black people overwhelmingly favor Hillary. This is also why Bernie almost didn't make the delegate threshold in Mississippi tonight.
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Old 03-09-2016, 02:44 AM   #1012
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Welp, tried making a poll for the debate forum because I thought it would be fun and upon submitting it didn't give me the option to add a poll, even though I had that option checked, so now there is a useless and dead thread in the forum.

fml.

edit: Found out the hard way you can't add a poll to a thread that's closed from the start even though my intention was to make it so it was strictly for the poll, no posting... Updated with a new thread... someone please delete the other one =_=

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Old 03-09-2016, 06:34 PM   #1013
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Anyone watching either of the debates on CNN tonight and tomorrow? What about the Andersoon Cooper interview at 8 ET with Trump?
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Old 03-09-2016, 08:36 PM   #1014
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If you're pro-Bernie you want him to do well on Tuesday. The last of the "southern firewall" gets to vote (MO, NC) also featuring FL, OH, and IL. He needs to minimize losses in the first two states and do well in the rest and start closing the gap even more.
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Old 03-09-2016, 11:02 PM   #1015
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I'm in Illinois and know that basically all the dems in my community are voting Bernie, as are all my teachers bar a single Kasich backer.

However, I live in a suburb and when you get more urban Hillary will probably start doing better. Surprisingly though Chicago doesn't completely dictate who will win here- the rural counties pushed Bruce Rauner in as our governor. *shrug*
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Old 03-10-2016, 08:52 PM   #1016
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Carson endorsing Trump. There's one I didn't see coming. Maybe McSweeney wasn't far off after all....

In other news, I really wish the media would stop fellating Trump 24/7. I'm so tired of seeing him every time I pass by a TV that happens to have the news on.
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Old 03-10-2016, 09:38 PM   #1017
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What if this is all a means to an end: and that end is making Donald Trump shut up forever? Trump brands himself as a winner. But that's kind of difficult to do when you run a highly public campaign for the most publicly recognized office in the entire world ... and then you lose it to someone else. What if this is all one big, elaborate way to set up:
On the next episode of The Apprentice:

Trump: Rachelle? Listen to me. I've been in this business for thirty-some years. I know how to get things done.
Rachelle: Yeah -- like that time you ran for President?
Damonta: Ohhhhhhh snap!

Trump: When people see the name 'Trump', they see a winner.
Gary: Donald, honey, the only thing people see when they see the name 'Trump' is 'guy who ran for President and lost'."

Trump: You'll be staying in the Presidential Suite at my casino in Las Vegas.
Chantelle: Awwwwkwaaaaard!
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Old 03-10-2016, 11:26 PM   #1018
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Carson endorsing Trump. There's one I didn't see coming. Maybe McSweeney wasn't far off after all....
Pretty sure a lot of folks saw this coming.

What they didn't see was Rudy Giuliani endorsing Trump.
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Old 03-11-2016, 06:06 PM   #1019
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Before You Begin: Please remember that this is the Debate Forum. If you do not respond in a respectful, rational, civil manner, you will be violating many of the rules of the Debate Forum, specifically 1 and 3. While I don't expect the educated, intelligent, and friendly UPN community to attack me for opinions I hold and express, it's really not a bad idea to remind you that this is the forum where people talk about the specific ways in which they disagree and not an echo chamber for discussing the many reasons why Bernie Sanders should be President. If you wish to do this, Miscellaneous currently lacks a Sanders-related thread; perhaps you should start one

While I still do feel the Bern, I'm not sure about his ability to clinch the ticket against Hilary. And I think a President Trump would be leagues better than Hilary. I don't want Cruz or Clinton in the Oval Office and for me that leaves Trump and Sanders, and trust me when I say that stumping the Trump is harder said than done.

If Cruz ends up as the Republican nominee, it's over for the Right. Cruz does not have enough momentum to carry an election against the Hilary media machine or the Bernie hype train - he's basically the Good Christian candidate and while that will carry him to the bitter end in primaries, he has only a slightly better chance of winning the general election than Romney did in 2008 - and even then only because the Democrats don't have as great an incumbency advantage this year (they still win points among the electorate for having already been in office during an upswing).

