10-22-2016, 05:59 PM | #4502 |
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Sorry to multipost but this has to be brought to someone's attention: In which my opponent is so bad that a lucky Zen Headbut miss and I just won an Anything Goes match with an unironic PU team what the fuck. (Anything Goes, 24 Turns)
He couldnt even mega Evolve Charizard at the end and dear christ who the fuck runs a mixed Mega Zard??? Engie's perfect victory (Anything Goes, 7 Turns)
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10-26-2016, 12:21 PM | #4503 |
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10-30-2016, 11:46 AM | #4505 |
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http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ra...ttle-466787597
Not sure why this guy forfeited tbh. His Venasaur + Throh combo had me on my toes and he probably could've stalled his way to victory (especially since I had limited uses of FIRE BLAST I was trying to conserve). *shrug*
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11-01-2016, 08:29 PM | #4506 |
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11-01-2016, 10:46 PM | #4507 |
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11-16-2016, 03:43 PM | #4508 |
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11-16-2016, 04:10 PM | #4510 |
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Fairly certain you've committed a crime there.
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11-23-2016, 05:54 PM | #4511 |
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Celesteela carries a terrible situation.
2 things i've noticed in Gen 7 things (I'm currently 2-0 with this shitty team, needs more testing). 1. I like it (gen 7 OU) so far, even if it's kinda ridiculous and some things are gonna get banned without proper tests again. 2. Someone give me a really, really fucking good Celesteela and I'll be your best friend forever. 3. My team is ass, yes I know- but i really love Toucannon when it doesn't get 1 shot. 4. I def fucked up everything with that Zygarde- it shouldn't have killed 1/2 of my team lol. |
11-27-2016, 04:57 PM | #4512 |
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Been trying some VGC 2017. This has been my most interesting win thus far, especially considering I meant to go for Raichu-A over Poli (this team is interesting; still working out some kinks).
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11-27-2016, 09:41 PM | #4513 |
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A very dodgy Leavanny makes this one of the most ass-pulling games I've ever had
Spoiler warning for one sun/moon pokemon, though it doesn't spoil anything storywise and you don't see any moves or abilities since it dies before it gets a chance to do anything xd; |
11-28-2016, 06:25 PM | #4514 |
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My opponent's ggwp is a bit premature because I'm awesome
EDIT: Avoiding the triple post by just adding to this lmao Warning: Spoiler alert for sun/moon legendaries, this time actually does something! More than something actually, it won me the game BD Last edited by DaisyInari; 11-28-2016 at 08:55 PM. |
12-02-2016, 04:56 PM | #4516 |
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The Sand Team makes it first win (Mix and Mega) (Warning: Spoilers for Gen VII Pokemon and Legends)
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12-03-2016, 10:10 PM | #4517 | |
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1) Does this Pokemon serve an important niche? 2) Is this niche done better by another Pokemon who will be included over this Pokemon in the majority of cases? Let's take, for example, Honchkrow. Honchkrow can be a sweeper or a powerful revenge killer, which is an important niche! However, its completely outclassed by Bisharp who has so much over Honchkrow that its not worth running, so it fails question 2. Pyukumuku is an Unaware wall which is meant to be a stop to physical set-up sweepers, which is an important niche. The issue is, compared to other Pokemon such as Clefable or Quagsire, Pyukumuku's flaws become really, really apparent. It's entirely passive. It has no effective way of dealing damage. It's bulk is somewhat lackluster. Since the meta hasn't really shaken out yet (and while there are some Gen VII pokes that do illustrate how lackluster Pyukumuku's bulk is, I don't want to intentionally spoil anyone), I'm going to use ORAS OU as a benchmark. Double Dance Landorus-Therian, while uncommon, was a thing. Now, your point with Pyukumuku is that your set is going to be able to Toxic, then screen on any physical sweeper (or attacker really) because Pyukumuku is super bulky. Alright, let's see if you're right in this case, and in others. Spoiler: show These are just the A-rank physical attackers. This doesn't include many of the B-rank Pokemon that could also feasibly beat Pyukumuku, such as Breloom, Crawdaunt, Gyarados, SubFly Dragonite, Kyurem-B...the list goes on, and doesn't even include many of the special attackers such as the Latis who can abuse Unaware and their powerful stab moves to really beat it down. Pyukumuku's good match-ups are simply really limited because a lot, and I mean a lot, of Pokemon are really well equipped to simply beating through it. Taking 50% on the switch from Garchomp's Earthquake means you can't effectively counter it. Most offensive Pokemon worth their salt will be able to beat Pyukumuku by forcing it to take a ton of damage any time it switches in. This is probably the biggest reason Wobbuffet stopped being good in Gen VI; it simply couldn't trap and kill many top threats because they did so much damage to it. It can't be fit onto any team because its ridiculously passive and has limited switch-in opportunities. At the most, its going to be a niche stall option because its overall bulk is a little better than Quagsire and it has Soak, which is really interesting defensively (on the other hand, Quagsire has Scald and can do damage). But its as I said, niche, and really only if you need to use Clefable for something else entirely. All of this being said, Pyukumuku is legit hilarious in AG for its Z-Purify, Psych Up, Baton Pass set that makes stuff like Geomancy Xerneas a liability to use (thanks Snorby!). So if you want to use Pyukumuku viably, its going to be because of this, not for any other reason.
