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Old 05-27-2014, 02:54 PM   #2201
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From what I understand, its somewhat anti-meta. Great against Rain and kills birds.
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Old 05-27-2014, 03:00 PM   #2202
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If you're looking for a VGC screener, Meowstic-M is one of your best choices. I use a dedicated screener/suicide lead and it's done well for me. Klefki works a lot the same but doesn't have the benefit of Fake Out.
Second VGC battle since changing up the team. (VGC 2014, 10 turns)

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Meowstic (M) @ Light Clay
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Fake Out
- Thunder Wave

Garchomp (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 136 Def / 252 SAtk / 120 SDef
Modest Nature
IVs: 30 Atk / 30 Def
- Earthquake
- Outrage
- Rock Slide
- Protect

Irisviel (Gardevoir) (F) @ Gardevoirite
Ability: Trace
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature
- Dazzling Gleam
- Psyshock
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Calm Mind

Brynhildr (Charizard) (F) @ Charizardite Y
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Solar Beam
- Air Slash
- Heat Wave
- Protect

Rasengan (Talonflame) (M) @ Charti Berry
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- Swords Dance
- Roost

Aegislash @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SDef
Careful Nature
- Swords Dance
- Protect
- Shadow Sneak
- Iron Head

I feel dirty having Garchomp on my team as I've never liked his design and his stupid broken power level back in Gen 4 OU made him an easy target for so much hatred. But I sorely needed an Earthquaker (the last team had none :\) and I saw how popular Garchomp was in the format. Figured, "Why not? :\"

I've played two games since your post and have won both of them handily. I opened the first game with Meowstic and Aegislash. My opponents were Poliwrath and Amoongus. Meowstic used Fake Out on Amoongus (NO SPORE FOR YOU!) and Aegislash took a free turn to Swords Dance up. From there, his team quickly fell apart. Swords Dance + Shadow Sneak can become too good once it gets going and Meowstic was relentless with Thunder Wave and screens support. The second game (linked above) opened with Meowstic and Gardevoir squaring off against his Aerodactyl and Garchomp (though he called Garchomp back immediately for Azumarill). I knew that Rock Slide was likely inbound and thus getting a Reflect up pronto took priority over any paralysis or faking out would. Turned out to very much so be the right decision.

I may delete Light Screen from Meowstic in favor of some sort of damaging attack. As you can see in this match, once he was done setting up screens and once he ran out of eligible candidates for Thunder Wave paralysis, Meowstic was dead weight that I couldn't risk switching out left the incoming Pokémon be the target for new attacks. Psyshock, Hidden Power, something. But for now, I'm comfortable leaving him as a dedicated utilitymon.

Two games in and I'm already above 1100, a personal best for the format. Let's see what a few more games can manage for my score. *crosses fingers*
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Old 05-27-2014, 03:04 PM   #2203
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...why is your Garchomp Modest with 252 Sp.Atk? Was that a C/P mistake?
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Old 05-27-2014, 03:04 PM   #2204
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Oh no I know exactly what you are talking about. I've just never had the difficulty factor. I've always either used Geodude or that Machop you get in HGSS to beat it.
On a Gold file I had my Geodude was just barely holding on, thabk you based Sand Attack, and clinched it with a Magnitude 10 on its last power point. I proceeded to celebrate.

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Old 05-27-2014, 03:16 PM   #2205
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Ugh I just found that I have a gaping weakness to Mega Manectric. Rotom Heat is a good counter to it but as it stands right now I need Rotom Wash to fight fires and Tyrantiars
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Old 05-27-2014, 03:24 PM   #2206
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Oh whoa, Garchomp's stats are wrong. Thanks for catching that. I WAS WONDERING WHY HE WASN'T DOING SHIT! @_@ Those were Blastoise's stats.

Talonflame's nickname is also incorrect. That's Staraptor's. Has been since 2008, 2009.

This is what happens when you edit older creatures' profiles rather than just erasing them and rebuilding from scratch.
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Old 05-27-2014, 10:18 PM   #2207
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>Re: Meowstic

Tell me how that goes if you do replace it. I've been using that exact Meowstic and it's not always easy to suicide it since it's rarely the target of attacks, which leaves me with a next-to-useless Pokémon if my others have been crippled.
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Old 05-27-2014, 10:30 PM   #2208
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This is exactly the problem I've already had with Meowstic. Have experimented by replacing Fake Out (which rarely sees use outside of crippling Mega Kangaskhan on Turn 1) with Toxic. Hasn't helped much. But yeah. The set of Reflect, Light Screen, Fake Out, and Thunder Wave is damned by enemy Electric types and even the most bare bones savvy of savvy players.

Thinking of replacing Garchomp with Rhyperior. I know he was popular at Worlds 2013 and he'd have STAB on Rock Slide, something Garchomp sorely lacks.

Talonflame sucks in my hands yet is God in my enemies' hands. I still don't understand why.