Earlier in this thread, I threw some weight behind Trump as a joke. It was cute to watch you guys respond, wondering if I was serious or if I was just being silly - some of you even joked about me. I read them! They were legitimately hilarious. However, now I assure you it's not a joke - I have changed my mind and now support Trump wholeheartedly.

Trump understands the presidency like no other candidate does. He understands the political process in a way none of the other candidates do. The only candidate who comes close is Hilary, for a variety of reasons:
  • She has experience in high profile political positions
  • She can come to Bill for help handling huge scandals of illegal activity and has done so in the past
  • She is backed by the largest banking corporations in the country, providing nearly unlimited funding for campaigns and cover-ups
  • She is backed by the largest media corporations in the country and has pretty strong influence over public opinion and the amount of information that the public receives
  • She knows how to lie and get away with it - even if it's under oath and therefore a felony

Hilary's a pretty good campaigner and she'll do well in the election. Unfortunately she can't even hold a small candle to Trump's blazing sun of raw personality. He's charismatic as hell and knows how to manage not only his image but the image of companies he manages, in a way that feels natural and organic, as opposed to Marco Roboto or the Clinton that a professional PR team has prepared for the public to enjoy. He brings a lot of life to the election and his campaign strategy is a brutal steamroller that crushed the Republican nomination and will utterly dominate a Clinton campaign (Bernie would do miles better because he doesn't have American blood on his hands and doesn't have nearly as much that Trump could ruthlessly mock him for).

As for the Presidency beyond a campaign, he's shown himself to be fairly capable in selecting people to surround him - as compared to the last few presidents, whose cabinets have been complete farces. And should a secretary make a misstep...

He also shows promise in managing America's place in the world. He has a lot of confidence and charisma and we'd probably go from world policeman to world leader in a heartbeat. Strong-willed and dominant, Trump is well-suited to leveraging America's strengths to ensure that the world stays in line. It's not like we don't have a precedent for this kind of president, either!

To close: The real beauty of a President Trump isn't that he's a tactless, bigoted, idiot, racist lunatic. It's that he isn't. And the more you call him one, the more the Trump hype train continues to roll, and it's gonna roll all the way to the White House baby!
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Old 03-11-2016, 07:13 PM   #1020
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As for the Presidency beyond a campaign, he's shown himself to be fairly capable in selecting people to surround him - as compared to the last few presidents, whose cabinets have been complete farces. And should a secretary make a misstep...

He also shows promise in managing America's place in the world. He has a lot of confidence and charisma and we'd probably go from world policeman to world leader in a heartbeat. Strong-willed and dominant, Trump is well-suited to leveraging America's strengths to ensure that the world stays in line. It's not like we don't have a precedent for this kind of president, either!

To close: The real beauty of a President Trump isn't that he's a tactless, bigoted, idiot, racist lunatic. It's that he isn't. And the more you call him one, the more the Trump hype train continues to roll, and it's gonna roll all the way to the White House baby!
I won't wade into the trouble of disagreeing your position on your first points, because I don't have the knowledge of the american political system to back myself up and make sure that I'm not talking a load of bollocks.

But what I will argue is that I wholeheartedly believe that Trump would be the worst presidential candidate that could ever grace the oval office. The reason I doubt his capability is because the man has had multiple business ventures go bankrupt and require bailout, and he's been very deep in debt (eight billion dollars, his daughter has gone on record saying); while he might be an entrepreneur, which is a world that has savage ups and downs, if he fucks up here, one the biggest economic countries in the world goes under. And this is the man who's flip-flopped and u-turned on so many of his own statements and opinions in his campaign for the republican ticket that you could swear the next Trump venture would be a sandal store chain located exclusively in the middle of goddamned roundabouts.

Confidence, charisma and a strong will are good traits for a leader to have, but you need more; you need a thick skin, the ability to accept when you're wrong, an an unbiased view, all of which it has clearly been demonstrated he lacks even a shred of. America's "strengths" and insistence on trying to be the world police have led to countless casualties and, arguably, made their problems even deeper-seated than they ever were - and I don't believe for a second they went to the extent they did in the middle east for any morally sound reasons. No country should be "world leader", but I most definitely would not want America in that place. If Trump would push these angles, there is a problem.