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Let's be fair to Pyuku first: its strength was touted as Unaware, and a lot of those are Banded. I wouldn't expect Pyukumuku to overperform. I will acknowledge that these sets are common though. Charizard-X doesn't always run Outrage. Dragon Claw sets fail miserably. Knock Off does not even come close to a KO. In fact, Pyuku can easily set up on both Weavile and Bisharp. And it's also important to consider: Yes, these pokemon counter a switch-in pivot Pyuku, but an unswitched Pyukumuku will occasionally be able to set up Reflect, Recover, Toxic, Recover, switch out if necessary or continue to sit there and live through the beating. This is also why Pyuku will be good against setup sweepers; you can use that turn as a free switchin and live. It was definitely wrong to say that he can switch into anyone, but it may also be wrong to say that it can't be fit into any team, or that its switch-in opportunities are limited. Its switch-in options are significantly better than Quagsire's AND Clefable's. If you set the scenario that Pyukumuku is not switching into any of these attackers, suddenly Pyukumuku changes from a lackluster Unaware wall into a serious threat. Many of these physical attackers are doing 50-60% of Pyukumuku's health...it'll take the hit, Reflect, and then your damage looks like this: 252 Atk Life Orb Garchomp Earthquake vs. +2 252 HP / 252+ Def Pyukumuku: 66-78 (21 - 24.8%) -- 90.5% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock If Pyuku has screens up before the attackers arrive, it can't die to them. This is unlikely but not impossible, and may be forced in some situations involving Toxic and a weaker attacker. Let's try a more optimized set and assume Pyuku is switching in. Listing only members of the above that are no longer 2HKOs and bolding those who Pyuku will be able to set Reflect up on. We're also assuming that Special attackers have around the same power as the physical attackers. Spoiler: show Ok so the point mostly still stands so what it's gonna do slightly better than you said. Quote:
252+ Atk Pure Power Medicham-Mega High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 310-366 (78.6 - 92.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery 0 SpA Quagsire Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Medicham-Mega: 70-84 (26.8 - 32.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO 0 Atk Quagsire Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Medicham-Mega: 108-127 (41.3 - 48.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO If you're looking for an Unaware wall, Pyukumuku is bulker than Clefable and Quagsire, and has the advantage of having both physical and special variants. Fact of the matter is that those two don't outdamage good old Toxic nearly enough to consider them more important, not to mention the fact that they cannot heal and damage at the same time which severely limits their effectiveness. Clefable is useful thanks to Magic Guard, which means that it will frustrate status abusers alongside Calm Mind sweepers. It also ignores hail and sand. Quagsire is useful thanks to its typing, which lets it work better in sand and against things that are weak to Water and/or Ground. And it's immune to Electric, though I can't imagine that's gonna be that important in most games. Pyukumuku is useful thanks to screens, and it's more than bulky enough to play with the big boys. It fulfills both of your points well enough to be worth using. Maybe not in the way I was ranting about, but yes. Although I think it's gonna be a beast in UU because most of the attackers you listed just won't be there and you'll see things like: 252+ Atk Machamp Dynamic Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Pyukumuku: 109-129 (34.7 - 41%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock 252+ Atk Machamp Dynamic Punch vs. +2 252 HP / 252+ Def Pyukumuku: 55-66 (17.5 - 21%) -- guaranteed 5HKO after Stealth Rock Confusion is a factor but this will most likely not end well for Machamp. Also, honorable mention for oh god why is this pokemon so sad: 252+ SpA Mega Launcher Blastoise-Mega Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Pyukumuku: 118-139 (37.5 - 44.2%) -- 2% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock 252+ SpA Mega Launcher Blastoise-Mega Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Pyukumuku: 97-115 (30.8 - 36.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock 252+ SpA Mega Launcher Blastoise-Mega Dark Pulse vs. +2 252 HP / 252 SpD Pyukumuku: 49-58 (15.6 - 18.4%) -- possible 5HKO after Stealth Rock ;-; how can something look so cool and never deliver on its promises
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I mean at the same time the Unaware squad aren't exactly paragons of bulk and their typing is weak. At best they are set-up sweeper counters. Pyuku may be good with Unaware, and certainly no worse than Clefable or Quagsire, but that's no guarantee that it'll see use or that it's effective at what it does.
The nice thing about Pyukumuku is that it can set screens, which makes it more of a pivot than other Unaware pokemon. There's no pressure for Pyuku itself to nab kills or even do damage; really all you're doing with the standard set is getting it in, setting up a screen, and switching to something important, now with screens in place. Pyukumuku also has an astonishing variety of sets, ranging from Physical Wall to Special Wall to Dual Screens to Soak to Baton Pass to Rain or Hail. You could even try for Counter or Bide or Pain Split, it's bulky enough not to be completely stupid (i wouldnt consider it viable though). This flexibility could be enough to bump it up a tier even if as Emi says it lacks the bulk and power to succeed against OU threats.
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12-04-2016, 09:23 PM | #4520 |
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I could really use a crit right now... oh.
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12-05-2016, 08:49 AM | #4521 |
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12-05-2016, 01:05 PM | #4522 |
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Ugh minior is SO BAD
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12-06-2016, 03:30 PM | #4523 |
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Hey guys I made an OU team and this was the best battle I had so far, check it out.
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12-09-2016, 04:26 AM | #4524 |
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