Still stuck in the super low 1100s or worse yet the mid to high 1000s. OTL
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Old 05-27-2014, 10:50 PM   #2209
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>Meowstic

Try replacing Light Screen with Psychic/Psyshock. I know you said you were contemplating doing this, but I'd suggest doing it right now. Having a Pokémon that doesn't have any attacks isn't good (mainly because like you said, switching is risky and Fake Out is a one time use). Reflect is easily the more useful of the screens, as it protects you from Earthquake and Rock Slide (as well as Talonflame and any other physical attacker) while Light Screen protects mainly from Surf, Blizzard, Heat Wave, and lava plume. Ultimately, it's up to you, but I don't see the harm in tryin it out.

>Rhyperior

He's generally used in TR because of his low speed, but go for it if you really want the STAB. I guess he walls Talonflame as well, so that's always nice.
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Old 05-27-2014, 10:57 PM   #2210
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It's often said that the VGC community is a really warm, loving, healthy, awesome place to be.

What a lovely ambassador I happened across. (VGC 2014, 6 turns)

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Didn't turn on the Claim Victory timer until about sixty seconds after he jetted. (He jetted the moment he got in his last "witty repartée." ) Typed in what I typed in the hopes that SmugFace would rage-sign back in just in time to see it. Alas, he did not.

In the horrible person's defense, I did only win that matchup because of good luck. Still no excuse for his terrible sportsmanship though from start to finish.
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Old 05-27-2014, 11:01 PM   #2211
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>PS
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I loled. But yeah, I hate people like that.
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Old 05-27-2014, 11:17 PM   #2212
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I loled. But yeah, I hate people like that.
I didn't say PS. I said VGC. PS is just a tool. One used not only by the Smogon community but by some in the VGC community as well. I would assume that anyone bothering to play VGC 2014 on Smogon's server either a) is already a part of or else b) wants to become a part of the VGC community. If this guy falls under either one of those two categories, it bodes poorly for the legendary status of the VGC community.

Wherein I get decimated by a gimmick strategy only Doubles can offer. (VGC 2014, I forget how many turns :p)

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He has one speedy Pokémon use Disable and the other use Encore. Forces me to Struggle.

He has one Pokémon bear Shadow Tag. Forces me to stay put Struggling.

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Old 05-28-2014, 05:48 AM   #2213
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It's often said that the VGC community is a really warm, loving, healthy, awesome place to be.

What a lovely ambassador I happened across. (VGC 2014, 6 turns)

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Didn't turn on the Claim Victory timer until about sixty seconds after he jetted. (He jetted the moment he got in his last "witty repartée." ) Typed in what I typed in the hopes that SmugFace would rage-sign back in just in time to see it. Alas, he did not.

In the horrible person's defense, I did only win that matchup because of good luck. Still no excuse for his terrible sportsmanship though from start to finish.
Meanwhile I'm missing both opponents with rock slide and Power whip and Leech seed and every time my opponent uses Rock slide he gets a crit double flinch. And there's that one battle I had yesterday where 4 out of 6 turns my Bisharp didn't attack due to parahax. I'm still cool about it though :/

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Wherein I get decimated by a gimmick strategy only Doubles can offer. (VGC 2014, I forget how many turns :p)

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He has one speedy Pokémon use Disable and the other use Encore. Forces me to Struggle.

He has one Pokémon bear Shadow Tag. Forces me to stay put Struggling.

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Old 05-28-2014, 10:23 AM   #2214
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In which my Talonflame against a mostly fire-weak team isn't the MVP xd;
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Old 05-28-2014, 10:44 AM   #2215
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Whoa, you looked like a goner there at 1-3. I'd forgotten just how weakened the others already were and thus you only really needed to out-KO Jynx before Jynx could KO you. Still. :o
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Sand offense is best offense

Kinda fell apart at the end after noticing a huge flaw in my team, but Im really loving sand offense right now.
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>Flame Body Talonflame

Oh man that sucks xd
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Old 05-28-2014, 07:05 PM   #2218
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Replays work now, so why not have a little WIRE MATCH! (LC, 24 turns)

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HOLY CRAP. SO MUCH LUCK HERE. The barely living for a burn on Fletchling, avoiding Head Smash? Fortune indeed favors the bold.
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Old 05-28-2014, 07:14 PM   #2219
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I never knew Heat Wave could miss until it missed the opponent. Both of them. Twice. Hngggggggg
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HOLY CRAP. SO MUCH LUCK HERE. The barely living for a burn on Fletchling, avoiding Head Smash? Fortune indeed favors the bold.
>Sitrus Berry
Why are you not using Berry juice?
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I literally stopped the replay halfway through just to post that.

Berry Juice heals nearly all of your HP and is not vulnerable to Bug Bite/Pluck/Unnerve. It is so much better than Sitrus. You should never use Sitrus.

Also Dig is awful and Piplup is mediocre. If you -really- want a physical Water, you're better off with Buizel, who is only okay, though he's pretty crazy fast. Litwick is also really marginal and is super outclassed by Missy.
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Yeah Buizel really isn't quite good either. Pretty weak, falls to fluxxin priority, but it is fast enough to run CB.
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Wouldn't Corphish be the best choice for a water type? He does have adaptability and I believe Knoch Off is an egg move.
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Why are you not using Berry juice?
For when Thief gets big!
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>implying Berry Juice would still not be better

Also idk the only Water I see with any frequency that's not a Shell Smasher is Chinchou and he's more of a utility/defense pivot than an attacker.
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