The tactlessness and bigotry of Trump are obvious to anyone that doesn't have their head in the sand, given his countless personal insults to people and - amongst other things - his clear loathing of mexicans, and I'd argue that that's the biggest issue with him as a presidential candidate; he is going to upset someone, or make a unreasonable demand like his stupid wall, and cause a political shitstorm the likes of which will be greater than anything I've ever seen. If you're truly on board his "hype train" because people are calling him out on being a terrible person, I ask that you evaluate your thoughts on the matter very, very carefully.
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Old 03-11-2016, 07:43 PM   #1021
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Before You Begin: Yes I am serious. I have friends in the Skype TO and they are telling me what you are saying. I assure you, not only am I 100% serious, I'm 100% right and Trump would make a better president than any of the other candidates, which is good because he's gonna win. Just try and prove me wrong

[QUOTE=JustAnotherUser;734694]I won't wade into the trouble of disagreeing your position on your first points, because I don't have the knowledge of the american political system to back myself up and make sure that I'm not talking a load of bollocks.

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But what I will argue is that I wholeheartedly believe that Trump would be the worst presidential candidate that could ever grace the oval office. The reason I doubt his capability is because the man has had multiple business ventures go bankrupt and require bailout, and he's been very deep in debt (eight billion dollars, his daughter has gone on record saying); while he might be an entrepreneur, which is a world that has savage ups and downs, if he fucks up here, one the biggest economic countries in the world goes under. And this is the man who's flip-flopped and u-turned on so many of his own statements and opinions in his campaign for the republican ticket that you could swear the next Trump venture would be a sandal store chain located exclusively in the middle of goddamned roundabouts.
The Presidency is not a business, it is a PR position. Trump has always excelled at matters of public opinion. Saying he would make a bad president because he's been bankrupt or in debt before is like saying you don't trust your plumber to fix your toilet properly because his acting career was such a flop.

The President also has very limited influence over the economy, which pretty much acts on its own terms to factors that have nothing to do with the government. The only economy-related thing the government can actively do anything about is the GDP, by spending more. That's the real reason that America spends so much on its military (it's easy to buy loads of weapons and pay a bunch of soldiers and massively inflate your GDP that way), that's why Obama gave out a stimulus package (didn't help the economy in any other way, except for making 7-11 slurpees very popular for a few weeks), and that's why both parties promote further spending. People will speak ill of the national debt, but it's a very manageable monster and it's part of the reason the US has such a thriving economy and such far-reaching influence over the world. Literally any president can revitalize the economy easily; raising taxes and spending (when will Congress finally start spending on education without giving mandates or setting unnecessary benchmarks? All Hell has to do is cool off like 2 degrees i stg) will turn a sad and drooping economy into a happy and thriving economy. Problem is that people don't like paying more in taxes and they don't like when the government spends more money, despite the fact that the country gets better for them.

Hint: Trump doesn't give a fuck about the voters' short-term happiness and will probably push for higher taxes and greater spending right away, unlike Obama who was paralyzed by the desire to make everyone happy Free cookies for everyone! That will fix the economy!

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Confidence, charisma and a strong will are good traits for a leader to have, but you need more; you need a thick skin, the ability to accept when you're wrong, an an unbiased view, all of which it has clearly been demonstrated he lacks even a shred of. America's "strengths" and insistence on trying to be the world police have led to countless casualties and, arguably, made their problems even deeper-seated than they ever were - and I don't believe for a second they went to the extent they did in the middle east for any morally sound reasons. No country should be "world leader", but I most definitely would not want America in that place. If Trump would push these angles, there is a problem.
USA! USA! USA! I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of my P A T R I O T I S M.

You only think Trump doesn't have a thick skin because John Oliver told you so. In reality, Trump thrives off of responding to silly political attacks. Calling him Drumpf upsets him very much and he cried all the way to the bank so please stop.

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The tactlessness and bigotry of Trump are obvious to anyone that doesn't have their head in the sand, given his countless personal insults to people and - amongst other things - his clear loathing of mexicans, and I'd argue that that's the biggest issue with him as a presidential candidate; he is going to upset someone, or make a unreasonable demand like his stupid wall, and cause a political shitstorm the likes of which will be greater than anything I've ever seen.
Provide a single example of racism against any race and I'll totally let you off the hook.

"Build a wall" doesn't count - if Mexico were populated entirely by white people, and shitloads of rapists, murderers, and drug lords were swarming across the borders into America, would you want to build a wall then? Why wouldn't you want to build a wall if they were Hispanic?

Also the CIA keeps trafficking drugs down there and it would be like 10x harder to do that with a heavily supervised wall there. Mexico benefits from this project!

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I love explaining this concept!

The way Trump's voters feel is pretty unprecedented for a voter base. As you all well know, this decade (like the one before it) has been totally dominated by the Internet. We're seeing an expanded voice for young, liberal-affiliated people and a markedly reduced voice for older, conservative-affiliated people. Many of the avenues for conservative communication would be totally alien to you - radio, television, churches, etc. However, unlike the last decade, we're seeing the presence of the Internet everywhere. Viral marketing. Viral videos. Older, conservative people are getting onto social media.

Of course these older people are going to try to express their political views. And then of course the hipper, more liberal people are going to scream them down because MOM YOU JUST DON'T GET IT. The Left gets drunk off of bullying the Right and pretty soon you have a sizeable group of people who really don't like the fact that "racist" and "transphobic" and "homophobic" get tossed around so easily and so much.

Hell, the TO is calling me a "self-hating queer." That is not even a little bit okay! a.) don't call me a queer, that's really offensive b.) I have stated I am not Republican, and voting Republican does not make me Republican, AND even if I was, you don't have to be homophobic to be a Republican, and c.) this is part of the "screaming down" process that silences people who go against progressive ideas.

It's perfectly valid to say that Caitlyn Jenner should be classified as a man. It's rude, but it's valid. Do you know what is even ruder and still valid? Saying that anyone who thinks that Caitlyn Jenner is a man should kill themselves. Are you beginning to understand why some people don't like this?

Surely you all thought it was weird that 4chan is the only internet community who could be called "conservative" (not counting Yahoo because Yahoo is a fucking mess)? The one community where individuals cannot be directly messaged and all posts are given equal weight for reading?

The reason Trump is so damn strong is because, surprisingly enough, people don't like getting yelled at in the name of progress!

In my home state of Virginia, Ken Cuccinelli recently ran against Terry McAuliffe. Ken was a superior candidate in my opinion, with proposed reforms to a number of key areas, none of which I can remember off the top of my head (his site is down so I can't check at the moment). Terry won in a landslide in every key county. Do you know how this was accomplished, and is STILL being accomplished today to keep Cuccinelli from achieving any position of power?

Ken opposes abortion and gay marriage.

Career over. He will never gain any elected position again unless he becomes a Democrat and starts endorsing gay marriage (hi Hilary! Got any advice for Cuccinelli here?). Terry's attack ad campaign, which I actually participated in due to requirements for my government class, boiled down to "Ken hates women's rights and gay rights. Vote for me instead!" Terry has proceeded to do basically nothing as governor and is pretty obviously out of his depth in the position.

So please. Continue to call me a racist for supporting Trump. Continue to call Trump a racist. Continue all of your things. You'll be seeing a President Trump on the podium next January and you'll wonder how he did it even though you said the magic word that kills political careers and makes you get your way whenever you want.
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The reason I doubt his capability is because the man has had multiple business ventures go bankrupt and require bailout, and he's been very deep in debt (eight billion dollars, his daughter has gone on record saying); while he might be an entrepreneur, which is a world that has savage ups and downs, if he fucks up here, one the biggest economic countries in the world goes under. And this is the man who's flip-flopped and u-turned on so many of his own statements and opinions in his campaign for the republican ticket that you could swear the next Trump venture would be a sandal store chain located exclusively in the middle of goddamned roundabouts.
The US federal government can't go bankrupt because it prints its own money. At least, the national debt was turbocharged by Bush, who was the first "CEO President" and a bad one at that - and yet didn't sink the United States.

Trump's major project will be his great wall, which in spite of its massive cost, I would imagine to be less expensive and more domestically positive than what was spent on the middle east wars. The US can pay for the wall, and there will be tangible benefits versus the unclear benefits stemming from invading Iraq.

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Confidence, charisma and a strong will are good traits for a leader to have, but you need more; you need a thick skin, the ability to accept when you're wrong, an an unbiased view, all of which it has clearly been demonstrated he lacks even a shred of. America's "strengths" and insistence on trying to be the world police have led to countless casualties and, arguably, made their problems even deeper-seated than they ever were - and I don't believe for a second they went to the extent they did in the middle east for any morally sound reasons. No country should be "world leader", but I most definitely would not want America in that place. If Trump would push these angles, there is a problem.
You really only need charisma, and the ability to pick advisers who are competent in the job you want them to do. Bill Clinton, for example, was one of the most personally intelligent and capable presidents the US has ever seen - but his level of competence could only go so far, and his choice of cabinet and advisers had mixed results. So the most qualified guy ever had a modestly positive presidency.

Reagan - who Trump consistently tries to channel - was little more than a voice. He was a figurehead for the conservative machine around him, highly susceptible to suggestion from people he trusted, including his wife. Reagan was able to successfully pitch monstrous policies to the American people because he was charismatic, even if there was nothing upstairs that could personally process the things he was doing.

Trump is definitely smarter than Reagan, and I would argue he's far better connected. He knows powerful people in business and politics and has been able to cut deals with people without ideology getting in the way.

Politics might be ideologically bound, but the moneyline is the most important factor for negotiating bi-partisan deals. Capitalists are willing to set aside ideology for money; I don't think anyone in politics or business, save Apple Inc., are willing to say "give me liberty or give me death!". As long as the politicians can successfully sell a result to a voter base, and money is to be made from it, they'll take compromises.

I don't think Hillary can cut deals with Tea Partiers because they won't deal with her. They'll wall her like they've walled Obama. Trump, at least, can deal with people who don't like him.

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The tactlessness and bigotry of Trump are obvious to anyone that doesn't have their head in the sand, given his countless personal insults to people and - amongst other things - his clear loathing of mexicans, and I'd argue that that's the biggest issue with him as a presidential candidate; he is going to upset someone, or make a unreasonable demand like his stupid wall, and cause a political shitstorm the likes of which will be greater than anything I've ever seen. If you're truly on board his "hype train" because people are calling him out on being a terrible person, I ask that you evaluate your thoughts on the matter very, very carefully.
Again, I must point out that attitudes like this is taking his campaign too seriously. Trump's strategists are geniuses, since they correctly identified and geared his campaign toward appealing to the legendary "silent majority", who have answered Trump's calls in the polls.

The "racist" Trump is a character created by his campaign, to appeal to this demographic. As some have said before, it's like if the Stephen Colbert character were actually campaigning, but people are convinced Trump is real. He's obviously not, given his actual voting record. I'll take this time to note that a lot of people falsely believed Stephen Colbert was real, too, especially those who didn't watch his show.

I am almost willing to bet money that, when/if Trump gets the nomination, he will gear further toward the centre and stop saying outlandish things. He'll also look more "presidential" and authoritative a la how he portrayed himself on The Apprentice. Once he beats out his Republican rivals, there's no reason to keep up the racist charade - his base won't abandon him, so it'll be time to expand his appeal.
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Old 03-11-2016, 11:48 PM   #1024
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Shuckle: If you want to have a respectful debate, this is not how you do it. You're coming off as condescending, arrogant, and childish with every one of your posts. If that's how you want to have that debate, believe me you're on, but don't be a hypocritical dick on top of being a dick.
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Ahahahahahahahahahahaha

Anyway, back to things that aren't either trolling or incredibly, disgustingly condescending, I was at a Bernie rally this evening. Was a blast!
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